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#426697 - 08/19/17 12:31 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Can Someone please help?
Keith from Oz Offline
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** I'm not technically savvy so please be kind to me***

My BIAB laptop is under performing - it stutters and stops during songs. F12 is my best friend smile

From reading earlier forum posts, I downloaded & ran Geek Bench, but the results mean nothing to me.

Can someone please tell me what the results mean?
Apart from BIAB I don't run anything from this laptop - it has no virus protection and limited internet access.


TOSHIBA Satellite A500


Single-Core Score

Multi-Core Score


1358 1536

Geekbench 4.1.1 Tryout for Windows x86 (32-bit)

Result Information


Upload Date August 19 2017 07:01 AM
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System Information

TOSHIBA Satellite A500


Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (32-bit)
Model TOSHIBA Satellite A500
Processor Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 @ 2.19 GHz
1 processor, 2 cores
Processor ID GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10
Processor Codename Penryn
Processor Package Socket P (478)
L1 Instruction Cache 32 KB x 2
L1 Data Cache 32 KB x 2
L2 Cache 2048 KB
L3 Cache 0 KB
Motherboard TOSHIBA KSKAA
Northbridge Intel GM45/GM47 07
Southbridge Intel 82801IM (ICH9-M) 03
BIOS TOSHIBA V2.00
Memory 4096 MB DDR2 SDRAM 399MHz

Single-Core Performance

Single-Core Score

1358
Crypto Score

76
Integer Score
1647

Floating Point Score
1101
Memory Score
1417

AES
76
59.2 MB/sec

LZMA
1860
2.91 MB/sec


JPEG
1879
15.1 Mpixels/sec


Canny
1268
17.6 Mpixels/sec


Lua
1347
1.38 MB/sec


Dijkstra
2095
1.42 MTE/sec


SQLite
1483
41.1 Krows/sec


HTML5 Parse
1410
6.40 MB/sec


HTML5 DOM
1885
1.71 MElements/sec


Histogram Equalization
1482
46.3 Mpixels/sec


PDF Rendering
1292
34.3 Mpixels/sec


LLVM
2534
174.3 functions/sec


Camera
1668
4.63 images/sec


SGEMM
512
10.8 Gflops


SFFT
699
1.74 Gflops


N-Body Physics
1005
750.8 Kpairs/sec


Ray Tracing
989
144.5 Kpixels/sec


Rigid Body Physics
1644
4814.7 FPS


HDR
1764
6.40 Mpixels/sec


Gaussian Blur
927
16.3 Mpixels/sec


Speech Recognition
1580
13.5 Words/sec


Face Detection
1580
461.6 Ksubwindows/sec


Memory Copy
829
2.30 GB/sec


Memory Latency
4503
96.1 ns


Memory Bandwidth
763
4.08 GB/sec


Multi-Core Performance



Multi-Core Score

1536
Crypto Score
75

Integer Score

1960

Floating Point Score

1326

Memory Score

1263
AES
75
58.2 MB/sec


LZMA
2362
3.69 MB/sec


JPEG
2464
19.8 Mpixels/sec


Canny
1732
24.0 Mpixels/sec


Lua
1739
1.79 MB/sec


Dijkstra
2068
1.40 MTE/sec


SQLite
1456
40.4 Krows/sec


HTML5 Parse
1784
8.10 MB/sec


HTML5 DOM
1880
1.70 MElements/sec


Histogram Equalization
1972
61.6 Mpixels/sec


PDF Rendering
1701
45.2 Mpixels/sec


LLVM
3342
229.8 functions/sec


Camera
1627
4.51 images/sec


SGEMM
513
10.9 Gflops


SFFT
696
1.74 Gflops


N-Body Physics
1378
1.03 Mpairs/sec


Ray Tracing
1297
189.5 Kpixels/sec


Rigid Body Physics
2215
6484.8 FPS


HDR
2356
8.54 Mpixels/sec


Gaussian Blur
919
16.1 Mpixels/sec


Speech Recognition
1833
15.7 Words/sec


Face Detection
2271
663.3 Ksubwindows/sec


Memory Copy
854
2.37 GB/sec


Memory Latency
3074
140.8 ns


Memory Bandwidth
769
4.11 GB/sec
Am I using a popgun when I should be using a cannon?

It's an old laptop, and probably needs to be replaced.

Or not???

Any comments are appreciated. (sorry for the long post)
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#426703 - 08/19/17 01:20 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
Noel96 Offline
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Keith,

When you say...

Quote:
My BIAB laptop is under performing - it stutters and stops during songs.

... try this and see if it makes a difference.

1. Load a song with known playback problems.

2. Right-click on the chord sheet and select "Song Settings".

3. In the Song Settings menu, select "This song has playback problems, disable fast generation".

4. Generate the song (it will take slightly longer now before it plays).

Did that help?

Also, when did you last defrag your computer?

Regards,
Noel


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#426709 - 08/19/17 04:33 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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With Geekbench, we compare only one spec: the single core score. Yours (barely) meets the minimum requirements for BIAB.

In addition to Noel’s tip, look in Options, Preferences, RealTracks and find a couple of checkboxes having to do with slower PCs.
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#426783 - 08/19/17 06:18 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Keith,

Visit Toshiba's website and go to the page that has software and drivers for your laptop. Download and install any updates that have been posted since the last time you visited the site.

Visit Intel's website +++ HERE +++. Download and run the Intel chipset scanner. The utility program identifies what Intel chips are used inside the laptop, examines the chipset drivers in Windows and suggests updates if they are needed.

While looking over the information I did not see how much memory your laptop has. Your laptop can use 4 GB of memory. +++ Crucial.com +++ has a utility program that scans your computer and suggests memory that works in your computer. If your laptop has only 1 or 2 GB of memory upgrading to the full 4 GB is inexpensive and pretty easy to do. If you're not comfortable swapping memory any computer shop can do it and may not charge you if you buy the memory from them.

If you have not run the hard drive defrag program in a a long time you may need to let the program run overnight. It can take a day or longer for the program to complete.
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#426794 - 08/19/17 07:53 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
Keith from Oz Offline
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Thank you guys, I appreciate your help and will try your suggestions. I run defrag regularly, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Matt - the single core score you mentioned is 1358; ideally what should it be?
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#426804 - 08/19/17 10:41 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Originally Posted By: Keith from Oz

Matt - the single core score you mentioned is 1358; ideally what should it be?

Higher.
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#426805 - 08/19/17 11:00 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Matt Finley]
Keith from Oz Offline
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Hee hee. A little higher or a lot higher?
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#426813 - 08/20/17 12:04 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
Keith from Oz Offline
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OK. I've decided to bite the bullet and buy a new laptop.

Can anyone please advise the minimum specs that I should look for?

I only use it for BIAB so I don't need a lot of extras.

And a further question; since I've had the old laptop (about 9 years) I've updated every year, and purchased all of the extras from PG Music - some were on CDs and some were downloaded (the main program is on a HDD)
To save a lot of time, if I were to copy the bb file from the old laptop, transfer it to an external drive, and then copy that to the new laptop, would that work?.
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#426817 - 08/20/17 12:42 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Keith,

Your plan to copy the \bb and \Realband folders to an external source and then load that onto your new computer will work fine. This is what I do every time I get a new computer.

You will need to run the 2017 minimal install after doing the above so that you set the new computer up for BIAB.

Make sure you deactivate BIAB (under the Help option) before deleting it off your older computer. This will preserve the 3 activations that PG Music give.

The below thread has more detailed information on this process if you wish to read it.

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=423589#Post423589

Regards,
Noel


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#426989 - 08/21/17 04:46 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Noel96]
Keith from Oz Offline
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Thanks Noel, I appreciate your help.
I'll give that a try.
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#427016 - 08/21/17 07:24 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Hi

Don't just get minimum specs. Get the most powerful you can afford. I would have thought most new laptops would be plenty powerful enough. Make sure it has a big Hard drive in the laptop, lots of USB slots. Preferably USB 3. If you don't need a laptop (eg for performing live), you get a lot more bang for your bucks with desktops. I wouldn't bother with a DVD drive etc unless you have poor internet. I guess most new laptops don't even have DVD drives now. Others will add more useful info as well.
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#427027 - 08/22/17 12:35 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Originally Posted By: Keith from Oz
I only use it for BIAB so I don't need a lot of extras.


You're thinking of this exactly backwards. This statement implies you're "only running Biab" like that's some simple thing. No, any digital audio software that renders and manipulates audio (which includes Biab or any DAW like Real Band) stresses the heck out of a computer.

There are no "extras" there's only the CPU, RAM and type of system drive which in the modern world means an SSD not a spinning hard drive. Any new PC with mid range power will have USB 3 so I guess an extra would be the number of USB ports. More is better.

You asked Matt how much higher. My answer: A lot. The computer in my sig that I picked up off Ebay used last year for $600 scores 3,287. That's middle of the pack, high end new machines can score 7,500. I just ran the new Geekbench 4 and they don't test single core any more, they have something called Open CL and my score is 17,815. I have no idea what that means or how it compares to the old single core score.

Anyway like was said, get the most CPU and ram you can afford with a minimum 256 gig SSD. 128 gigs would really be cutting it close for a system drive running audio apps. An i5 processor would be my minimum with an i7 much preferred.

Bob
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#427066 - 08/22/17 06:41 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: lambada]
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I agree with Bob and lambada about getting a powerful computer. I will disagree with lambada about a DVD/CD burner. I would try to get an internal DVD/CD drive. IMHO you need a DVD/CD drive so you can burn your songs to CDs, create a boot disk (which you can not do with an external drive) etc. YMMV
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#427072 - 08/22/17 07:04 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Many years ago, I bought a netbook (big mistake) that had no CD/DVD drive. I bought an external USB drive for it. I actually still have it; my wife’s Mac mini has no CD/DVD drive either. So, you should be able to add this if needed.

I have to say, I hardly use the burner anymore, what with MP3s even in my car.
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#427112 - 08/22/17 09:17 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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From what I've read there's no need for a recovery CD either.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17422/windows-8-create-usb-recovery-drive.

Another thing I read but can't find the article, is USB 3 is fast enough to use a thumb drive to put your cloned HD on and then boot from it. I recently picked up a 64 Gig USB 3 Sandisk thumb drive for that but haven't cloned my OS to it yet.

Bob
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