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#427518 - 08/25/17 09:58 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: edshaw]
jazzmammal Offline
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Originally Posted By: edshaw
Now that Band in a Box comes on its own hard drive, has that changed anything, as far as what computer to use?


No, that has nothing to do with it. The PGM hard drive is just another external storage device, it's not processing anything. The processing is done by your CPU in your computer.

Keith, you said you're not very technical and I can certainly see that's true. I sympathize because about 15 years ago I was right there with you. I decided to get into digital audio and knew absolutely squat about any of it. I could barely spell MIDI much less understand what it was.

First, Bob's Mantra: "Midi is not audio, audio is not MIDI, ommmm."

Once you understand that, the first question is what exactly are you recording? Are you using the Ketron as a sound source for Biab? If so that's for Biab's MIDI tracks, the Real Tracks/Drums are all audio, not MIDI so the Ketron is not doing anything with the RT/RD's

Next is do you sing, are you wanting to record your vocals?

Next do you want to record anyone else like a singer, a guitarist, whatever?

Right now you have a laptop and a Ketron. The Ketron is a synth that accepts a MIDI signal and converts that to audio. Go back to Bob's mantra and understand that. It converts MIDI to audio. How do you hear or record the audio? To simply hear it you take the RCA audio jacks out of the Ketron and plug them into your amp or studio monitors. To record that audio you have to run those RCA's into your laptop and then the audio FROM the laptop goes to your sound system unless you want to listen to everything on the little crappy laptop speakers. The headphone out's from the laptop can sound pretty good, you could use an audio adapter to run the audio from the headphone out to your sound system.

If your laptop has a line out but no line in then you need something to get the audio into the laptop. The only way is to use a USB interface. That interface plugs into your laptop using it's USB port, it's the USB that carries the audio from your Ketron. The interface has inputs for your mic or any instruments (which are audio inputs). That means you need an interface with two audio inputs for L and R stereo. Those come from the Ketron. You could use something as simple as this:

Behinger Line 2

ALL this does is run the audio out from the Ketron to a USB line into your laptop. Personally I think it's a waste of money because you'll realize you want some other inputs too like a mic for example. But if all you want is a way to get the audio from the Ketron to your laptop then this is all you need plus a couple of 1/4" to RCA adapters. Then use the headphone out of your laptop to your sound system.

This is enough of a lesson for the moment. Let us know exactly what you're trying to do.

Bob


Edited by jazzmammal (08/25/17 10:11 AM)
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#427528 - 08/25/17 11:00 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: edshaw]
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Originally Posted By: edshaw
Now that Band in a Box comes on its own hard drive, has that changed anything, as far as what computer to use?

I do not disagree with anything Bob jazzmammal said. I'll just point out that I think there is something to consider if you are really trying hard to squeeze out the best performance. BIAB runs fine from the supplied USB drive. But it will run better if the program is loaded onto an internal hard drive, and much better if loaded onto an internal SSD drive.

Most laptops you can buy have a SSD boot drive (the only drive) as standard or an option, but it isn't large enough capacity for all of BIAB, and maybe not even for just the program without the RealTracks. In a desktop, you can easily pop in a SSD just for the BIAB program; this is what I did. Then save the RealTracks on an internal fast hard drive that will always be faster than an external USB drive (again, this is what I did). Extreme and more expensive? Yes. But for me as a composer it is worth it.
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#427599 - 08/25/17 09:33 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: jazzmammal]
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Hi again,
Thank you all for your assistance.
John - thank for going to the trouble of showing me your set up - very impressive.

Matt - as always your knowledge & advice is always first class - thank you.

Bob -

Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
Keith, you said you're not very technical and I can certainly see that's true. I sympathize because about 15 years ago I was right there with you. I decided to get into digital audio and knew absolutely squat about any of it. I could barely spell MIDI much less understand what it was.


I still can't spell MDII smile


Next is do you sing, are you wanting to record your vocals?

No ... my singing is cr*p

Next do you want to record anyone else like a singer, a guitarist, whatever?

No, just me and my keyboard.



This is enough of a lesson for the moment. Let us know exactly what you're trying to do.

Bob


Bob , thank you. I was of the (mis)understanding that the signal coming out of the Ketron was MIDI, but now I understand that its not.
I can now look at finding a suitable connection as per your recommendation.

Thankyou once again for all of your help.
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#427665 - 08/26/17 10:06 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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OK, I see in your other thread you were asking about a MIDI to USB converter cable. In this thread I assumed you already had one of those because you said here you needed to get the audio out of your Ketron since the new laptop doesn't have a line in like the old one did. Since the Ketron can only produce audio from an incoming midi signal that begs the question, how have you been using the Ketron up to now if you don't already have a midi connection cable?

This is why I asked you exactly what are you planning to do with your equipment in this case a keyboard and the Ketron. To be specific:

1. What make and model of keyboard do you have and what kind of midi connections does it have?

2. How do want to use your keyboard? Is it to play along with Biab and you want to record the audio only? If you connect the midi from your keyboard to the Ketron you can use the Ketron for better/different sounds than what the keyboard produces internally.

3. When you use Biab do you use some midi styles or do you use all Real Tracks? Your Ketron can really make the midi styles come to life.

Answers to these questions will help us to figure out just what you need. it's possible you can get away with a couple of cheap midi to USB cables but lets find out.

Bob
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#427732 - 08/26/17 05:32 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Hi Bob,
Thanks for your continuing interest & help.
The previous thread you referred to relates to a replacement cable, rather than a new item.
My current setup (which works fine) is as follows:

Casio WK1800 keyboard -> Edirol UM1X interface - 1 DIN into Casio & the other into -> Ketron SD2. The USB from the interface into the Toshiba laptop. Ketron via RCAs to 3.5mm lead into line in of laptop.
Laptop headphone out via graphic equalizer into amp.

I've had the Ketron for a number of years now, and I absolutely love it. The sounds it produces, particularly the higher bank patches are great, and combined with Real Tracks, they make a simple piano player like me sound half good smile

I'm hoping that the solution will be simply a lead with RCA stereo jacks (from the Ketron) and a USB (to the new laptop).
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#427799 - 08/27/17 07:28 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
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Originally Posted By: Keith from Oz
Hi Bob,
.............

I'm hoping that the solution will be simply a lead with RCA stereo jacks (from the Ketron) and a USB (to the new laptop).



This should do the trick for you:

http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/253987-Technical-Pro-USB2RCA

Or something like this would also work:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/HDE-3-RCA-to-...ter&veh=sem

Good luck
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#427860 - 08/27/17 04:09 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: MarioD]
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Excellent, thank you Mario.
I'll hunt one down.
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#427878 - 08/27/17 07:00 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
edshaw Offline
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Here is a basic knowledge DAC summary.
Caution: it is an info-commercial, but a good one.

https://www.audioadvice.com/content/2016/11/22/what-is-a-dac/
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#428004 - 08/28/17 08:13 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: Keith from Oz]
edshaw Offline
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We need to know, you are not likely to run into the highest end studios and see a MacBook Pro running Garage Band, although I am told Willie's Austin studio has good ol' Pro Tools at the core.
You might see a rack of something like these:
http://tascam.com/product/da-3000/

Scroll down to the schematic and note the components include transformer (no 12v converter in the wall) DAC and ADC modules, and a few other things. run the And, the clock to snyc them. The channel faders are in another room.

I only point this out to advise you as to what you are hoping to duplicate with the system you are putting together. Don't spend too much time reinventing the wheel.

It doesn't take long to get up to $1,299 putting components together.
They have to balance. If it runs cakewalk, it probably will run BIAB.
If not, run the BIAB on a laptop.

http://tascam.com/product/trackfactory_project/

http://tascam.com/news/display/12606/


Edited by edshaw (08/28/17 08:30 PM)
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#428239 - 08/30/17 04:07 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: Can Someone please help? [Re: edshaw]
edshaw Offline
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Risking being rude by replying to my own post, one other general knowlege topic we should all be familiar with are is the processors.
Questions one: AMD or Intel?
Question two: Intel Core i5 or Intel Core i7?
Compare Intel processors.
Four core, eight thread, recomended for audio visual media work.
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