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As posted here; http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=418905#Post418905Let us use the midi version of the RT in any track, together with the RT, by allowing for both VST and VSTi in all tracks, independent of that being audio or not. Since there in fact is MIDI also in most of the RT instruments, if made available by the Chart by PG Music...
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I am lost as to the purpose of converting real tracks to MIDI. It seems a step backwards.
My understanding was that Real Tracks were introduced to give BIAB (and RB) quality sounds through recording of real musicians playing real instruments that didn't have the 'stiff' computer generated MIDI sound. While some of the instruments may have been midi and could produce charts, other had to have charts transcribed from the audio. In either case, the resulting charts would not have the colour of the original recording. They might be great to see the notes that were being played, but not much else.
The only reasons I can see to use the midi version of the RT would be to modify the notes or to change the instrument. But once you change the notes, you no longer have the same track, and changing the instrument, from say a guitar to a clarinet, seems counter productive.
But to each his own. I just don't see this as a positive change to the program
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Couldn't agree more, Dave.
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I think this needs further examination.
As I understand it, since I produced some of the early MIDI transcriptions for some RealTracks, there are a few things to consider about those MIDI versions of RealTracks.
The stated purpose of those MIDI files was to provide the ability to view notation for educational purposes.
The piano tracks were recorded into MIDI directly, as I understand it, so they have the complete performance info.
Most other instruments, but I don't know how many, had the MIDI parts created after the fact. This was done in some cases by transcription, where only the notes were right without any attempt to capture volume, inflection, attack and decay or any other nuance. It was done in other cases by automation, although I don't know the exact methods used (I can guess, but this technology has changed radically since the first RealTracks in 2009).
Some RealTracks do not have MIDI notation at all. This info on whether they do or not is available in the RealTracks picker dialog box.
Thus the notation in some cases is of great value, but is of little value in other cases.
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And even if you have the performance nuances captured, how they get interpreted depends on the MIDI sound source you use.
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Yes I do that all the time, use the RealChart with the RealTrack, you can get a sax to play the same lick after the guitar or along with it. Using the RealChart for more than one purpose adds versatility and choice, that's a good thing. That's why I requested articulations in the tab be exported as bend info and/or key switches. It is easiest to do in your DAW or RealBand. If you need to stay within Biab see here: Biab Win More Audio & Midi Tracks you can drag the DROP MID straight into an energyXT track then add you vsti.
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Rather than go to the trouble to convert audio (real) tracks to midi, would it not be simpler to use supermidi tracks?
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supermidi tracks = superpianoonlymidi tracks though you can get midi pickups for many other instruments not just piano, you can even get them for acoustic drums (RealDrumCharts !).
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Now I have only a few super midi files, and yes they are mostly piano, but I have synth pad, organ (I guess that could be classed as a piano), bass, and strings.
As you said earlier, you can get a sax to play the same lick after the guitar or along with it, so doesn't it follow that if you fins a supermidi lick that you like, regardless of the instrument you can do the same thing.
It would be nice if all the real tracks could be recorded on midi instruments, thus giving us the best of both worlds, but I don't expect them to go back and re-record them, or provide charts where there are none. It's a good wish list entry, but the work around is probably to use the super midi and make the necessary adjustments
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I am lost as to the purpose of converting real tracks to MIDI. It seems a step backwards.
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But to each his own. I just don't see this as a positive change to the program Well, I guess you need to talk to Norton then. Is it not a positive change if many of the user, included me, will be happy for it, and you don't HAVE to use this feature if u don't like it??? In the whole 2016 I used RT only. Midi only for melodies. Never midi for solos. This days I use "ONLY" midi for solos, as I discovered and started to use the Edit soloist feature. Added Chord solos a.s.o. And by that I get exactly what I want. Can't edit a RT soloist track. By allowing VSTi for the RT also, we can utilize this option in hundred of ways. I just can's see why this would NOT be a positiv addition to BiaB...;)
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It's not so much a matter of not using it, it is a matter of where I would prefer PGM to spend their time. Foe me anyway, it would not be to add more options to Real Tracks.
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I would say no to customizing RT. The whole point is that BIAB creates something new everytime. I want BIAB (or RB) to produce a random tracks each time, you want a tool to let you create a fixed track. I am sure there are better tools than BIAB for that.
Your samples are nice, but I am the soloist in my band, and I need a band that keeps time with some background instruments. so for me all of those very nice sounds are wasted. A good drummer and bass are important. They sit at the back of the stage, no stage lights on them, and they never solo. Some strings or brass occasionally help out. I want the audience's attention on me, not the band.
We are two very different users, and selfishly perhaps, I don't need PGM to take Real Tracks any further. More of them - yes, but no more bells and whistles.
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I think you are looking at one purpose only for Biab, your own.
I look at Biab to be used in so many different ways not just one. This would cater for a lot more users/sales than only designing it for one purpose only.
You need to consider that other people use it for different purposes and not just the same way you use it.
"but I am the soloist in my band" so all Biab users that need custom solos would have to send you the notation they need and you would play it and send the audio back to them ?
"We are two very different users, and selfishly perhaps"
I'm by no means selfish if you look through all my post, but you on the other hand "I would prefer PGM to spend their time." I think being a soloist in a band says it all.
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I think you are looking at one purpose only for Biab, your own.
I look at Biab to be used in so many different ways not just one. This would cater for a lot more users/sales than only designing it for one purpose only.
You need to consider that other people use it for different purposes and not just the same way you use it.
"but I am the soloist in my band" so all Biab users that need custom solos would have to send you the notation they need and you would play it and send the audio back to them ?
"We are two very different users, and selfishly perhaps"
I'm by no means selfish if you look through all my post, but you on the other hand "I would prefer PGM to spend their time." I think being a soloist in a band says it all. Love u Pipeline ! BTW, was over and scanned the RC forum today.. Learned a lot. Just wonder; R u the guy "yellukhan" over there? Seems like same helpfulness and insight as u show here...;)
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Thanks TL, yellukhan no, he is more up on RC than me.
Attila, he is the programmer, he is so helpful he adds requested features virtually overnight. I suggested so many features he has added to RC, a lot to make it work well with Biab.
Over there I have asked for more audio handling features as RC is mainly midi. So I'm not bias either way as I use both audio & midi. The more options, the more versatile the apps are.
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+1.
VST typically is an effect while VSTi is an instrument patch or sound module. The capability to use both at the same time on a midi track is useful.
As I understand what Trygve is requesting when a track contains audio and midi data, which many RealTracks do incidentally, then allow the track to play both the audio contained on the track and allow a VSTi insert to play audio derived from the midi data contained on the track.
Then you can blend the two sound sources together to create a new sound. Blending multiple sounds together is an idea that has been creatively used many times in recorded music. For example think about how the first chord in the song "A Hard Days Night" is played by bass, two guitars, drums and piano.
I think Trygve's idea will provide a new and creative way to use RealTracks.
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I agree and support the request, as long as everyone understands it will not work, or work correctly, with all the RealTracks (this was not the original purpose) as I described above.
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I think we all understand it will not work for all tracks, but only for those that have midi chart. However, after checking out Melodynes ability to convert audio to midi, it should not be much work for PGM to include it in more and more RT... OR, let us do it ! I am definitely going to purchase melodyne anyway. Then, if someone would like to exchange RT tracks with Midi included, we could do it here. And also, if we could include midi in UT also, that would lift up the whole interaction in the community to a new level IMHO... Melodyne converting audio to midi; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_jbW2tJe2M#
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