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With an anticipated new release being launched soon, maybe it's an ideal time for PG Music to consider new naming conventions for the product range?
As an example, somehow the name 'Band-in-a-Box Pro' does give the impression that it's something more than the basic 'Entry Level' into the product range.
Perhaps 'Band-in-a-Box Lite' or 'Lite-Pak' might actually be more fitting for this particular product? or Band-in-a-Box Basic? I agree it would cut down on a lot of confusion, disappointment, and questions here.
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With an anticipated new release being launched soon, maybe it's an ideal time for PG Music to consider new naming conventions for the product range?
As an example, somehow the name 'Band-in-a-Box Pro' does give the impression that it's something more than the basic 'Entry Level' into the product range.
Perhaps 'Band-in-a-Box Lite' or 'Lite-Pak' might actually be more fitting for this particular product? Good idea, Trev. I also agree with you. People have become used to what the term "Lite" means now in relation to computer programs. Matt's suggestion with "Basic" is also good. To my mind, terms such as "Pro" and "Mega" indicate that things are superior and not entry level. Descriptions like "LitePak", "LitePlusPak" are more accurate in terms of now-established computer lingo.
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When I first got BIAB (version 8 some twenty years ago), there was BIAB Pro (again, I don't like that name) and the MegaPak.
I like the idea of:
BIAB Pro --> BIAB Lite or Basic
BIAB Mega --> BIAB Standard
BIAB UltraPlusPak --> BIAB Mega
BIAB EverythingPak --> BIAB Mega+ (since the EverythingPak is exactly the same as the UltraPlusPak, except for the video pak - which is dated - and the MIDI songs and lessons pak)
BIAB Audiophile --> BIAB Mega+ Audiophile (because it's the same as the EverythingPak, except that you get the uncompressed WAV files)
Or something similar.
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You have some good points. Thanks!
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I agree it would cut down on a lot of confusion, disappointment, and questions here. Yes, this.
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BIAB Pro --> BIAB Lite or Basic
BIAB Mega --> BIAB Standard
BIAB UltraPlusPak --> BIAB Mega
BIAB EverythingPak --> BIAB Mega+ (since the EverythingPak is exactly the same as the UltraPlusPak, except for the video pak - which is dated - and the MIDI songs and lessons pak)
BIAB Audiophile --> BIAB Mega+ Audiophile (because it's the same as the EverythingPak, except that you get the uncompressed WAV files)
Works for me.
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BIAB Pro --> BIAB Lite or Basic
BIAB Mega --> BIAB Standard
BIAB UltraPlusPak --> BIAB Mega
BIAB EverythingPak --> BIAB Mega+ (since the EverythingPak is exactly the same as the UltraPlusPak, except for the video pak - which is dated - and the MIDI songs and lessons pak)
BIAB Audiophile --> BIAB Mega+ Audiophile (because it's the same as the EverythingPak, except that you get the uncompressed WAV files)
Works for me. Makes sense to me, too. When the BIAB sales' names were first coined, consumer language was still developing and standardising in relation to computer terms and descriptions. These days, the descriptions that John gives have an inherent meaning that wasn't around a number of years ago.
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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Agreed. Something like this would be clearer and less confusing.
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BIAB Pro --> BIAB Lite or Basic
BIAB Mega --> BIAB Standard
BIAB UltraPlusPak --> BIAB Mega
BIAB EverythingPak --> BIAB Mega+ (since the EverythingPak is exactly the same as the UltraPlusPak, except for the video pak - which is dated - and the MIDI songs and lessons pak)
BIAB Audiophile --> BIAB Mega+ Audiophile (because it's the same as the EverythingPak, except that you get the uncompressed WAV files)
Works for me. Makes sense to me, too. When the BIAB sales' names were first coined, consumer language was still developing and standardising in relation to computer terms and descriptions. These days, the descriptions that John gives have an inherent meaning that wasn't around a number of years ago. +1 from me also.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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If I start out with a blank style and then select realtracks for the different patches, I indeed get new sounds. However I can't save that as my own real style. And if I open up the StyleMaker, and save the current style under a new name, when I select that style it shows up with no instruments in the various tracks. RealStyles are very different from MIDI styles and are processed by a completely different engine. You don't get to "tell" the RealTracks how to play like you do the MIDI tracks in a MIDI style. You have several options to create a new RealStyle based on existing RealTracks. As has been said, start with a blank style (or actually start with any style; doesn't really matter. Then substitute the RealTracks you want, and then select " Save Current Song (except muted instrument) as a Style" Or you can open StyleMaker and for a particular track, you can click on the Miscellaneous Style Settings, then click the More button, which will let you assign a RealTrack to that track. When you do that, however, you don't get all the settings that you do with MIDI - such as, play only under these circumstances, or push a certain number of ticks, or set weights on different patterns, etc. No, you just get that RealTrack that gets played as the RT engine determines. Maybe not the answer you want, but it's the way it works.[snip] Thank you very much for your detailed explanation. It has clarified a lot for me and I appreciate that you took the time to explain it that well. Thanks!
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I hope it works out for you.
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I like the idea of:
BIAB Pro --> BIAB Lite or Basic
BIAB Mega --> BIAB Standard
BIAB UltraPlusPak --> BIAB Mega
BIAB EverythingPak --> BIAB Mega+ (since the EverythingPak is exactly the same as the UltraPlusPak, except for the video pak - which is dated - and the MIDI songs and lessons pak)
BIAB Audiophile --> BIAB Mega+ Audiophile (because it's the same as the EverythingPak, except that you get the uncompressed WAV files)
Or something similar.
Works for me, John.
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OK, now that you guys got it all figured out, what are we going to do with "Bonus Packs"? 
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OK, now that you guys got it all figured out, what are we going to do with "Bonus Packs"? Always include them in the Mega paks. Charge extra if necessary.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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So much fuss for an "use of semantics and/or definitions". Including accusations of intention use of deception finalized to monetary gain. In short, fraud.
Mr. Bailey, you were way out of line with this whole thread. Plus including it in the BIAB Yahoo group, makes me wonder about your intent.
What you have to gain for all of this? Or just to smear a good business just because you could? And only because the word used didn't 100% comply with the definition registered in the Oxford English Dictionary? C'mon, man. That's complete BS, and you know it. I find it hard to believe that an adult person could be that naive.
Looks like one of those cases where the proverb "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" fits like a glove.
I think an apology to PG Music is in order.
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Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts on the current Band-in-a-Box package names - we appreciate the feedback! We've heard you, and we're on it! You will see some name changes to the different Band-in-a-Box packages offered with the release of our 2018 version... stay tuned! 
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So much fuss for an "use of semantics and/or definitions". Including accusations of intention use of deception finalized to monetary gain. In short, fraud.
Mr. Bailey, you were way out of line with this whole thread. Plus including it in the BIAB Yahoo group, makes me wonder about your intent.
What you have to gain for all of this? Or just to smear a good business just because you could? And only because the word used didn't 100% comply with the definition registered in the Oxford English Dictionary? C'mon, man. That's complete BS, and you know it. I find it hard to believe that an adult person could be that naive.
Looks like one of those cases where the proverb "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" fits like a glove.
I think an apology to PG Music is in order.
It's not even the dictionary definition of the word "everything" which bothers me -- it's PGMusic's description of the "EverythingPAK" which says "The EverythingPAK includes all of the currently available RealTracks, RealDrums, Style Sets, all the regular Soloist Sets, the Andy LaVerne Soloist Series, and Melodist Sets." http://www.pgmusic.com/salesfaq1.htm#20 is the link, and question 30 is the one I'm quoting from. PGMusic itself, in its own FAQ about what is included uses the words "all currently available" and "style sets" in the same sentence. So I'm not sure why you think I need to apologize for complaining that in fact the EverythingPAK does not include all currently available style sets, when PGMusic itself says that it does. So what exactly do you want me to apologize for? For complaining that a company isn't delivering on what it claims on its own website? That's not for me to apologize for. Do you want me to apologize for being upset for being mislead by their use of language? Okay, I'm sorry I got upset. Do you want me to apologize for making sure others are aware of this discrepancy between what the company says about its own product and what it actually delivers with that product? No, I'm not going to apologize for that. If the company changes things so that the labeling is more clear, as Callie has suggested will be happening, then we all benefit and the company gains more trust from its customers. And that has been my goal all along -- I've been using BIAB since the DOS days and every year I purchase the upgrade, even when it hasn't offered much new benefits to me because I believe in supporting this company. I have even purchased the 3 extra styles paks that started my complaint because I value what this company and this product have to offer. So the only thing I have to gain is to help make PGMusic be a better company. I raised the issue on the yahoogroup because I know a lot of the members of that group aren't members of this forum.
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Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts on the current Band-in-a-Box package names - we appreciate the feedback! We've heard you, and we're on it! You will see some name changes to the different Band-in-a-Box packages offered with the release of our 2018 version... stay tuned! Thanks for the update, Callie. This sounds really interesting.
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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Thanks Callie.
This has generally been an excellent thread. The issue raised by the O/P appears to have been very worthwhile, there has been mostly constructive comment, and PG Music are indicating that improvements can and will be made.
Definitely a good outcome in my view.
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I got a strong sense of deja vu while reading this thread because there is a very similar thread over at the IK Multimdedia site where someone is complaining because the "Amplitube MAX" product does not contain all of the available amp simulations. The debate is over the word "MAX" as this thread is over the word "EVERYTHING". I believe I have fair license to quote from the IK Multimedia thread ... Having purchased AmpliTube MAX, recently I think I am confused with the MAX terminology, since to my mind it should be everything - the maximum that is available.
Why then do I see in my account via custom shop, Ampeg SVX2, and Fender 2, which are items that have been created way before I purchased this MAX bundle..?
It’s not very good if your presented with what should be the complete package (the MAX), when in fact after you outlay a considerable amount of cash, that you suddenly find, hey wait a minute... why am I being asked to purchase this additional item...
I take them filling anything to the max is actually a shot of expresso in a latte cup? Full thread here: When is MAX not max? So my point is that no matter what PG calls their product (Everything, Max, Ultimate, Supreme, etc.), short of "almost" or "just about" in the title, some people are probably going to feel mislead. I'm not taking sides- just making an observation.
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