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I would like to see some Real Tracks with handbells to use for Christmas and sacred music.
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Handbells would be awesome!
+1 from me.
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Ooh - good idea!!! Love that sound.
But I wonder, how would it work in practice? Do we have anything else remotely like this? Music for a handbell choir is normally sheet music, and RealTracks don't reproduce the individual notes and voicings of sheet music (you need MIDI for that). RealTracks also don't work for Melody or Soloist notes.
To get RealTracks, somebody has to play and record. In other words, how would it work if you just fed a handbell choir a G13(#11) chord, or even a Bm7, and asked it to record that? Or am I missing something?
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Good idea. I guess that hand-bells would have a common pitch, not affected by the pitch transposition engine (which is possible to do). However, they would need to be time-stretched to match tempo etc (which I understand is also possible to do). +1
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A lot of choral handball accompaniment is very chordal, so I can see this working.
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A lot of choral handball accompaniment is very chordal, so I can see this working.
Thanks John, I didn’t know that. All the handbell choirs I’ve seen read regular 4-part sheet music.
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Handbell choirs will play melodic pieces, because they have to, but there's a lot of choral pieces that in addition to organ/piano/strings accompaniment also has handbell accompaniment which is chordal, as the choir will be singing the melody and melodic harmony. In that setting, the bells become more of an accompaniment instrument, much like the piano or organ. For strictly bell choir music, I agree, this wouldn't work well, because the bell choir will be playing melody and harmony often in unison syncopation.
Granted, as RealTracks, you won't have control over what rhythms they play, but that's the same as with any other instrument RealTrack. I think it would make a nice addition to the RealTracks and would definitely be great for those of us who are involved in church music programs.
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As indicated earlier in my first post I think this is a great request and fully support it.
Question for others with an opinion. Is there a hand bell expert that PG Music could contact for advise on how best to fulfill the request of creating hand bells Realtracks while also getting the most bang for the buck? I can think of a whole list of questions like:
What are the most used tempo ranges? Are both 3/4 and 4/4 time signatures needed? What are most popular key signatures?
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What are the most used tempo ranges? Are both 3/4 and 4/4 time signatures needed? What are most popular key signatures? I personally wish that every RealTrack instrument came in both 3/4 and 4/4 versions, 8th-even and 16th-even and 8th-triplet (6/8 or 12/8) and 16th-triplet and quarter-triplet (3 against 2), across a variety of tempos. If the player is in the studio, it would be great if they could lay down tracks supporting those variations. I know it would take time to do that, but it would be awesome to not limit those wonderful sounds to, say, even 8 120 4/4. 8th (even), 3/4, 60bpm 8th (triplet), 3/4, 60bpm 1/4 (triplet), 3/4, 60bm 16th (even), 3/4, 60bpm 16th (triplet), 3/4, 60bpm 8th (even), 4/4, 60bpm 8th (triplet), 4/4, 60bpm 1/4 (triplet), 4/4, 60bm 16th (even), 4/4, 60bpm 16th (triplet), 4/4, 60bpm 8th (even), 3/4, 80bpm 8th (triplet), 3/4, 80bpm 1/4 (triplet), 3/4, 80bm 16th (even), 3/4, 80bpm 16th (triplet), 3/4, 80bpm 8th (even), 4/4, 80bpm 8th (triplet), 4/4, 80bpm 1/4 (triplet), 4/4, 80bm 16th (even), 4/4, 80bpm 16th (triplet), 4/4, 80bpm 8th (even), 3/4, 100bpm 8th (triplet), 3/4, 100bpm 1/4 (triplet), 3/4, 100bm 16th (even), 3/4, 100bpm 16th (triplet), 3/4, 100bpm 8th (even), 4/4, 100bpm 8th (triplet), 4/4, 100bpm 1/4 (triplet), 4/4, 100bm 16th (even), 4/4, 100bpm 16th (triplet), 4/4, 100bpm 8th (even), 3/4, 120bpm 8th (triplet), 3/4, 120bpm 1/4 (triplet), 3/4, 120bm 16th (even), 3/4, 120bpm 16th (triplet), 3/4, 120bpm 8th (even), 4/4, 120bpm 8th (triplet), 4/4, 120bpm 1/4 (triplet), 4/4, 120bm 16th (even), 4/4, 120bpm 16th (triplet), 4/4, 120bpm etc. up to whatever tempo is appropriate. You wouldn't need to specifically select which tempo and key signature you want; it will do that automatically based on your song tempo and key signature; however, you should be able to select the feel you want among the five feels listed (8th even, 8th triplet, 1/4 triplet, 16th even, 16th triplet). But that may just be me.
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Right; when I go into a studio as either sideman or producer, I and other players lay down as much as possible.
Jim, good suggestion to find someone who really knows handbells and the literature. John has shown me there’s more to it than I thought.
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What are the most used tempo ranges? Are both 3/4 and 4/4 time signatures needed? What are most popular key signatures? I personally wish that every RealTrack instrument came in both 3/4 and 4/4 versions, 8th-even and 16th-even and 8th-triplet (6/8 or 12/8) and 16th-triplet and quarter-triplet (3 against 2), across a variety of tempos. If the player is in the studio, it would be great if they could lay down tracks supporting those variations. I know it would take time to do that, but it would be awesome to not limit those wonderful sounds to, say, even 8 120 4/4. 8th (even), 3/4, 60bpm 8th (triplet), 3/4, 60bpm 1/4 (triplet), 3/4, 60bm 16th (even), 3/4, 60bpm 16th (triplet), 3/4, 60bpm 8th (even), 4/4, 60bpm 8th (triplet), 4/4, 60bpm 1/4 (triplet), 4/4, 60bm 16th (even), 4/4, 60bpm 16th (triplet), 4/4, 60bpm 8th (even), 3/4, 80bpm 8th (triplet), 3/4, 80bpm 1/4 (triplet), 3/4, 80bm 16th (even), 3/4, 80bpm 16th (triplet), 3/4, 80bpm 8th (even), 4/4, 80bpm 8th (triplet), 4/4, 80bpm 1/4 (triplet), 4/4, 80bm 16th (even), 4/4, 80bpm 16th (triplet), 4/4, 80bpm 8th (even), 3/4, 100bpm 8th (triplet), 3/4, 100bpm 1/4 (triplet), 3/4, 100bm 16th (even), 3/4, 100bpm 16th (triplet), 3/4, 100bpm 8th (even), 4/4, 100bpm 8th (triplet), 4/4, 100bpm 1/4 (triplet), 4/4, 100bm 16th (even), 4/4, 100bpm 16th (triplet), 4/4, 100bpm 8th (even), 3/4, 120bpm 8th (triplet), 3/4, 120bpm 1/4 (triplet), 3/4, 120bm 16th (even), 3/4, 120bpm 16th (triplet), 3/4, 120bpm 8th (even), 4/4, 120bpm 8th (triplet), 4/4, 120bpm 1/4 (triplet), 4/4, 120bm 16th (even), 4/4, 120bpm 16th (triplet), 4/4, 120bpm etc. up to whatever tempo is appropriate. You wouldn't need to specifically select which tempo and key signature you want; it will do that automatically based on your song tempo and key signature; however, you should be able to select the feel you want among the five feels listed (8th even, 8th triplet, 1/4 triplet, 16th even, 16th triplet). But that may just be me. If PG Music could get this request done, I would tell everyone I know to buy it.
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