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#413662 - 05/16/17 12:49 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] About to give up on 2017 Audiophile !
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I have had more problems with this version since I bought it then the whole year with my 2016 everything pack. There is a bunch of problems. Yes, I installed yesterday the latest build 463 and nothing changes.

Here is just some of the things that never ends;

1. Songs stil stop at bar 8 after loading it... How could I ever use this for backupband on stage, if I was doing that????

2. Cannot use the dropbox for Midi.. Never a problem in 2016...

3. Yesterday, when generating a solo, it ended up in the bass track !

4. After investing in a brand new desktop with 16 gb ram, it stil start scrambling badly, if I load/unload a lot of real tracks. so I cannot even stop it, with out using ctrl-del.

5. I want to delete a track, and pressing delete on the track menu, and the track just refuse to get deleted !

6. To many thing to even remember... But EVERY day since I started using it on my old laptop it had been problems problems problems... Was thinking it was my old laptop, so I invested in a brand new desktop, and nothing got better. Then I was thinking I needed the latest build, but stil the same, even saying when I start it; "A new update is available, install it now?

So, tired of this, I will give it a last change tomorrow by uninstall it and then reinstall it... If anything turns out the same I uninstall it for good and installing 2016 again...

But, since the refund periode is over lang ago, can I copy all the new styles and real tracks over to 2016 and use it there?

Frustrated, but stil in love with BiaB and grateful for this great community...

Leo
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#413664 - 05/16/17 01:28 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen

1. Songs stil stop at bar 8 after loading it... How could I ever use this for backupband on stage, if I was doing that????

Does this happen to one or two songs or is it every song? Also are they songs from older versions of BIAB or created with this new version?

If it only happens to one or two songs, it might be that you have a corrupt song file. It's rare but sometime it does happen that a file gets corrupted. It's not always possible to fix it but try this...

1. Open the song file in Realband.

2. Use "Save As" in Realband to save the file with a new name. You will need to change the file type from SEQ to MGU or SGU (whichever extension the old file had).

3. Load the newly named file and see if that works better.

Originally Posted By: Trygve
2. Cannot use the dropbox for Midi.. Never a problem in 2016...

Can you explain this a little more fully. What midi are you talking about? Is is Supertracks, midi notation of Realtracks, a Melodist generated midi file, etc. You haven't given me enough information to try and help.

Originally Posted By: Trygve
3. Yesterday, when generating a solo, it ended up in the bass track !

It sounds like you might have had a Bass Realtrack loaded on the Soloist or Melody track. The track would have been named "Bass" because BIAB automatically names the tracks after the instruments now.

While we're trying to sort these problems, disable the automatic naming function. Disable "Autogenerate track labels" as shown in the image below.



With this disabled, the tracks will always show the same name now (Bass, Piano, Drums, Guitar, Strings, Melody, Soloist). These are the original names BIAB used to use. I always use BIAB with the autogenerate names feature turned off.

Using these names will make it easier to identify where the Soloist was located.

Originally Posted By: Trygve

4. After investing in a brand new desktop with 16 gb ram, it stil start scrambling badly, if I load/unload a lot of real tracks. so I cannot even stop it, with out using ctrl-del.

I'm not sure what you mean by "load/Unload a lot of realtracks". How do you load them and then unload them? Can you give a little more information please and I'll see if I can help.

Originally Posted By: Trygve
5. I want to delete a track, and pressing delete on the track menu, and the track just refuse to get deleted !

It's never been possible to delete a Realtrack from a BIAB track by using the Delete button.

To delete a Realtrack, there are a couple of ways. One way to do it is...

1. Rightclick on the track in the mixer.

2. Choose "Select Realtrack".

3. From the list select "Choose no Realtrack for this track".

Note 1: some styles have a Realtrack already loaded and it's best to leave that present if a message comes up that says that the style contains a Realtrack. In that case, just turn the track's volume down to zero on the mixer.

Note 2: If you are wanting to delete a Realtrack so that you can load another one, that's not the best way to do it. Simply load your new Realtrack without deleting the previous one. The new one replaces the previous one.

Originally Posted By: Trygve
"A new update is available, install it now?

For the moment, while we're trying to sort out your problems, turn off the automatic update.

1. Under the "Help" menu, click on "Check for updates"

2. When the update window opens, remove the tick from "Automatically check for updates".


Lastly, have you used the Audiophile USB drive to install the compressed version of the program on your computer's internal hard drive?


Let us know how you go.

All the best,
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#413684 - 05/16/17 05:35 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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In case your post is meant to imply that the audiophile version has anything to do with your difficulties, it does not. The core program is the same for the audiophile and 'regular' versions.
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#413767 - 05/16/17 07:14 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Thank's again Noel for ur always helpful and detailed help ! U should be paid by PG Music for all the hours u spend trying to help PG Music customer out... wink (Did u hear that Mr. Gannon ? wink )

To take it point by point;
1. Not every song. Seems like it is pretty ramdomly.. Just to test it out right now, before I answer this I open BiaB, selected 3 different track from the Soundtrack demo songs, and all 3 stopped at bar 8. Then I open one of my own songs, whith 5 real tracks in it, and it did not stop, but BiaB started to flicker (Don't know the right word for it) again...

2. I mean drag a real track with green line under to the midi dropbox to get the midi file from it... I also tried to save song as midi, but the song saved contain no midi... The midi is there, because I can see the notes.... I never had this problem in 2016. And I need those midi files for a project...

3. No, I had not.. It was one of the soundtrack songs I was flicking around with to try learn more about generating solos... I heard the solo, so I wanted to hear it alone. Then to my surprise I found it on the basstrack, the original one....

4. Bad wording from me... What I mean is trying out different real track.. It happens especially when I mute som of the real track... But today, right before I write this, it happens right away when I loaded and started play a song with real track.. I had this problem also before on my laptop, so I thought it had something to do with lack of ram to process all the data, but my new desktop has 16 gb ram, and a i5 6400 CPU 2.70 GHz so can't be that I guess?

5. I go to the track action menu and click erase track.. In 2016 this gave a question; Do u want to erase the real track, then after confirming, a new question came up; Do u want to erase the Midi track, and after confirming it, it was gone.. Is this not possible in 2017 ?

The new update stuff solved by follow ur tip.. Seems like if downloaded outside BiaB and installing it separately, BiaB will not recognize it as done already...

And now, when I was looking for BiaB in the uninstall menu window, the only I see there is Band in a Box 2017 (463) update. Is this the only I need to uninstall in order to install a new fresh version ?
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#413811 - 05/17/17 12:24 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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A little update about my problems;

1. I uninstalled the Band in a Box 2017 (463) update. No more "Glitching" as long as I have used BiaB today after that...

2. The stop at bar 8, does not happen when I play the same songs in Jukebox... After I tried that I tried to load them from the soundtracks menu, and they stopped at bar 8 again...

3. When worked at a new song today, I transposed the melody up one octave. Worked. Then Embellish same melody and it went back down one octave, but the notes stayed one octave up, until I pressed play.. I tried repeatedly to transpose up, and the notes went up, but when I pressed play, all notes went back down... I then saved the song and reloaded it, generated a new melody using same melodist and the same happen. Ny idea what I do wrong here?
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#413813 - 05/17/17 12:26 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen
1. Not every song. Seems like it is pretty ramdomly.. Just to test it out right now, before I answer this I open BiaB, selected 3 different track from the Soundtrack demo songs, and all 3 stopped at bar 8. Then I open one of my own songs, whith 5 real tracks in it, and it did not stop, but BiaB started to flicker (Don't know the right word for it) again...


Trygve, I'd like to be able to repeat your process exactly as you do it so that I can test it out. To do this, though, I need step by step instructions, one step at a time, as to what you do. I need to know what style you tried and I also need to know exactly which buttons you press.

For example..

1. Enter style picker.

2. Select _CDRIVI2.STY.

3. Click on the button called....

etc.

As I said, I'd like to be able to repeat what you did exactly. Unfortunately, the information you have provided does not let me do that.


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2. I mean drag a real track with green line under to the midi dropbox to get the midi file from it... I also tried to save song as midi, but the song saved contain no midi... The midi is there, because I can see the notes.... I never had this problem in 2016. And I need those midi files for a project...


Did you generate the song before you tried this? Nothing will be saved if the song is not generated. I have build 464 with the Audiophile version and it worked fine for me.

If you want to load build 464, go to the link below and download the file. Then exit BIAB and doubleclick on the update to run it. Just check that the installation paths are correct.

http://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm

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3. No, I had not.. It was one of the soundtrack songs I was flicking around with to try learn more about generating solos... I heard the solo, so I wanted to hear it alone. Then to my surprise I found it on the bass track, the original one....


If the solo was a Realtrack, it could be located on the Bass track. The tracks are simply place-holders for Realtracks. All BIAB tracks are equal in this regard.

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4. Bad wording from me... What I mean is trying out different real track.. It happens especially when I mute som of the real track... But today, right before I write this, it happens right away when I loaded and started play a song with real track.. I had this problem also before on my laptop, so I thought it had something to do with lack of ram to process all the data, but my new desktop has 16 gb ram, and a i5 6400 CPU 2.70 GHz so can't be that I guess?


Did you generate the song? It's not enough just to press Play. I've noticed that in 463 and 464, BIAB does not automatically generate a new Realtrack when you change one like it used to do in BIAB 2016. I reported this to the Support team a little while ago.

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5. I go to the track action menu and click erase track.. In 2016 this gave a question; Do u want to erase the real track, then after confirming, a new question came up; Do u want to erase the Midi track, and after confirming it, it was gone.. Is this not possible in 2017 ?


Again, did you regenerate the song after erasing it? It might be the pressing Play is not enough.


Let us know if this helps.

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#413838 - 05/17/17 02:58 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Found out about point 3. There is a setting in the melody embellisher "more" where we can set the "Adjust octave method to "Only adjust if outside instrument range" This fixed my problem...
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#413839 - 05/17/17 03:04 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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464 now available. wink

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#413841 - 05/17/17 03:46 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Yes, I saw that today, but I'm very skeptical.. 463 made it a mess, so had to uninstall it... Guess I will wait and see...
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#413848 - 05/17/17 05:16 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Hi Leo

I'm running 464 with no issues, but I was running 463 with no issues also.

The problems you are experiencing, although obviously very real, have not been identified at the same extent by others, so we probably need to look at your particular set up to identify the issues.
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#413849 - 05/17/17 05:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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"And now, when I was looking for BiaB in the uninstall menu window, the only I see there is Band in a Box 2017 (463) update. Is this the only I need to uninstall in order to install a new fresh version ?"


You normally don't need to uninstall BiaB to install a new versions. Just run the installer and it will upgrade your existing version.

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#413866 - 05/17/17 07:02 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Trygve, could you give us more information on your system? Things like how much ram, what hard drive and what speed is the hard drive, CPU speed etc. Also have you had the computer cleaned lately; that is no viruses, malware, spyware etc on your system?
Also do you have WIFI, anti-virus or anything else running while you are using BiaB?

All of these are important when tracking down a problem that no one else is having as anyone can cause problems when using any CPU clock dependent programs like music creation, animation, and any machine that runs off the clock, i.e sewing machines, industrial machines etc.
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#413959 - 05/17/17 07:06 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Noel96]
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Originally Posted By: Noel96
Glad it's working out for you, Trygve.

If you get a long post from me here, it will be because it's waiting to get approved by a moderator. I wrote it much earlier tonight and I didn't see the submission code. Just ignore it. I'll delete it tomorrow.

Regards,
Noel


No, I did not see anything from u... Was hoping for it.. Why u need a submission code? And approval from moderator?

And it is not working out for me yet, only the transpose problem.. Just had to use ctrl+del. again, after reinstalling BB. Was working on a song, loved it, and wanted to try Pianoteq 5 VSTi on 4 of the tracks to have it as a pure piano song... Then BANG ! started to "scramble" terrible... Impossible to stop it... Checked the CPU use, and it was 39% and the RAM was on 25%, so it cant be about my PC can't handle the load...?
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#413965 - 05/17/17 07:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Leo,

39% CPU load is extremely high, especially for your setup.

To help you track down, can you repeat all of the steps again but don't try the Pianoteq VSTi and see if the CPU load is more normal?

Running the same VSTi on 4 tracks is likely to be problematic. The same VSTi code is trying to compete with delivering to 4 tracks simultaneously.

As mentioned previously, others are not having issues such as yours.
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#413966 - 05/17/17 07:44 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: About to give up on 2017 Audiophile ! [Re: Trygve Larsen]
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Also, Noel's comment about moderators was related to a change in posting caused by a number of recent spammers. You probably don't need to worry about that part.
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