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#434210 - 10/19/17 09:59 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I


Edited by JoanneCooper (10/19/17 10:03 AM)

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#434225 - 10/19/17 10:54 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JoanneCooper]
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Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.

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#434231 - 10/19/17 11:35 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: MarioD]
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Yeah these sound great too!
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#434236 - 10/19/17 12:00 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.


Y'all ARE joking, right?

A 68 year old rock'n'roller - who's entire career is steeped in the tradition of rock and folk - and prides himself on that - singing an old Negro spiritual - first recorded 100 years ago - in an arrangement that is basically Dixieland/New Orleans/Folk using all acoustic (traditional) instruments.

And THAT is you definition of "modern"?
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#434238 - 10/19/17 12:12 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: floyd jane]
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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.


Y'all ARE joking, right?

A 68 year old rock'n'roller - who's entire career is steeped in the tradition of rock and folk - and prides himself on that - singing an old Negro spiritual - first recorded 100 years ago - in an arrangement that is basically Dixieland/New Orleans/Folk using all acoustic (traditional) instruments.

And THAT is
you definition of "modern"?

Hi Floyd. I am confused why you would not think this is a modern rendition (produced in 2013) of a song that is probably 100 years old. It certainly is more modern than other versions of this song. I think the problem comes in with defining the term "modern". It means different things to different people

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#434242 - 10/19/17 12:26 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JoanneCooper]
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Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper

Hi Floyd. I am confused why you would not think this is a modern rendition (produced in 2013) of a song that is probably 100 years old. It certainly is more modern than other versions of this song. I think the problem comes in with defining the term "modern". It means different things to different people


If that is your definition, okay, that's fine. Just because something was done recently (2005, actually) doesn't make it a modern rendition. To me it sounds like an old spiritual done in an old spiritual manner - quite a traditional style. But, like you say, different strokes.
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#434243 - 10/19/17 12:26 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: floyd jane]
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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.


Y'all ARE joking, right?

A 68 year old rock'n'roller - who's entire career is steeped in the tradition of rock and folk - and prides himself on that - singing an old Negro spiritual - first recorded 100 years ago - in an arrangement that is basically Dixieland/New Orleans/Folk using all acoustic (traditional) instruments.

And THAT is you definition of "modern"?


This one by Bluegrass artist Dan Tyminski may be a better example??? It's certainly not his Oh Brother Where Art Thou persona of Man of Constant Sorrow...

Southern Gothic
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#434252 - 10/19/17 01:11 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: Charlie Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle

This one by Bluegrass artist Dan Tyminski may be a better example???

Southern Gothic



Oh, yeah. That's cool. Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Charlie.
(And, there's no reason you couldn't emulate this in BIAB. Are you working on it?).
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#434256 - 10/19/17 01:42 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: floyd jane]
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People, people, people! ALL these choices are so wrong.

THIS is the sound of modern.

Now everybody get out their midi style 0s and get back to work.

Ok?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1v0o2ItL4g

Jeez!! Dang!!
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#434293 - 10/19/17 05:41 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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eek Some of us are old farts - that's the problem. I thought I was making a point of listening to modern music (by my standards) on my way to and from work. Last night I put on what I thought was modern only to be immediately put in my place by my 12 year old who switched to Spotify.... with a knowing look and a sigh.

On reflection this was the modern part of my playlist yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nkFq1hv6L8 (5 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvYUfwMBCrU (6 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqCpjFMvz-k (7 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450p7goxZqg (4 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8UX2bbCHJw (3 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYZMT8otKdI (2 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6iYWJxHqs (7 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM (4 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v_4O44sfjM (5 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-EO5I60KA (3 years)

I think a lot of us never actually really listen to modern music - good or bad. She has a point. cry Also I'm a bit of a romantic. Worse still, my live set is from 30 - 80 years old! cry whistle

These would be more to her taste:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2qgadSvNyU&list=PL3oW2tjiIxvQ1BZS58qtot3-p-lD32oWT
If you want to be current, then you have to listen to these grin


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#434313 - 10/19/17 07:41 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: Charlie Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.


Y'all ARE joking, right?

A 68 year old rock'n'roller - who's entire career is steeped in the tradition of rock and folk - and prides himself on that - singing an old Negro spiritual - first recorded 100 years ago - in an arrangement that is basically Dixieland/New Orleans/Folk using all acoustic (traditional) instruments.

And THAT is you definition of "modern"?


This one by Bluegrass artist Dan Tyminski may be a better example??? It's certainly not his Oh Brother Where Art Thou persona of Man of Constant Sorrow...

Southern Gothic



Cool track Charlie. Can you find something similar for a public domain song and I will accept the challenge from j*3. (Then, if if turns out well I can submit for licensing...)

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#434314 - 10/19/17 07:52 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JoanneCooper]
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Ok. If you want to do a modern project I'll be glad to help you anyway you think I can. I will PM you with a song I'd actually been thinking of doing and been playing around with it in BIAB. (Yes Floyd, I'm sure it can be done in BIAB) ;=)

May be late tomorrow before I can get a message out. I have a 200 mile trip to take tomorrow early.
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#434322 - 10/19/17 10:17 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: Charlie Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
This one by Bluegrass artist Dan Tyminski may be a better example??? It's certainly not his Oh Brother Where Art Thou persona of Man of Constant Sorrow...

Southern Gothic


Charlie,

This is a great song! Thanks for posting the link. I doubt that I'd ever have stumbled across this.

Regards,
Noel
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#434328 - 10/20/17 02:26 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: floyd jane]
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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.


Y'all ARE joking, right?

A 68 year old rock'n'roller - who's entire career is steeped in the tradition of rock and folk - and prides himself on that - singing an old Negro spiritual - first recorded 100 years ago - in an arrangement that is basically Dixieland/New Orleans/Folk using all acoustic (traditional) instruments.

And THAT is you definition of "modern"?

I assumed Joanne was joking so my reply was joking.

By modern I meant something written and recorded and charted within the last five years or so. Maybe something like,

Imagine Dragons - I Bet My Life or Thunder
Sia - Chandelier or Elastic Heart
Rag'n'Bone Man - Human or Skin
Lorde - Green Light or Royals
JP Cooper - September Song
Ed Sheeran - Thinking Out Loud
Avicii - Wake Me Up

Some of these seem "doable" with some serious editing and combining RealTracks from various styles. I guess I see how it could be done but it still seems like BIAB is designed to create almost instant classics whereas more modern music would require a greater effort that includes some serious editing.

Just in going through these I am seeing pop really depends on strong vocals or even vocals with f/x. Of course BIAB cannot help with that part! I guess I am seeing the possibilities but I still need to learn a lot.

And I welcome anyone's advice on how to best create modern stuff with BIAB!

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#434330 - 10/20/17 04:23 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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J*3 are you wanting to "reproduce" these songs exactly using RealTracks? If so I am not the person to show you how to do it. laugh What I can do is produce my own rendition of a song that I would call "modern" but it wont sound like the original. There are definitely others on this forum who would be able to do this using MIDI (or a mixture of MIDI and RealTracks). If so, my question would be "why". If not and you want one of your original songs to sound this way you have to have
1. A GREAT song
2. Excellent arranging skills
3. Fantastic vocals.

None of these can BIAB help you with.

PS. This guys is the biggest thing in SA at the moment.... https://youtu.be/S1XHMF4ft50


Edited by JoanneCooper (10/20/17 06:11 AM)

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#434335 - 10/20/17 06:37 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JoanneCooper]
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J*3 are you wanting to "reproduce" these songs exactly using RealTracks? If so I am not the person to show you how to do it. laugh What I can do is produce my own rendition of a song that I would call "modern" but it wont sound like the original. There are definitely others on this forum who would be able to do this using MIDI (or a mixture of MIDI and RealTracks). If so, my question would be "why". If not and you want one of your original songs to sound this way you have to have
1. A GREAT song
2. Excellent arranging skills
3. Fantastic vocals.

None of these can BIAB help you with.

PS. This guys is the biggest thing in SA at the moment.... https://youtu.be/S1XHMF4ft50


Bingo! that's correct.

Yep, that's a great example of "modern" music.

You can duplicate pretty closely some of the radio songs that aren't standard pattern songs.... I've done one that was really close...a cover tune but, I'm not able to post it online. Rules and such..... To accomplish it, I had to play much of the song parts myself and use BB where it could fit nicely. I found a style that was pretty close and spent time editing as needed. All depends on your skill levels and how much time you're willing to spend on it.
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#434336 - 10/20/17 06:42 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: Noel96]
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Originally Posted By: Noel96
Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
This one by Bluegrass artist Dan Tyminski may be a better example??? It's certainly not his Oh Brother Where Art Thou persona of Man of Constant Sorrow...

Southern Gothic


Charlie,

This is a great song! Thanks for posting the link. I doubt that I'd ever have stumbled across this.

Regards,
Noel



For those interested, you can listen to entire album on NPR - though, it releases today, so the listening part will be removed soon...

I listened to the whole thing last night. It is EXCELLENT. and a very good example of "current" - or "modern" if you will... which pretty much just means.... add a BEAT to what you are doing...

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/12/556939387/first-listen-tyminski-southern-gothic
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#434369 - 10/20/17 09:49 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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I've only been using BIAB for a couple months now and I do not have the full version yet. I am working with the 2011 version with the Country Real Pak Vol. 1 add on. I feel a bit limited with what I have at the moment but I can see the potential of what I can do with BIAB. I plan on getting the full version in January but as for now here is my take on it.

I am currently putting together an album of original songs that have a outlaw country feel to them. I would never have been able to do this on my own without BIAB as I don't play many of the instruments that I wanted to use to give it an authentic country sound. I have played the instrumentals I created for the bass player in my band and he is amazed by the quality that you can get form BIAB real tracks. He has sent me instrumentals to write to before that he produced using samples and MIDI. They sound good but the BIAB tracks sound more natural and the quality is better. He is envious of what I have been able to do in such a short time with BIAB and says that he hates and loves it at the same time. He will probably be a BIAB user in the near future (I'm quite sure of it.)

As far as making modern sounding music with BIAB I believe that it will be possible when I purchase the full version. I may have to add in some MIDI and VST instruments to get the drums and synths needed to make a modern pop hit but I believe that all the basics needed can be found here in BIAB. I look forward to challenging myself to use the program to it's fullest extent and seeing what I can come up with.
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#434377 - 10/20/17 10:41 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: Samuel Davis]
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Originally Posted By: Samuel Davis

As far as making modern sounding music with BIAB I believe that it will be possible when I purchase the full version. I may have to add in some MIDI and VST instruments to get the drums and synths needed to make a modern pop hit but I believe that all the basics needed can be found here in BIAB. I look forward to challenging myself to use the program to it's fullest extent and seeing what I can come up with.


Exactly, if you just spend some time in the styles section and look at the techno, eletronica, and dubstep sections you can find 80% of this in sample loops that will play themselves.

Then go find a mandolin and the right acoustic.

Next find a Real drum track and layer it in, and use a lot of EQ and reverb so it will thump.

Lastly, fill in missing percussion or synth parts with Sample Tank 3 or something similar. Done.

20 minutes.

It's not that hard.
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#434388 - 10/20/17 12:31 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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Originally Posted By: David Snyder
Originally Posted By: Samuel Davis

As far as making modern sounding music with BIAB I believe that it will be possible when I purchase the full version. I may have to add in some MIDI and VST instruments to get the drums and synths needed to make a modern pop hit but I believe that all the basics needed can be found here in BIAB. I look forward to challenging myself to use the program to it's fullest extent and seeing what I can come up with.


Exactly, if you just spend some time in the styles section and look at the techno, eletronica, and dubstep sections you can find 80% of this in sample loops that will play themselves.

Then go find a mandolin and the right acoustic.

Next find a Real drum track and layer it in, and use a lot of EQ and reverb so it will thump.

Lastly, fill in missing percussion or synth parts with Sample Tank 3 or something similar. Done.

20 minutes.

It's not that hard.

You sure do make it sound easy David! Any chance you'd do a "20 minute" example with maybe a brief blog-type how-to post? Please!! I have been enjoying (and learning from) the blog posts from a couple of other forum folks and this would make a really popular one I would think. Pretty please??? laugh

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