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Just sharing http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/yamaha-genos-76-key-flagship-arranger-workstation?src=3TP7K2D&mscr=2088113_50310When I heard about the new Genos about a month ago I was tempted get one (I already have a Montage) but now that I see MSRP - no way!
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Wow, you're right! That's painful. I'll be passing on that one too!
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Supersedes the Tyros 5 eh? I'm not even considering ordering until I at least see Peter Baartmans set one on fire, like this PS: it must be good 
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Bartmans is the best. I've got pretty much all of his demo's bookmarked, he's so much fun to watch and listen to.
When people say how expensive this or that keyboard is I still just laugh. Back in the day my B3, Leslie and Rhodes cost me roughly $3,500 in 1973. Bring that forward to now and how much is that? I just checked an inflation calculator. It's right at $20,000 in today's money. All bought used of course with help from my grandfather. New? Maybe double that. Those were the required tools needed for me to make a living for about 15 years.
Top line arrangers like this are basically replacements for a grand piano. How much is one of those?
Modern tech has brought the prices down so much I'm still shocked at how affordable the best is now. I have a Hammond SK1 I bought used for $1,200. $1,200 for a pretty good B3 replacement! You kidding me?
That's 3 pairs of basketball shoes now. A nice pickup truck is 45K. People load those up with jet ski's, dirt bikes, a half ton of camping gear, whatever. What does that stuff cost? 5 G's for a top piece of gear for a useful and fun hobby is nothing in the modern world.
But, we have to prioritize, we already have a lot of stuff. For me I've vowed any new keyboards I get MUST be financed by selling what I already have. It's getting ridiculous around here...
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... It's getting ridiculous around here...
Bob You need to see my house (and I haven't gigged or made a dime since I was 18!) I'm strictly a "great in my own mind" player now a days  It isn't the ONE $5K keyboard, it's the OTHER scores of $1K-$3K things and the many hundreds of under $1K things you buy/accumulate over many years (picks, stings, mics, cables, headphones, racks, stands, misc. modules, stomp boxes, pedals...)! and that's only HW music related stuff. Which makes me mention this: this past year I seriously started thinking about wife and how I need to start divesting (soon?) of "stuff" so she doesn't have to deal with it someday. While I have an up-to-date spreadsheet with serial numbers, when/where bought, price paid for EVERYTHING (and receipts to prove 99.9% of it) it would not be a real useful guide for her on how much to ask for things; e.g., a lot of electronics depreciate significantly as soon as we get it home (worse than auto's) but then things like my '66 ES-335 go UP or hold value (adjusted for inflation). You need to know current market and understand the thing you are selling when it comes to specialized stuff (e.g., music gear) - but for her she doesn't have a clue because she is not involved and has no interest in it. Other stuff like my firearm collection hold value so selling them at near purchase price should be easy. I don't want to leave them for her to deal with but I can't face getting rid of it (yet) so it's a matter of timing Larry PS anyone wants to come to house and start helping me divest "come on down" I think I'll dump amps first, along with some redundant synths, a few guitars and some stomp boxes. But like the sign says: "in God we trust - all others bring cash"
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I'll just have to continue getting by my with my sub-$500 Casio keyboards. That being said, my Kurzweil Mark 5 Digital Piano did set me back about $4000 (that was about 20 years ago though, but I've saved a ton of money not having to have it tuned). Of course, it sits in the living, not my man cave where my computers are, but I still love its sounds. 
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It seems to me that the major manufacturers are following the PG Music Method of using wave files for voices now?
I'd MUCH rather have Biab then an expensive keyboard. I doubt the keyboard has as much versatility as Biab has anyways?
Kudos to PG for his hard work and bringing so much satisfaction to us Biab owners !
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Biab and a good arranger are apples and oranges. What I'm about to say comes from the pov of a live performer, everything I do at home is geared towards that.
Biab is a lot of fun, I love it but it's not great for live performing because I'm a player not a singer. I'm not Peter Bartmans but I'm pretty decent. You have to be a good player to get the best out of an arranger. Do you know that they all, even the 5K ones have what's called One Finger playing? Hit an A note by itself in the lower LH range of the keyboard and you get a major triad backing in the key of A. Hit the A and the Bb you get a 7th. Hit the A and Ab you get a minor triad. That is enough to play lots of songs simply. It's also pretty lame sounding. It turns your 5K keyboard into a $200 pos from Costco.
You have to have some good skills to really make it sing. My Korg recognizes 5 note chords including maj9, 13, and different inversions. But your left hand has to be good enough to hit those accurately. Miss a note and your whole band plays it. It has lower note bass, or chord tone bass or manual bass. Lower note bass is cool because you can make it play descending chromatic bass lines. It has full keyboard piano recognition meaning it takes the chord from both hands anywhere on the keyboard. That's what Bartmans is doing in the vid. He probably has a pedalboard with 5 pedals maybe. Each one does different things like holding a chord so it temporarily ignores what your hands are doing. That's how he's able to do all the great two handed piano technique without messing up the chords.
It takes real skill, practice and experience to figure all that out. Biab on the other hand can't do any of that during live playing. The Conductor has nothing to with any of that, all it does is allow you to jump between different sections of your pregenerated song. I usually play with 4 or 5 piece bands but when I do a duo gig with just me and a singer I'll use my Korg and it's great fun. I'm controlling the whole band live, I can change keys on the fly or vamp an intro while she talks or whatever else I feel like doing.
But to just sit back in my couch and surf around all the Biab styles and play with the RT's to come up with something cool is also tons of fun but completely different than me playing an arranger.
Bob
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