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#434545 - 10/21/17 04:51 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] biab lost me a steady gig
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Got to my after jazz fest party in Deland fla(Noble Watts Jazz fest) and biab stopped working at my restuarant gig. Drove an hr to get disc & it no longer installs from D drive on windows 10 Lost $$$$$$$$$$ for years. Owner won't ever use me again being I made him & myself the fools from biab fail !

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#434552 - 10/21/17 05:43 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Sounds like a hardware failure and nothing to do with BIAB......
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#434553 - 10/21/17 05:44 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Originally Posted By: jim graves
Got to my after jazz fest party in Deland fla(Noble Watts Jazz fest) and biab stopped working at my restuarant gig. Drove an hr to get disc & it no longer installs from D drive on windows 10 Lost $$$$$$$$$$ for years. Owner won't ever use me again being I made him & myself the fools from biab fail !


Jim,

I'm just a user like you and I'm very sorry to hear about this catastophe. Are you sure that it was due to BIAB? It sounds more like it might have been a Windows or computer issue.

I learnt a long time ago never to trust computers. I always have a back up plan in case the computer I'm using decides to throw a tantrum. Many people on here who play live, also carry wav files of their BIAB backing tracks as a back up.

Is BIAB working now? If so, how did you fix it?

Regards,
Noel

P.S. I see Charlie was typing at the same time as me and had a similar thought.



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#434558 - 10/21/17 06:04 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Sorry to hear about that, Jim.
Not knowing the particulars come into play in your
work, I can only add that when I play live using backing tracks (originated in Band in a Box and tweaked in a DAW and a digital recorder,) those
files have been exported, finally, as WAV, and carried on two players, one of which is a backup.
Cheer up, Jim. Going through the ordeal is the horrific part. You'll find plenty of sympathy here and
no shortage of talented people who may insure that this never happens to you again.
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#434591 - 10/22/17 12:27 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Jim, sorry to hear that as your first post.

Always, always, post details. You know basic stuff like your OS, computer specs and Biab version.

This is assuming you're not just trolling us...

Oh, and you didn't bother reading the FAQ's at the top of the forum. This is not the Biab forum.

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#434610 - 10/22/17 02:10 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Sorry to hear about your experience.

Just to underline what others have said - always have a backup. At a recent outing one of the bass players strings broke and he didn't have a spare - very bad. As a woodwind player I always carry spare reeds. The same with technology - to which "murphy's law" seems to affect disproportionately - unfortunately.


Edited by raddy (10/22/17 02:12 AM)

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#434623 - 10/22/17 05:20 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jazzmammal]
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Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
just trolling us...
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#434625 - 10/22/17 05:26 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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First of all, I'm sorry you lost your gig. Here is how to prevent it from happening again.

I never-ever depend on only one piece of essential gear to get me through a gig. Back up gear is mandatory.

I make my tracks sometimes with BiaB, sometimes from scratch in a DAW/Sequencer. I save them as a 192kb mp3 file.

I bring two computers to the gig with duplicate apps and data on them. They are both up and running all gig long.

I can get along with one computer. I also have the song data on a flash drive. If both computers fail, I can go to a store, get another computer, and it will recognize the USB->Audio interface and play the mp3 files from the flash drive on Windows Media Player.

I've been doing this since the late 1990s and I've had to go to the other computer three times. Not bad for 20 years of making a living doing one-nighters.

(1) the hard drive started to make noise and an mp3 file stuttered. I switched the USB->Audio interface to the other computer as soon as the song was done, and finished the show. Replaced the HD the next day.

(2) the screen went dark on boot up, switched to the other computer and went on. The screen was fixed under warranty.

(3) I didn't really have to go to the other computer, but the CMOS battery failed and the computer wouldn't boot. I could have entered the date and time in the DOS type screen that appeared, but it was easier and quicker to go to the spare computer.

Non computers need spares too.

I have 2 active speakers - if one goes out the show goes on.

I can play sax, guitar, and flute parts on the wind synth, so I bring a spare wind controller and sound module to the gig.

I bring an extra mic.

Never-ever depend on an essential piece of gear for your gig. A spare is cheap insurance considering how much you will lose if you lose the gig.

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#434664 - 10/22/17 10:01 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Jim, also sorry to hear about your serious issue. I guess the lesson to be learned is to check everything beforehand, and as the others have mentioned, have a backup plan. Wav files and even a backup laptop being the most appropriate option, even if it's of a lower specification.

As a first time poster and given the issue you endured, I can understand why you went to the Help! forum. It's just that your post may get noticed more quickly in the Beginners or main Band In A Box forum.
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#434706 - 10/22/17 04:07 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: VideoTrack]
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Jim I'm also sorry to hear about your lost gig and future opportunities (and I also assuming you aren't trolling)

At this point getting help is TOO Late at least for that venue - you already lost it. You need to be better prepared in future.

BUT for this instance:

- I suspect you DID NOT scope out the venue in DETAIL days before the gig (house sound system, mics, mixers, power PLUGS, etc.)

- I suspect you did NOT DRY RUN IT at home first? From now on tear everything part you plan to bring to gig, move it to the garage or another room, set it up like it would be at venue including suitable substitutions for any "house" gear and see if it all WORKS as configured.

- Finally, you obviously didn't have ANY kind of backup planned or you wouldn't be here posting about it.

ONE IS NONE, TWO IS ONE!


I hope you can figure out issue, correct it, and go forth and get other gigs. Maybe if you have a few successful gigs get the previous venue owner to see you DO HAVE your "stuff" together and get another shot at it.

Good Luck
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#434707 - 10/22/17 04:11 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Larry Kehl]
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Along with having two fully load with programs for a gig computers I would also have an Uninterrupted Power Supply, at least around here. That is if I was still gigging.
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#434721 - 10/22/17 05:46 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Originally Posted By: jim graves
Got to my after jazz fest party in Deland fla(Noble Watts Jazz fest) and biab stopped working at my restuarant gig. Drove an hr to get disc & it no longer installs from D drive on windows 10 Lost $$$$$$$$$$ for years. Owner won't ever use me again being I made him & myself the fools from biab fail !


Been there done that, with windows chord wav coming thru the PA when there is an error.

Solution, save your songs to video.mp4 and play then with a hardware player, even a portable DVD player with a usb port for a flash drive, or a Tablet.

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#434755 - 10/23/17 05:37 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: MarioD]
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Along with having two fully load with programs for a gig computers I would also have an Uninterrupted Power Supply, at least around here. That is if I was still gigging.


I use 2 ThinkPad laptops, so there is plenty of battery. So the UPS is not needed, but I always use a Power Conditioner. It minimizes both the voltage spikes and dips. The dips can be as nasty on your gear as the spikes. So if I'm on the same circuit as the AC or Ice Machine, when it kicks on, the voltage to my gear doesn't drop.

The up side of this is I have never lost a piece of gear or even blown a fuse. And I've been gigging with a Power Conditioner since 1985. I've always relied on Tripp Lite brand, but there are plenty of other good ones out there.

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#434776 - 10/23/17 08:34 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Jim Graves...Halloween?

Just did a forum search for Jimmy, this one post is it for him.

Time to shut this thread down I think.

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#434936 - 10/24/17 05:09 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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#434955 - 10/24/17 07:23 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jazzmammal]
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Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
Jim Graves...Halloween?

Just did a forum search for Jimmy, this one post is it for him.

Time to shut this thread down I think.

Bob


Calling a Jim Jimmy a number of years ago really p""""" a poster off I remember, he didn't like it at all and insisted his name was JIM not Jimmy.

There you go, some people will take offence at anything.
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#435059 - 10/24/17 04:16 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Jimmy,

You need to forget that computer son and do what I do at a gig like that.

I just walk up to the mic with a 'coustic guitbox in my hand and say folks, sorry I ain't go no fancy equipment, but I'm about to show you how it's done.

That how we do it in North Kalalacky anyhow.

Give that a spin. I don't know nothing 'bout them wave files and all but I can dang sure guarantee you I can burn the place down.

Peace.
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#435093 - 10/24/17 09:38 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Interesting precautionary thread nonetheless. Need to get me some more backup. I guess I have my phone, Radial Stage Bug and mp3s as a backup to the tablet. Knowing my luck, my wife would ring me up.:-) One of my streaming shows was briefly terminated by Skype... grin


Edited by lambada (10/25/17 08:04 AM)
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#435825 - 10/29/17 05:33 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Jim.... man..... have you ever heard of the KISS principle? Keep it simple ..... and of course Murphy's Law that says if something can go wrong it will?

You have only yourself to blame and not Band in a Box.

Notes Norton's first post on page one is the advice you should have been following.

I volunteer in SAR.... search and rescue. Regarding our essential gear like radios and flashlights.... we have a saying. Two is one and one is none. Things quit and if you have a spare you can keep going. If not....as you discovered, things can end badly.

Never play live with an application program like from a DAW or BiaB. I have done a few musical gigs (since I stopped playing in bands) and for my backup I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS made mixes of the songs and never even once considered running them through my laptop DAW feeding the PA.... nope, not even once. I always burned them to an audio CD, checked it in multiple devices, made duplicates of the disk and then went to the gig. With the application DAW or BiaB, your computer is trying to process multiple wave tracks and possibly even softsynths and it's working hard to do that whereas a music player running an MP3 is nothing to the processor. Less work generally translates to a more stable platform and less chance of a crash.

If I was ever to start gigging for fun and profit, I would have my stuff on laptops in the MP3 320k format and have duplicate computers as NN said.

This is one of those things you might not ever forget. Hopefully, you will have a chance to talk to the manager at the place where you blew it and see if he'll give you a second shot at playing there again. Of course, move all your tunes to MP3 and get 2 computers and be ready for the inevitable SNAFU when .... not if, but when it comes again. Next time, you can switch computers...... make a joke about it and finish the gig with the other machine.
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#435893 - 10/30/17 08:11 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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One post, almost 10 days ago, with no further response or acknowledgment.

While the discussion is great, the original post looks like a troll.
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#435931 - 10/30/17 12:42 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jford]
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Originally Posted By: jford
One post, almost 10 days ago, with no further response or acknowledgment.

While the discussion is great, the original post looks like a troll.


I agree.
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#435957 - 10/30/17 03:09 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: MarioD]
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Troll or not these things do happen and there are a lot of good solutions that will be read by others so it all serves a purpose.

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#435964 - 10/30/17 04:47 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Pipeline]
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Troll or not these things do happen and there are a lot of good solutions that will be read by others so it all serves a purpose.

Yes, probably many of us picked up some good ideas.
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#435994 - 10/31/17 05:43 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Agreed, but it's a worthy thread anyway.

Somebody may have gotten some good advice from it.

And being a troll, means somebody didn't actually lose a gig, and that's a good thing.

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#435998 - 10/31/17 06:12 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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#436028 - 10/31/17 09:10 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Matt Finley]
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How unprofessional is he! i doubt if he's real by the way.
BB is not meant to be used AFAIK as a playback machine. Who would?
He's a Troll, Fol-de-rol as Frank Luther sang.
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#436058 - 10/31/17 01:21 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: WendyM]
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What about a hardware version of Biab with a solid state drive that is firmware update-able for new RT/Styles and comes with a ultra thin gorilla glass wireless LED screen or can also Bluetooth to your tablet ? no more Windows, no more laptops !
Just like you have hardware karaoke players, DigiTech Trio (that uses biab tracks) and BackTrak backing track pedals.

Thanks "Jim" you may have started something here !

(don't be surprised if Jim responds to all of this)

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#436152 - 11/01/17 05:53 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Pipeline]
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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
What about a hardware version of Biab with a solid state drive that is firmware update-able for new RT/Styles and <...snip...>


I'd still need two. Even hardware pieces of gear fail, just not as often. I've had one Archos Juke Box and two iPods die on me, and they only play when I'm in the car. My gigging computers play probably 100 times as many hours per week, in in all that time, I've lost one computer. And it still works, but the display has horizontal patches of different colors so I don't trust it anymore (I bought it in 2002).

Plus I think exporting the BiaB files to a sequencer/DAW and spending some time tweaking them can take the very good BiaB output and turn it into something excellent and worthy of being on stage.

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#436175 - 11/01/17 08:44 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Pipeline]
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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
What about a hardware version of Biab with a solid state drive that is firmware update-able for new RT/Styles and comes with a ultra thin gorilla glass wireless LED screen or can also Bluetooth to your tablet ? no more Windows, no more laptops !
Just like you have hardware karaoke players, DigiTech Trio (that uses biab tracks) and BackTrak backing track pedals.

Thanks "Jim" you may have started something here !

(don't be surprised if Jim responds to all of this)


Pipeline, thanks for posting links to Digitech Trio and BackTrak pedals. International musicians have the opportunity to be exposed to a lot of gear that never seems to make it to North America, specifically the USA. Since search engines order responses based, in part, on location American musicians may, or may not see products like the BackTrack pedals in their search results.

While I do not play live I can easily understand and appreciate how single and small acts would be receptive to incorporating the BackTrack pedals into their acts.
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#437902 - 11/14/17 05:02 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: MarioD]
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Originally Posted By: MarioD
Along with having two fully load with programs for a gig computers I would also have an Uninterrupted Power Supply, at least around here. That is if I was still gigging.


Hey, Mario---I found out the hard way that even an inexpensive UPS is better that an expensive surge protector/power conditioner. I burned out two RP1000s on the same outlet on different gigs in a club but the mains and the backlines on UPSs were unaffected. The RPs didn't fry at those gigs but they both died within an hour at the very next gigs. $260 in repairs/shipping (DigiTech factory repaired one and completely replaced the other). UPS units are so light-weight and inexpensive now, they should be considered.

Regarding the OP: My experience tells me there's a lot more undocumented drama than has been presented. Seriously---we've all dealt with equipment failures---on and off stage, remedied or not by redundancy or spares. Sometimes it goes easy, sometimes it goes hard. However, I submit that an accomplished pro with a following and a track record could have a complete equipment failure and more likely than not be rebooked. Did something else happen that crossed a non-musical line? It's a shame, because you don't often see guaranteed restaurant gigs that pay $$$$$$$$$$ for years, especially the non-volatile kind that go to the unprepared.

Or, more simply stated: "Fortune favors the prepared."

Ya know what? I'm sorry---we ALL know this. I think I just trolled myself!

My bad.

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#437904 - 11/14/17 05:33 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Originally Posted By: jim graves
Got to my after jazz fest party in Deland fla(Noble Watts Jazz fest) and biab stopped working at my restuarant gig. Drove an hr to get disc & it no longer installs from D drive on windows 10 Lost $$$$$$$$$$ for years. Owner won't ever use me again being I made him & myself the fools from biab fail !


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#438173 - 11/15/17 11:37 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Danny C.]
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BS


+1.

Occam's Razor wins again.

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#438175 - 11/15/17 11:43 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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One post a month ago, help offered, no response.

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#438182 - 11/15/17 12:33 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jford]
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It could be, though if someone is let down by the product and gets negative responses for venting it may put them off coming back here.
These things do happen I think I've had it with RB, rather than being defensive about PG products we can accept that there are problems and push to get them fixed and make the product better, Constructive Criticism and Venting, if we stay stuck in the past and don't stand up, so to the product will.

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#438187 - 11/15/17 12:45 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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I lost the tweeter in a powered speaker - I didn't lose any gigs. I turned up the good one, and compensated (I mix in mono) and the next day brought it in for service. It's still not back because they had to order a new tweeter.

But the gigs go on because I have my old passive speakers and my old QSC power amp.

More to lug but Tuesday's gig went great, no gig today but tomorrow and the weekend is covered.

I agree the original post was a BS troll, but it opened up a nice thread about needing redundant gear for gigging.

You have to be a "The Show Must Go On" performer or get out of the business (and if you don't get yourself out, the customers will do it for you).

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#438680 - 11/18/17 12:18 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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What a friendly forum this is!

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"assuming you're not just trolling us"

"you didn't bother reading the FAQ's at the top of the forum"

"you obviously didn't have ANY kind of backup planned or you wouldn't be here posting about it"

"Jim Graves...Halloween?...Just did a forum search for Jimmy, this one post is it for him....Time to shut this thread down I think."

"R.I.P."

"some people will take offence at anything"

"You need to forget that computer son"

"You have only yourself to blame and not Band in a Box."

"the original post looks like a troll."

"I agree."

"And being a troll, means somebody didn't actually lose a gig, and that's a good thing."

"The sociology paper was turned in."

"How unprofessional is he! i doubt if he's real by the way. He's a Troll"

"BS"

"BS +1."

"One post a month ago, help offered, no response." (included a lovely troll photo)

"I agree the original post was a BS troll"

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#438684 - 11/18/17 12:37 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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A fair point, Jcubed. You haven't been around long enough to remember the utter disruption caused by a troll in the past. Some of us have too-long memories.
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#438775 - 11/19/17 01:17 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Matt Finley]
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A fair point, Jcubed. You haven't been around long enough to remember the utter disruption caused by a troll in the past. Some of us have too-long memories.

MF, yeah I've only been here 5 years but I have been using forums for a whole lot longer than that. And, as it turns out the OP was probably not a troll as Pipeline showed in links to the guys profiles elsewhere. He was just a frustrated BIAB customer. I don't blame him for not coming back to this thread!

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#438788 - 11/19/17 03:48 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Sorry, JJJ. Until he responds, he's a troll. Most of the responses to his plight were helpful, But he never came back to offer any more information/clarification. For all we know, it could have been poor electrical power at the venue, or his computer, or yes, maybe BIAB. But he left it with just the one negative post.
It's been over a month. Only one post on the entire forum, negative content. It's pretty clear to me he just wanted to drop a bomb and run.

So, what is it Mr. Graves? Are you really interested in figuring out what went wrong? Lots of folks here are happy to help you (myself included), and even the ones that called you a troll. Come back and let us know.
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#438793 - 11/19/17 05:01 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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I truly think (and know in my own case) that the "You should have done this or that" posts were in the spirit of being helpful so that the same thing wouldn't happen again in the future.

I often post about having redundancy, and I hope it's never misunderstood, because it is always to help my fellow musicians avoid future problems.

Through my life I've welcomed helpful advice from other musicians, I've learned a lot, and the best way to shop my appreciation for their generous help, is to pass down the information to help others.

Troll? Disgruntled customer? I can't say for sure, and it doesn't really matter, does it? I don't think anybody on the BiaB forum is going to think less of BiaB because of that post. And we shared some helpful information.

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#438816 - 11/19/17 08:42 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jford]
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Originally Posted By: jford
Sorry, JJJ. Until he responds, he's a troll. Most of the responses to his plight were helpful, But he never came back to offer any more information/clarification. For all we know, it could have been poor electrical power at the venue, or his computer, or yes, maybe BIAB. But he left it with just the one negative post.
It's been over a month. Only one post on the entire forum, negative content. It's pretty clear to me he just wanted to drop a bomb and run.

So, what is it Mr. Graves? Are you really interested in figuring out what went wrong? Lots of folks here are happy to help you (myself included), and even the ones that called you a troll. Come back and let us know.

Why would anyone want to come back to such a nasty thread?

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#438821 - 11/19/17 09:26 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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There were plenty of helpful responses after he posted. He didn't bother to come back. Maybe he did and just read. It may have been just a "flaming" post, putting down BIAB, while the fault of losing this gig was clearly his own fault. If you are playing gigs to make money to support your income, you should plan for possible disasters.

What's ridiculous is that this thread even still exists. It should be removed as it proved unproductive from the get go. Now this thread is just causing nothing but arguments among people who normally get along just fine.
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#443770 - 12/09/17 07:42 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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#443821 - 12/09/17 11:38 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: MikeK]
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... Now this thread is just causing nothing but arguments among people who normally get along just fine.

When I posted about this being a sociology project, I wasn’t trying to be nasty. It actually happened, and it happened here.
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#443938 - 12/10/17 04:52 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Matt Finley]
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The O/P created the account, made complaints about everything except his own stupidity, made one post, and hasn't been back since, not even once.

In fact, from what I could establish, I don't even think he has an account anymore.

We all know that BiaB is not to blame, not even 1%

Maybe it was an 'Ivan' event.

Regardless, we can put this to bed now, I'm fairly certain of that.

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#444345 - 12/11/17 01:53 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: jim graves]
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


(In other words, I concur)


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#444739 - 12/12/17 06:10 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: biab lost me a steady gig [Re: Notes Norton]
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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


(In other words, I concur)


Notes


LOL, since I was the first to reply and resolved all of the original posters BIAB issues, it's only fitting I post a reply to end this thread...... ;=)
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RealBand 2018 Build 5 Update Available!

RealBand 2018 customers can download the latest free patch update here: http://www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#2018_5

Summary of Changes for Build 5
Added: When generating the input file for saving as an MGU/SGU SongMode128= is saved to the input file.
Added: Localization support for 2018.
Added: flyby hints to new dialogs.
Fixed: Save As with a filename greater than 128 chars could cause an error 123 plus access violation.
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Fixed: Pressing the Change button in the Event List Window could result in an access violation if an event was not a Note event.
Fixed: When running in Win 10, and using BBW or PT to generate audio harmonies, an error would occur saying that you need BB 2011 or PT 12 to generate audio harmonies.
Fixed: Midi Thru Method was not being saved to the .INI file. It always reverting to Track-Specific when booting up RealBand, even if the user manually changed the setting to Global in the Midi Thru Settings dialog.
Fixed: Delete All Notes on This Peg menu item in notation window right-click menu was missing.
Fixed: Potential crash on exit (having to do with the DLL attempting to free up a dynamic array that was passed to it).

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Build 512 Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows customers can download the latest free patch update here: www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#512

Summary of changes for Build 512 since 510 (Feb 15 2018):
Fixed: "Load SoundTrack Song" and "Load song with RealDrums Audio" buttons in the Sound Track dialog were not working.
Fixed: After returning Band-in-a-Box to factory settings the File Open dialog would default to the bb\Data\Lib directory.
Fixed: Choosing a custom chord sheet font would ignore any color choice made in the font selection dialog.
Fixed: Drum names were sometimes truncated in the RealDrums MultiDrums and Quicklist dialogs.
Fixed: Exporting a MIDI file might cause the error, "MIDIConv.exe no found".
Fixed: Mixer changes were not undoable, and would not cause user to be prompted to save their song when exiting.
Fixed: Static in RT2438 and other various RealTracks fixes.
Fixed: StylePicker database various updates. Some styles were displaying the wrong feel (swing/even) in notation. A few styles incorrectly showed missing Drums.
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PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is Here!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is here! PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 includes many new features and enhancements:

Windows Audio (WASAPI) driver support. This allows for low latency audio recording/playback without requiring ASIO. Note that this supports 1 stereo input plus 1 stereo output at a time. For multiple inputs/outputs, you should continue to use either MME or ASIO.

ABC Notation format support. You can save a track of notation in a popular ASCII text format to import into other programs, or you can paste this format into a user forum as a way of sending the track (usually the melody and chord symbols) to other users without having to attach a file.

The built-in Audio Chord Wizard detection in the Chords window automatically detects the chords of the song, based on the audio data from all non-muted audio tracks. This works similar to the standalone Audio Chord Wizard, except that it uses the current bar lines of the existing song.

Notation Enhancements:
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-You can now enter Section Numbers. Previously, you could enter letters (A-Z) only, but now you can also enter numbers (1-9).

...a full list of the new features in PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is available at http://www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.features.htm

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Xtra Styles PAKs were such a hit... we couldn't stop making them! Since their introduction, we've released 3 more PAKs with a total of over 600 Xtra Styles in all!

Want to hear what other program users are doing with their Xtra Styles? Visit our Xtra STyles Contests forum to hear all the songs submitted during previous song contest we've had: http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=102&page=1

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Support for ABC Notation Format in Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows!

ABC notation is the simple text-based notation system used by musicians worldwide to store chords, melody, and lyrics of songs. Now with Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows you can open and save songs in ABC notation format!

To save the song in ABC notation format, press the [Save As] toolbar button and choose Save as ABC notation file from the menu. Once opened, select a track that you want to save and choose your other criteria - The [Copy to clipboard] button will copy the file to the clipboard (that you can then paste it into other programs). The [Save as File] button will let you type a name and select the destination in your hard drive.

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Posting your requests to this forum really does work - we used it to increase the database with the Band-in-a-Box® 2018 release!

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