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Looking for advice.
I am working on an album to be released in about a month using BIAB. Some of the songs are new and i need to copyright them. Others are older songs that I have copyrights for as acoustic demos. Do I need to update the existing copyrights if there are no major changes in lyrics, melody or chord progression? If so can I update those songs at the same time as I file to copyright the new songs?
Any advice is appreciated.
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I am not a lawyer, but I believe the following is true: You should not need to update copyright on existing songs, and you still own the rights, so what you do with them is your choice. You should copyright the new ones, however. And remember, chord progressions are not copyrightable (otherwise, there would only be a single blues song in the world).  But the lyrics and melody are. There is more to it, but I would definitely look at the copyright office web site, and possibly even consult with a lawyer knowledgeable about copyright law. And as I said, I am not a lawyer.
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Thanks John. I thought I remembered it being just melody and lyrics that were covered by copyright. So all should be gpod.
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When I re-record one of my songs with some differences, as long as it is obvious to me it's the same song and I call it the same song, I don't copyright the new version. But I'm not a music attorney either.
In one case (soon to be more), my wife added lyrics to my song. I did re-register that, and also filed with BMI to add her as a co-writer.
The specific performance (CD) can be copyrighted as well.
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I am new to the site and I read in registering that all posts are owned also by PGmusic. Does that mean when I post one of my songs I am giving up partial ownership?
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I am new to the site and I read in registering that all posts are owned also by PGmusic. Does that mean when I post one of my songs I am giving up partial ownership?
No, you are not giving away anything. You keep all rights to your song. All that's posted on the PG Music site is a link to your work that's hosted elsewhere (on your own site).
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You can't post an audio file directly to the site. Instead you post the file where ever you want (popular sites include YouTube, SoundClick, SoundCloud, Reverb Nation, Bandcamp; some users have a personal or business website that stores their files) and then post a link to the file.
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Looking for advice.
I am working on an album to be released in about a month using BIAB. Some of the songs are new and i need to copyright them. Others are older songs that I have copyrights for as acoustic demos. Do I need to update the existing copyrights if there are no major changes in lyrics, melody or chord progression? If so can I update those songs at the same time as I file to copyright the new songs?
Any advice is appreciated. In short no, assuming they are your originals and were copyrighted by you in the past. However... If there is a significant change in the song or you have edited the song, added a new line, changed a melody, then yes, you should probably copyright again. Since you have new songs to be copyrighted, here's my recommendation. Submit the new copyright as a collection and simply include the older songs. You can and should refer back to the original copyright registration numbers for the songs that you hold previous copyright on. The copyright form asks if any part of the composition is used from another registered work... so you should check yes and include the copyright number that is in your name.
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I am new to the site and I read in registering that all posts are owned also by PGmusic. Does that mean when I post one of my songs I am giving up partial ownership?
FWIW the owner of this site has stated many times that if you use the software to create the song, you own the rights to the song (not PGMusic), so I am curious as to which forum rules you reference. I think the 'All Posts' reference mentioned may mean they can delete or edit the actual forum post if deemed necessary. Like a general protection measure so we don't see 200 'Stairway To Heaven' posts causing legal costs for PGMusic. After all, it IS their forum, given freely for us to use. I do not think this implies any ownership to a song. More of a 'Forum' control rule to protect the Forums. Hope that helps (?) That said; if you did indeed make a copy of someone's work and post a link, I would expect PGMusic to want to have the means to remove or edit the post .. since this is a copyright violation. As long as it is legally 'yours' you will likely encounter no issues. I am not a lawyer, just explaining how I would interpret that notice.
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I am new to the site and I read in registering that all posts are owned also by PGmusic. Does that mean when I post one of my songs I am giving up partial ownership?
FWIW the owner of this site has stated many times that if you use the software to create the song, you own the rights to the song (not PGMusic), so I am curious as to which forum rules you reference. I think the 'All Posts' reference mentioned may mean they can delete or edit the actual forum post if deemed necessary. Like a general protection measure so we don't see 200 'Stairway To Heaven' posts causing legal costs for PGMusic. After all, it IS their forum, given freely for us to use. I do not think this implies any ownership to a song. More of a 'Forum' control rule to protect the Forums. Hope that helps (?) That said; if you did indeed make a copy of someone's work and post a link, I would expect PGMusic to want to have the means to remove or edit the post .. since this is a copyright violation. As long as it is legally 'yours' you will likely encounter no issues. I am not a lawyer, just explaining how I would interpret that notice. exactly. I'm not splitting my royalty checks with anyone. BMI sends me the full amount. PG tells you that as a licensed user, the music you create with their software is yours and they don't own any percentage of it.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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