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#427124 - 08/22/17 10:47 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: jazzmammal]
MarioD Offline
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Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
From what I've read there's no need for a recovery CD either.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17422/windows-8-create-usb-recovery-drive.

Another thing I read but can't find the article, is USB 3 is fast enough to use a thumb drive to put your cloned HD on and then boot from it. I recently picked up a 64 Gig USB 3 Sandisk thumb drive for that but haven't cloned my OS to it yet.

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This is interesting. I have two laptops and never will boot from a USB port, even if I set it up to do so in the BIOS. Apparently on these two the OS must load prior to opening the USB ports. Maybe things have changed in the last two years?
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#427178 - 08/22/17 06:23 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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You should be able to boot from USB .. needing an OS to load first defeats the purpose.
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#427261 - 08/23/17 09:47 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Yep....

I agree, always buy as much computer and processing power as you can afford.

Having said that....

Often when people come in asking about performance related issues and say they're getting clicks, pops, hesitation, stuff out of sync, the first thing I think about is the sound card. It's generally at the root of those sorts of problems.

You can't generally get good performance out of factory (stock) sound cards and their drivers. Most of the folks here and on other music recording web sites are using third party external sound cards and ASIO drivers. Just about any computer will run the software just fine, but you do need to have a soundcard/interface that's up to the task.

I have run and still have a laptop that is pitifully under-powered by today's and PG's minimum requirements. YET.... with my Focusrite interface and ASIO drivers, I get absolutely great performance in spite of the fact that is s duo-core, running Vista for the OS and I think it has either 1 or 2 gig at most for it's memory.

My standard desktop DAW is similar.... 4GB, i5 chip, XP pro/32 and it's a rock solid workhorse.

You will get better performance out of an old bare minimum computer with a nice aftermarket recording interface than you will with a state of the art computer with a factory standard soundcard chip set.
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#427285 - 08/23/17 11:48 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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I note that I have an Intel I5-4430 @3.00 GHz, with 10GB of ram on an HP Machine. When I download the Intel Chipset scan, it said these are generic Intel customized by the manufacturer. And that statement is a link, where all the mfrs come up, and I can choose HP, but that goes to their general support website, so I didn't go any further. I'm not having any problems with BB, my mic and headphone and keyboard all go through the Focusrite Scarlett Solo.

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#427299 - 08/23/17 02:08 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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http://www.wirerealm.com/guides/top-10-best-computers-music-production

The Lenevo Think Server looks good.

Now that Band in a Box comes on its own hard drive, has that changed anything, as far as what computer to use?
I have a fast C: drive that runs the programs, and
a big ol' 1T hybrid D: where the working files are
sent. Video is like audio, by uses more power and space.
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#427308 - 08/23/17 04:36 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: edshaw]
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Hi guys,
Thank you for all your help & suggestions; I think I've found an HP laptop that fits the bill. It's within my price range, and the specs meet the recommendations as suggested by the forum.
Just one problem - it doesn't have a line in.
I currently have my keyboard connected to the Ketron, which has stereo RCA output, through a lead to a 3.5mm (?) jack that goes into the line in of the laptop.

Without a line-in, is there another way to connect the Ketron to the HP - perhaps some sort of adaptor?
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#427318 - 08/23/17 06:35 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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I recommend a USB audio interface such as a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, or larger depending on the number of other inputs you need.
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#427325 - 08/23/17 07:43 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Maybe the line in and line out are combined? Seems strange. You can always use a USB output for sound. As mentioned a good audio interface will be most suitable if the budget stretches. I use the the UA-2 by Zoom as it's USB 3. There are others by Zoom. Personally I love Zoom products but a lot of people on the site like Focusrite, and there are loads of others. Even some of these fancy mixers..... if live is going to be your thing. :-)
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#427331 - 08/23/17 08:47 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Very few laptops have line in inputs these days. It forces you into an external solution.
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#427336 - 08/23/17 09:38 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: jford]
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Yes, I didn't think it would be as complicated - or so expensive.

I may have to look at other options.
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#427342 - 08/23/17 10:20 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Would something like this (without the yellow video lead) work?

Or is that too simple?


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#427350 - 08/23/17 11:51 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Sorry, picture too small.


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#427439 - 08/24/17 05:12 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Don't you need an interface to convert analog signal to digital? Digital interfaces have a variety of input/ouptut.
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#427440 - 08/24/17 05:35 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: edshaw]
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Hi Ed,
I'm not sure. I believe the signal that comes from the Ketron SD2 is MIDI. Currently I connect a regular RCA/3.5mm lead from the Ketron output to the line in of the laptop.
I hoping someone who uses a Ketron & a laptop without line in will jump in.
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#427502 - 08/25/17 07:44 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Like Matt said, you're going to need an external interface that has line-in capability to get the audio from the Ketron back to your computer.

I've got a Ketron SD-2 (and unfortunately, it is failing, so I can use it much anymore, however....).

The Ketron accepts MIDI input from either a computer or a keyboard. It generates the audio from that input and sends it out via a stereo audio connection. That's why you need the "line-in" on your computer to be able to record the Ketron's output in real time (you have to records it; you can't render it like you can with a DXi or a VSTi).

So, something like Matt's suggestion should work for you. Here is how I had my system set up (I have an M-Audio Fast Track Pro, which has audio in, audio out, MIDI in and MIDI out capability).

My Fast Track pro is connected to my computer via USB and is seen by the computer as an available sound card. The USB is a bi-direction connetion that supports audio and MIDI data across the connection. I then have the MIDI out of the FastTrack connected to the MIDI in of the Ketron (which allows MIDI data from the computer to drive the Ketron; however, you could just have the MIDI out of your electronic keyboard connected to the MIDI in of the Ketron, which allows the keyboard to drive the Ketron). Then the output from my Ketron goes to a stereo audio input on my hardware mixer unit and then the mixer unit is connected to the audio in on my Fast Track pro (via balanced cables for clean sound) so that the audio data from the Ketron can be recorded back into the computer. You don't need the intermediary mixer (the Ketron audio out could go directly to the audio in of your external sound card); however, this allows me to also use the mixer for microphone records and other instrument recordings.

Below is a rough picture of how I do it with my laptop:


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