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#429123 - 09/07/17 11:14 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Tyros and BIAB
devonplayer Offline
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I have host midi lead to Tyros 4 from PC windows 7.

I am attempting to get my Tyros 4 yamaha to start BIAB play back when I place my left hand to keyboard and not using the green play button, I have investigated the Tyros midi function button at External Clock and fiddled with the buttons but no luck.
Can someone please help and oldie (80years)with an idiot type sheet instruction on how to proceed.
(I play on top of the Biab program for enjoyment only)

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#429133 - 09/08/17 03:35 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: devonplayer]
Pipeline Offline
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Quote:
I have host midi lead to Tyros 4


Are you using the USB port or a midi lead to your sound device.

In the MIDI Driver window select the Midi Input Device.

Click the Conductor button then Help.

Conductor Window - Live Looping/Playback control


As the song is playing, there are options to control the flow of playback by one of three methods:

1. Conductor window

2. QWERTY hot keys

3. MIDI keyboard

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#429162 - 09/08/17 09:34 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: devonplayer]
devonplayer Offline
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Thanks Pipeline,
Midi lead is from yamaha Tyros to PC and yamaha workstation1 is at midi on.

Some partial success using conductor (never noticed before) play does start with tick at midikeyboard , but speed of playback keeps varying.

Such as box comes up stating normal speed, quarter speed etc and even stops.
Any further tutition or information gratefully received.

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#429174 - 09/08/17 12:40 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: devonplayer]
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Example using the MIDI keyboard.

Assume Charlie is a piano player who uses his MIDI keyboard with Band-in-a-Box, and would like to play his keyboard, but also use it to control Band-in-a-Box.

He sets the conductor to allow his MIDI keyboard lowest notes A/Bb/B to turn the Conductor mode OFF/ON/Toggled-when held.

When he turns it off (low A note), he can play his keyboard normally.

If he wants to pause the song, he holds down the low B3 note as he presses the MIDI key for pause, which is G4. The song will pause, and the conductor mode turns off as he lets go of the B3 key, and he can resume his piano playing. If Charlie didn’t plan on using the MIDI keyboard for piano playing, he could leave it in conductor mode by turning it on with the A3 key.
Click to reveal..
Conductor Functions with MIDI Keys and QWERTY Hot Keys


Here are the various functions available using the Conductor. The MIDI key and QWERTY hot key are shown.

C3
Normal Tempo
Ctrl =

C#
Half Speed Tempo
Ctrl -

D3
Quarter Speed Tempo


Eb3
Eighth Speed Tempo


E3
Loop Section Enabled
NUMPAD 1

F3
Play with last chorus looped
Ctrl-NUMPAD 1

F#3
Play with middle choruses looped
Ctrl-NUMPAD 2

G3
Play with middle and last choruses looped
Ctrl-NUMPAD 3

G#3
Jump to last chorus (no loop)
Ctrl-NUMPAD 4

A3
Jump to ending (no loop)
Ctrl-NUMPAD 5

Bb3
Loop notation screen


B3
Decrease Tempo by 1
Shift [

C4(48)
Increase Tempo by 1
Shift ]

Db4
Decrease Tempo by 5
[

D4
Increase Tempo by 5
]

Eb4
Tap tempo
- (press 4 times)

E4
Tap Tempo and play
= (press 4 times)

F4
Play
F4

F#4
Stop
Escape

G4
Pause
Backspace (or Ctrl H)

G#4
Replay
Ctrl A

A4
MIDI Panic
F12

Bb4
Previous Song
Ctrl-Shift-F8

B4
Next Song
Shift-F8

C5(60)
This is a control character for THRU patches. When C5 is held down, pressing MIDI notes 61/62 decrease/increase the THRU patch by one, and 63-72 change THRU patches to Favorite patches.

Db5
Open Notation Window
Ctrl-W

D5
Lead sheet Window
Alt-W

Eb5
Reduce All Volumes by 5
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Q

E5
Increase all Volumes by 5
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-W

F5
ALL Mute/Unmute
Alt-2

F#5
Bass Mute/Unmute
Alt-3

G5
Piano Mute/Unmute
Alt-4

G#5
Drums/Unmute
Alt-5

A5
Guitar Mute/Unmute
Alt-6

Bb5
Strings Mute/Unmute
Alt-7

B5
Melody/Unmute
Alt-9

C6
Soloist Mute/Unmute
Alt-8

Db6
THRU Mute/Unmute
Alt 0

F6 to D7
Jump to Sections 1-10 of the song
1-9 and 0

D6
Audio Mute


Eb7
Loop Current Chorus
a

E7
Loop Current Section
s

F7
Loop Current Bar
z

F#7
Loop Current 4 Bars
x

G7
Loop current Part
c

Ab7
Looping ON, previous setting
v

A7
Looping OFF
b

Bb7
Go Back 1 Chorus
Ctrl a

B7
Go Back 1 Section
Ctrl s

C8
Go Back 1 Screen
Ctrl d

Db8
Go Back 1 Bar
Ctrl z

D8
Go Back 4 Bars
Ctrl x

Eb8
Go Back 1 Part marker
Ctrl c

E8
Go Ahead 1 Chorus
Shift A

F8
Go Ahead 1 Section
Shift S

F#8
Go Ahead 1 Screen
Shift D

G8
Go Ahead 1 Bar
Shift Z

Ab8
Go Ahead 4 Bars
Shift X

A8
Go Ahead 1 Part marker
Shift C


In addition, using the MIDI keyboard, you can also use the Conductor to:

A1
(note#21)Turn MIDI Conductor OFF

Bb1
Turn MIDI Conductor ON

B1
Turn MIDI Conductor ON only as note is held down

You can also get a USB Foot Switch to do this and set it to the Biab Play/Stop and Conductor hotkeys.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FS3-P-USB-Triple-Foot-Switch-Pedal-Control-Keyboard-Mouse-Plastic-SE-/122545962530?epid=1769235767



Attachments
BB_Conductor.jpg



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#429193 - 09/08/17 03:47 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: devonplayer]
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Devonplayer,

Have you tried the "Options | Preferences" setting that I've highlighted on the image below?

While this setting doesn't offer the versatility that comes with Pipeline's suggestions, it might do the job for you.

The option is found on the first screen that appears once Preferences is opened.

My understanding of this feature, and I could be wrong because I haven't tried it, is that you press the "Generate" button first. Playback won't start immediately, though, because BIAB is waiting for a signal from either the MIDI keyboard or the QWERTY keyboard. Once that signal is received, playback begins.

Hope this helps,
Noel


Attachments
external start.JPG


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LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


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#429199 - 09/08/17 05:02 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: Noel96]
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Good thinkin' 99 !

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#429220 - 09/08/17 11:32 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: Pipeline]
devonplayer Offline
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Thanks guys for all that information, (its 7am here in UK and the boss will not let me switch on BIAB/Tyros)
But those instructions must work.
I can now understand why I was getting those queer deviations at speed etc.
Those pedals might be a step too far, there are already two and volume pedals going to Tyros. My little old brain might not cope with 6 of them.

Will let you all know how things go.

Thanks again. John, Devonplayer

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#429221 - 09/08/17 11:47 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: devonplayer]
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Haven't you ever flown a helicopter !

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#429222 - 09/09/17 12:06 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: Pipeline]
devonplayer Offline
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Yes in microsoft flight simulator but I was younger then.

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#429226 - 09/09/17 01:34 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: Pipeline]
devonplayer Offline
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OK guys, some success but inconsistancies, perfect operation sometimes and then corruptions take place.
Even the Tyros midi function page gets changed and BIAB takes a resetting like going back to Prefs switching off those new instructions to get any normal BIAB function like having to go back to the green arrow again.

AND when working how do you get the automatic start to stop at the end of the play without using the stop button at BIAB.

Perhaps I need to come back in a few days when the old grey matter as solved these problems for me.

Will be in touch and thanks all for your guidance.
Devonplayer

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#429235 - 09/09/17 03:45 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: devonplayer]
Pipeline Offline
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What about a small wireless keyboard on top of your Tyros, then you just hit the spacebar to play/stop.






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#429631 - 09/13/17 12:45 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: Pipeline]
devonplayer Offline
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Registered: 12/07/04
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Now that did work using my pc keyboard.

Attaching a photograph of my BIAB/Tyros set up, the pink cross locates the pc keyboard which is not very convenient a wireless board would be handy.

The set up at the photograph does work well the mouse is handy so perhaps I should be thankful for some purposes.

Thanks all.

yamaha tyros set up

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#429633 - 09/13/17 01:16 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: devonplayer]
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Great setup you got there.

You can try MIDI Hotkey Portable http://www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABLE-SOFTWARE/Multimedia/Audio/MIDI-Hotkey-Portable.shtml

Right click > Properties > Compatibility > XP > Run as Admin
you can set it to the high C or low C to send the spacebar keystroke.
Set other keys to any other keystroke or hotkeys.

Converts signals from midi devices (e.g. epiano) to keystrokes

MIDI Hotkey Portable is a handy and reliable utility designed to enable you to control your computer using a midi device like a piano. Not only can you configure the notes you can also configure the sustain pedal, play, stop, record buttons.

There are many ways to use MIDI Hotkey Portable: You can use this software to make recording easier (e.g. control cubase, samplitude, using your electric piano). But also you are able to launch programs like firefox or even control the mouse.


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#429643 - 09/13/17 05:04 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Tyros and BIAB [Re: Pipeline]
devonplayer Offline
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Thanks Pipeline, thats a new one on me.

Let you all know how I get on. (Doc. around at the present time)

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