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So, I guess I'm going to have to use those work around's that you mentioned. I'm not sure precisely how make a "2-bar clip, replicate it, and make it into a UserTrack" as I've only been a BIAB user for a few weeks but I'm sure I'll work something out with a bit of study.
Thanks again Matt..
I would bring the whole track that has the 2-bar section that you like into your DAW. Then copy that 2-bar section and paste it exactly where you want it in another track or if your DAW allows copy and paste over existing sections then do it that way. In both cases make sure you backup your song prior to trying this. This is exactly how I do it in my DAW Sonar. IMHO it is the fastest way to do this.
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In the original post you mention wanting to know how to do this in BiaB. The short answer is you can't, at least not how you describe.
As mentioned by others; try Realband. Generate your basic structure in BiaB, then open the same file in Realband (you probably have it included if you have a version from the last 12 years).
Then you can copy/paste what ever sections you want to another track easily (to save them and use them when you want). As an IT guy you may even like it's flow better. I do.
You can whittle down and generate just sections of any track(s) you want to. You can choose to leave the blue tracks as BB tracks so they generate every time or make them regular tracks so they only regenerate when you tell them to, different options and different workflow, but many of the same features.
A few people mentioned using a DAW; Realband acts much more like a DAW but retains the BiaB generating features. This is big for some people.
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JFord: <<A lot of the style information used be in a file called BBW.LST. I believe they do it differently now>>
Yes, I think you're right. I examined this file and A: It does not contain all styles and B: It does not tell you which instruments are available for each style.
<<StaffsLebowski: Maybe this memo is stored in a separate file as it's not included in the export. JFord: That would be something PGMusic would have to answer. >>
I've sent an email to Support, I'll see what they say and post back their answer.
If I can export the StyleList and have all asscociated Tracks listed with that Style, that would be useful (to me). It means I can look down at Styles and Track/Instruments from a 'birds eye view' which gives me a clearer picture of Styles and Tracks. The uses for this information is, useful in many ways.
Matt Finley: <<This is just a guess, but I suspect the information you seek is in the ST2, ST3, STX and XT2 files. As John said, they are not text files and there is no editor for them.>>
I've also taken a look in those files and I can't see the information, as you say, no editor.
<<By the way, since you are studying how everything works, this is some basic info about the song file types, from FAQ #85. >>
Thanks Matt. I did come across an earlier post of yours that explained this. It's been filed accordingly and to be digested!
Mario D: <<I would bring the whole track that has the 2-bar section that you like into your DAW.>>
Thanks for the suggestion. That's the next thing I will try.
rharv: <<As mentioned by others; try Realband>>
I was hoping I could avoid RealBand. I've invested a substantial amount of time into MixCraft and was hoping I didn't have to learn another DAW. However...
<<Realband acts much more like a DAW but retains the BiaB generating features.>>
OK, that sounds a compelling argument to give it a go!
JFord: <<BIAB has always been designed such that it gives you variations each time it plays, much like a live musician would.>>
Which finally brings me full circle to JFord's comment. If I were a producer cutting a record, I'd say "Hey, that variation's great, but, can you please stick to the one riff that I like?". Naturally it's great to hear variations but eventually you find something you like and you want to stick with it.
For sure, the phrase I want is only 2 bars. I need it to last 4 bars. So, maybe this is the workflow:
1: Create a 2 bar song
2: Freeze the track (to keep the correct variation)
3: Export to a DAW
4: Copy/Paste to make 4 bars
5: Bring it back into BIAB
(NB: No need to answer this one, this is just me working it out in my head..)
Which brings me back round again to one of my previous posts (and this thread in general) which is, it'd be nice to be able to 'see' where things are and how to identify and isolate them so you have true control over the various aspects aspects of your composition.
Thanks again everyone for your contributions.
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Your best bet, if it plays something you really really like, in a RT, is to freeze that track and or export it before you do any sort of regeneration.
You can also regenerate that same RT multiple times and save each one in a DAW or in Real Band.
I find that BiaB is the one that recreates the tracks when you change something. When I work in RB, the tracks I generate are fixed and don't change with every regen. I regenerate only if I don't like the track in RB. ANd like I said, I will sometimes generate 3 to 5 instances of the same track. They are all different as you have observed.
I, and others use this to create parts in songs. The piano fills and the guitar solo in THE BEST CHRISTMAS on my music page were done this exact way. 3 pianos and 5 guitars from the same track/style mixed and edited in a DAW.
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So, in response to my question with PG Support:
Staffs Lebowski: "On the StylePicker form, in the bottom left hand corner, there is a memo box that highlights the various details of a style. I would like to know, for a selected style, is it possible to determine the Real Tracks/Instruments/Drums etc, that are assigned to a style."
PGMusic: "Those memos are generated automatically within the program itself, so unfortunately there is no external file to access to find that information."
Another tidbit of information guys to add to your knowledge of BIAB..
Regards and thanks for all your input,
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Track information is contained within each style file, so I suspect that the StylePicker reads it on the fly when it rebuilds the StylePicker list.
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