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#434187 - 10/19/17 08:56 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: Guitarhacker]
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Herb,

Ugh....no. He was so fired up about pulling an all star band together to copy the sound that I thought I would just clear my throat and mumble and let him go about his networking.

My mic cable came unplugged at that point Herb. Not my fault. It was not a lack of transparency man, just bad wiring you know?

Well, I guess I better write some more tunes.

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#434190 - 10/19/17 09:03 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: jford]
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Originally Posted By: jford
David, here's a link to Matt's CD. I bought shortly after Matt discussed it previously on the forum.

I've also had the privilege of hearing him and his band play live (along with their local symphony orchestra). Much fun. My understanding is that while the songs started in BIAB, everything on the album is a live performance by extremely talented musicians. It's a good listen.





Awesome!!! Studio Quality!!!! That's what I'm talking about right there. I'm going to get this.
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#434194 - 10/19/17 09:12 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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Originally Posted By: David Snyder
Originally Posted By: jford
David, here's a link to Matt's CD. I bought shortly after Matt discussed it previously on the forum.

I've also had the privilege of hearing him and his band play live (along with their local symphony orchestra). Much fun. My understanding is that while the songs started in BIAB, everything on the album is a live performance by extremely talented musicians. It's a good listen.





Awesome!!! Studio Quality!!!! That's what I'm talking about right there. I'm going to get this.


You might want to consider getting Matt's wife's CDs:

http://denisejordanfinley.com/albums/

They are also studio quality. My wife has played "Solstice" so many times that if it was vinyl it would have been ruined by now and we got it when we went Matt and Denise in July!
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#434199 - 10/19/17 09:24 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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A very interesting thread David. Thanks for starting it.

j*3 have you tried the bonus styles to try and get a more modern sound out of biab? They are great (and completely different and modern...imho).

I was listening to a podcast a while back and they were talking about the musicians who differentiate themselves by recording unusual instruments together like "pedal steel, banjo and a cello". Heck! We do that all the time over here!

I actually like telling people I make my music with biab. Not only do I feel like I "owe" pg music for providing me with this wonderful product that has transformed my musical life but I actually do like helping people to improve their own sound which, If they are prepared to put in the work and learn the product they can usually do.

I have a young guy in Serbia who does final mixing of a lot of my tracks for licensing and he makes a lot of electronic music that is very popular on SoundCloud. He works with lots of different artists but I can safely say that I am his favorite! He absolutely loves getting my tracks and putting a final shine on them. Btw he would purchase bias himself but says it is too expensive...a while back I wrote and recorded a track specifically for an opportunity in one day. He could not believe it was possible (it has subsequently been licensed... will post a link shortly.

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#434206 - 10/19/17 09:43 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JoanneCooper]
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Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
j*3 have you tried the bonus styles to try and get a more modern sound out of biab? They are great (and completely different and modern...imho).

Yep, I have bought every RealTrack and every RealStyle since 2012 and played around with all of them except jazz. It seems super simple to create classic sounding songs...just enter a chord progression...change chorus to b style...and it just works! Magical, really! Maybe I just don't know the product well enough but I can't get modern music out of the box! How about a new Joanne Cooper video on how to create 2017 music with BIAB?

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I feel like I "owe" pg music for providing me with this wonderful product that has transformed my musical life

No doubt BIAB has provided me with tools to quickly improve my music and I am glad I discovered it! As for owing PG...nope, I have been sending them money for 5 years and expect to continue so no debt there!! laugh

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#434210 - 10/19/17 09:59 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I


Edited by JoanneCooper (10/19/17 10:03 AM)

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#434225 - 10/19/17 10:54 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JoanneCooper]
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Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.

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#434231 - 10/19/17 11:35 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: MarioD]
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Yeah these sound great too!
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#434236 - 10/19/17 12:00 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
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Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.


Y'all ARE joking, right?

A 68 year old rock'n'roller - who's entire career is steeped in the tradition of rock and folk - and prides himself on that - singing an old Negro spiritual - first recorded 100 years ago - in an arrangement that is basically Dixieland/New Orleans/Folk using all acoustic (traditional) instruments.

And THAT is you definition of "modern"?
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#434238 - 10/19/17 12:12 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: floyd jane]
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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.


Y'all ARE joking, right?

A 68 year old rock'n'roller - who's entire career is steeped in the tradition of rock and folk - and prides himself on that - singing an old Negro spiritual - first recorded 100 years ago - in an arrangement that is basically Dixieland/New Orleans/Folk using all acoustic (traditional) instruments.

And THAT is
you definition of "modern"?

Hi Floyd. I am confused why you would not think this is a modern rendition (produced in 2013) of a song that is probably 100 years old. It certainly is more modern than other versions of this song. I think the problem comes in with defining the term "modern". It means different things to different people

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#434242 - 10/19/17 12:26 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: JoanneCooper]
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Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper

Hi Floyd. I am confused why you would not think this is a modern rendition (produced in 2013) of a song that is probably 100 years old. It certainly is more modern than other versions of this song. I think the problem comes in with defining the term "modern". It means different things to different people


If that is your definition, okay, that's fine. Just because something was done recently (2005, actually) doesn't make it a modern rendition. To me it sounds like an old spiritual done in an old spiritual manner - quite a traditional style. But, like you say, different strokes.
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#434243 - 10/19/17 12:26 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: floyd jane]
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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
J*3.not a bad idea. Post a link of something you think sounds "modern" and I will try. Bear in mind I tend to do pop, Americana and country more than jazz, rock or blues☺️ I won't try to recreate it exactly but will try to make it sound "modern".

Something like this maybe? https://youtu.be/tebjshm7f_I

yeah, that's a perfect example of modern. do that one.


Y'all ARE joking, right?

A 68 year old rock'n'roller - who's entire career is steeped in the tradition of rock and folk - and prides himself on that - singing an old Negro spiritual - first recorded 100 years ago - in an arrangement that is basically Dixieland/New Orleans/Folk using all acoustic (traditional) instruments.

And THAT is you definition of "modern"?


This one by Bluegrass artist Dan Tyminski may be a better example??? It's certainly not his Oh Brother Where Art Thou persona of Man of Constant Sorrow...

Southern Gothic
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#434252 - 10/19/17 01:11 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: Charlie Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle

This one by Bluegrass artist Dan Tyminski may be a better example???

Southern Gothic



Oh, yeah. That's cool. Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Charlie.
(And, there's no reason you couldn't emulate this in BIAB. Are you working on it?).
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#434256 - 10/19/17 01:42 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: floyd jane]
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People, people, people! ALL these choices are so wrong.

THIS is the sound of modern.

Now everybody get out their midi style 0s and get back to work.

Ok?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1v0o2ItL4g

Jeez!! Dang!!
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#434293 - 10/19/17 05:41 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: BIAB as Disruptive Technology [Re: David Snyder]
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eek Some of us are old farts - that's the problem. I thought I was making a point of listening to modern music (by my standards) on my way to and from work. Last night I put on what I thought was modern only to be immediately put in my place by my 12 year old who switched to Spotify.... with a knowing look and a sigh.

On reflection this was the modern part of my playlist yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nkFq1hv6L8 (5 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvYUfwMBCrU (6 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqCpjFMvz-k (7 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=450p7goxZqg (4 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8UX2bbCHJw (3 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYZMT8otKdI (2 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6iYWJxHqs (7 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM (4 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v_4O44sfjM (5 years)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-EO5I60KA (3 years)

I think a lot of us never actually really listen to modern music - good or bad. She has a point. cry Also I'm a bit of a romantic. Worse still, my live set is from 30 - 80 years old! cry whistle

These would be more to her taste:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2qgadSvNyU&list=PL3oW2tjiIxvQ1BZS58qtot3-p-lD32oWT
If you want to be current, then you have to listen to these grin


Edited by lambada (10/19/17 08:57 PM)
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