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#41920 - 11/07/09 10:05 PM [Off-Topic] Most important 30 years ever. When and why?
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In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.

Orson Welles, The Third Man, 1949




I would say, musically, 1955-1985. Rock & Roll and the birth of Pop - From Elvis and Buddy Holly to The Rolling Stones and The Beatles, right through to Dire Straits and Bruce Springsteen (not to mention others).

What would you say?
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#41921 - 11/08/09 07:37 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: WienSam]
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Certainly not the last thirty ..musically speaking
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#41922 - 11/08/09 11:06 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: rharv]
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Impossible question to answer.

I would possibly say that when music was first typeset - the 30 years that included that - could be considered the most important. Music could then be shared.

I could say it was the 30 years that included when Les Paul practically invented the electric guitar AND multi-track recording.

I could say it was the 30 years that included the launch of the Macintosh and the IBM-PC.

I could say it was the most recent 30 years - as it democratized the distribution of music, at least to the part of the world with access to the Internet. I've been able to 'play' my music for those of you here - some in Austria, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Deutschland, England, Finland, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, etc. And I have had listens by folks from all of those places. The Internet made it possible for me.

Those are just technology reasons for answering the question.

Stylistically - I think that this is up to the listener. I could pick any 30 year period of music that I listen to or has heritage from, and make up reasons for why it's the most important - including the most recent 30 years.

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#41923 - 11/08/09 11:52 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: rockstar_not]
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Everybody thinks the music they grew up with is best.

Of course, everybody except me, is wrong.
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#41924 - 11/08/09 05:40 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: HappyTrails]
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Everybody thinks the music they grew up with is best.

Of course, everybody except me, is wrong.




And I think you win the prize.

Glenn

However, since I grew up in the forties and fifties, I'm pretty sure the best period was from the early fifties to 1958.

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#41925 - 11/08/09 06:24 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: Glenn Kolot]
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To 1958? What happened after 1958 to make you say the best period ended then? Two quick examples for 1959: the introduction of Bossa Nova in this country, and the release of 'Kind of Blue' by Miles Davis. I would not have wanted to miss those. My 30-year period starts in 1959.
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#41926 - 11/08/09 07:47 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: Matt Finley]
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Matt:

Whoops, I should have put a few winking, laughing, smirking icons in my post.

If your 30 year period starts in 1959, then you're just too young to know anything (wink, chuckle).

BN was certainly a great development (started by a Brazilian pianist I believe - Antonio Carlos Brasileiro de Almeida something). Great compositions - the harmonies are different but great. One of my favourites is Dindi. I remember where I was when I heard the news of his death - listening to CBC radio while driving down Sahali Drive just past the school, in Kamloops, BC on the way to work - sad news.

I really don't think there is a definitive time period - in reality it's a continuum. But we can have fun BS-ing each other.

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#41927 - 11/08/09 08:06 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: Glenn Kolot]
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I wouldn't want to miss Vivaldi, Beethoven, Rachmaninov, Robert Johnson, Jango Reinhard, ...

The timeperiod between these musicians is quite a bit longer than 30 years. I think every period in time has it's own good music and it's own evergreens. Even in the '90's and now there's some very fine music being made. You just have to look harder to find it because all of the sh** the business wants you to like and to buy; the easy-to-listen-to, no-highs-and-lows, just-add-water-to-eat, as-long-as-it-has-a-beat simpleton noise most people call music nowadays. But there is still music made by real musicians.
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#41928 - 11/08/09 08:08 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: WienSam]
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The most important 40 years ever was between 1964 and 2004 because those were the years I was giging
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#41929 - 11/08/09 08:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: MarioD]
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The most important 40 years ever was between 1964 and 2004 because those were the years I was giging




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#41930 - 11/09/09 01:41 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: Mike sings]
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How could anyone suggest that the most important period of music could only fall into a 30 year period. The last 100 years has brought great change in the styles, production, reproduction, and form of music. In the early 1900s, much of the music that a family enjoyed was the simple piano in the parlor, often played by the mother or daughters of the household. While recordings existed, they were scarce and not to be had by many.

Almost 40 years later, the great swing bands filled our concert halls, rode the airwaves into our homes over radio waves and lifted the spirit of an entire country, or even the world.

Twenty years after that what was streaming into our homes was television, with images of our favorite artists as well as their music. Stereophonic sound was being reproduced on our radios, phonographs and tape recordings.

A further 20 years from there, we entered the 'Digital Audio Age' with the release of Compact Disc, giving us reproduction levels no one had ever been able to imagine before that.

The computer revolution gave musicians the ability to take that lone piano from the 1900s and gave us multitudes of sounds that could be played at the same time.

Today, we can record nearly at a studio quality in our homes, can take our high fidelity music with us, carry thousands of songs that have been recorded over the years and play them at will.

Yet, where would this be without the primal beatings of a log or a stone in a rhythmic pattern from thousands of years ago? The song of the heart given to voice?

No, there is no such thing as the most important 30 years of music, it ALL has been important.

Gary
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#41931 - 11/09/09 09:51 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: Gary Curran]
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It’s hard for us in 2009 to put this into any kind or historical perspective.
While some musical movements can seem important, or even major watersheds at the time (punk, grunge, hip-hop, whatever….), when you look at the big picture you realise they are not all that radical after all.

However, it is likely that the advent of music essentially made by powered instruments, notably the electric guitar, will be of significance.
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#41932 - 11/09/09 10:30 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: mglinert]
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1900-1930, if I was forced to pick just a 30-year time slot. In the USA...

The birth of Blues and Jazz...all follows from those forms.

Having said that, music is just too universal to be confined into any particular era. There is probably something profound happening in music every moment.
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#41933 - 11/09/09 11:26 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: Mike sings]
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Sadly, music was once a participatory event, one of joy, elation, or sadness, depending on the occasion. As John Kenneth Galbraith stated in a lecture in at the Ontario Institute for the Study of Education, "we have gone from a generation of singers of music to a generation of listeners." (a paraphrase from memory...in the quotes.) The fact is stark, you no longer have school choirs in many places, no one sits around the parlour and sings. It survived for a while, but radio, tv, ipods, even record players, although important, have changed the landscape and robbed us of the emotional links our ancestors had to music.

I have purchased and donated many old music books that predate recorded music. They tell a story of a time and an era when music was much different from today. In places it lives on, remote areas of Canada still have family bands, sing a-longs, and ceilidhs. For a while after TV came out, you had sing a-longs, follow the bouncing ball, hymn sing programs, but they too have faded away.

My wife's family being French Canadian still have 8 or 10 occasions a year, rent a hall, and pull out fiddles, guitars, mouth organs, and a caller for the square dances. But that's dying. Everyone is plugged into headphones, oblivious to the world, and lost in some never never land of boom boom.

Music went from the era before print when it was shared, chants were learned, and songs were passed down. It's interesting that many generations of Eskimos on the east side of Hudson's Bay all play fiddle, the old scottish way, learned by rote from the Scots that ran the trading posts. They were filmed and to everyone's surprise the tunes had morphed in Scotland, but were the same in the isolation of Northern Canada.

As the print media evolved so did music. You can trace it's evolution through the dark ages, old songs like When Johnny Comes Marching Home, the older version was far more graphic. Then as the age of enlightenment allowed musicians to be the equal of others rather than virtual slaves eating in the kitchen with the maids and popping out to perform sonatas or new compositions for the 'Lords and Ladies' to the period where Mozart made a stab at music as a business.

As musicians rose in stature, and opera houses and concert halls were built, even the common person could attend the opera. The Victorian era almost killed music, pushed away the ribald songs of the previous era, and pushed very proper hymns into churches. Prohibition had an effect, pushing music and drinking underground. And then as we moved into the age of tv it became about watching someone else, not participating. I've been to clubs with outstanding performers, and the patrons are all watching a football game, wanting the owner to shut down the music and turn up the sports.

Ok, so those are the highlights of observations without the footnotes, my basis of a thesis that is partly written, and of course my viewpoints thrown like autumn leaves on a fall stream, ready to freeze for the winter before going the rest of the way to someplace in the sparkle of clear spring waters....as another year dawns and I try and preserve my families musical heritage....

As the schools are ripping up old songbooks to rid us of Steven Foster, and burning copies of To Kill a Mockingbird in order to ensure political correctness...I wonder who is going to bring back the music.
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#41934 - 11/10/09 03:11 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Most important 30 years ever. When and why? [Re: Mike sings]
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Mike, I love your description for the current music being produced today. May I borrow it?

And you are right in that every era had its contributors. It is virtually impossible, setting aside sentimentalism of course, to say there was a specific time when music was at its peak.

I would like to contribute this thought, where would John Mayer be without Stevie Ray Vaughn? And where would SRV be without Albert King? And we go on so forth and so forth. Just by the fact that each of us are offsprings of what influences us proves that music has always had great contributors throughout time.

It's a great art in that we can choose to replicate or innovate using it.

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