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#442678 - 12/04/17 07:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in
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BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in.
Before upgrade to Biab2018 from Biab2015 the UVIWorkStation plug-in worked fine.
It now does not load with Biab2018.
Does anyone has same issue ?
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#442686 - 12/04/17 10:51 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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Can you find it but it won't successfully load, or is it that now you cannot find it at all?
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#442719 - 12/05/17 05:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: VideoTrack]
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Biab tried to load but can't load the plug-in. I have UVIWorkstationVTS, ver 2.6.15
Sonar X still load it fine.
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#442761 - 12/05/17 09:06 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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SIMILAR problem here

when I try to Load UVIworkstation I get the following Fatal Error:

"standard blah blah blah error details:
"Could not find imported function in specified DLL."


this error pop-up occurs when I click OK, it again appears (so that's twice) I click OK but THEN it does LOAD UVI and UVI seems to work??

Larry


edit update

I thought it might be BECAUSE UVI workstation requires PACE/iLOk but I tried a number of other plugs that use PACE/iLOk all without issue


Edited by Larry Kehl (12/05/17 09:12 AM)
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#442762 - 12/05/17 09:06 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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It might be worthwhile reporting this to PG Music support. If you do, please provide them with as much detail as possible.
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#442766 - 12/05/17 09:16 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: VideoTrack]
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already done (just reported via email)


Edited by Larry Kehl (12/05/17 09:17 AM)

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#442775 - 12/05/17 09:50 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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PG Music sell the Ravenscroft Piano plugin that uses UVIWorkstation.

http://www.pgmusic.com/vilabsravenscroft.htm

Hopefully a fix is just around that proverbial corner.



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#442780 - 12/05/17 10:00 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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30 yrs of development, the biab still a lot of bugs every time release the new rev. Sound like the tool that used to devel. not good at all.
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#442923 - 12/05/17 10:06 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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It's not the development tools, its a poor coder (carpenter, welder, painter, writer,...) that blames his tools!

It is simply a matter of the time, money and ability to actually TEST all branches in all conditions for all possible configurations, or even conceive of all branches, conditions and configurations, simply not feasible.

Ask any large, and honest, Asian, AU, CA, EU, UK or US gov't, military, commercial, or medical SW developer.

I have yet to buy a BUG free music program or DAW from ANYBODY (that's why they PATCH)!


Larry
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#442953 - 12/06/17 02:56 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Larry Kehl]
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Yes, excellent point Larry.

As long as the developers are being proactive to quickly resolve identified issues, that's all we can ask for.

Regular updates with bug-fixes is acceptable to me.
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#442993 - 12/06/17 07:23 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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Same Problem here with UVI
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#443339 - 12/07/17 10:18 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Larry Kehl]
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Larry,

Bad tool could limited the feature of program, make coders harder to program, create bugs ect.
I understand that there's no program is free of bug, but the program has just released in one week but had two patches. This tell me that it's not enough testing prior release.

PG had a great ideal in creating this piece of SW for music but need to improve UI and should utilize the current hardware of PC: build 64bis app. There's the tool like QT to devel. the sw for both WIN and MAC.

It's just my opinion.


Edited by VinhSon (12/07/17 10:21 AM)
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#445089 - 12/14/17 09:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: musiclover]
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Still there is no fix for this issue ?
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#445122 - 12/14/17 12:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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Well, you know it's like a cult thing. You will have people defend Delphi to the death, but I didn't know they were still around. I'm guessing we looking at one of the biggest reasons it is still around ... sort of like a living legend.

It is a very impressive program by any means, but you think they would have moved on to something with more meat on the bone. You can only fatten up a game hen so much before you have to start pulling out the bigger bird to feed the masses, imho.

It seems to work for the most part, but come on people please don't try and pretend this thing isn't showing its age!

Edit: It also needed a $10 "walker" in order to run. Go figure!


Edited by CoolBreeze (12/14/17 12:27 PM)
Edit Reason: Forgot to add the last part
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#445128 - 12/14/17 01:05 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
that's all we can ask for.

Paid pretty good money for this program, I do believe that should come with more benefits than a program given away for free.


Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Regular updates with bug-fixes is acceptable to me.


You might be comfortable with accepting that, but most pay money for a program in hopes that the developers will keep the program up-to-date. Not just with new features, but also the "core" engine.

I understand where you're coming from and I do agree. It would be nice to have regular updates and bug fixes, but as a paying customer we can ask for more. We might not get what we ask for, but at least they are made aware of it.

You might have been around here too long, this is not opensource, nor is it freeware. Let's get them to step up their game even higher.

The programming is tight and can speak for itself, so I guess I'll just leave it at that.
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#445152 - 12/14/17 02:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: CoolBreeze]
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CoolBreeze,
FYI Borland Delphi is still around with diff name:https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

I don't know the PG music updated their tool yet ? smile
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#445197 - 12/14/17 09:19 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: CoolBreeze]
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Originally Posted By: CoolBreeze
Well, you know it's like a cult thing. You will have people defend Delphi to the death, but I didn't know they were still around.

It is a very impressive program by any means, but you think they would have moved on to something with more meat on the bone.

CoolBreese, interesting points. Are you a computer programmer?

Joel Spolsky is a New York software developer with some excellent ideas.

He wrote this article - a long time ago now. It's great advice and this advice is still current. The article discusses rewriting code from scratch.

If it was decided to port to a different development platform, don't expect the next release for a long time. A very long time. And what would be delivered after that extraordinary wait? Exactly what we have now, except with a whole new set of bugs thrown in that need to be painfully sorted out.

Joel also makes other excellent points:

"When you throw away code and start from scratch, you are throwing away all that knowledge. All those collected bug fixes. Years of programming work.

You are throwing away your market leadership. You are giving a gift of two or three years to your competitors."

PG Music have provided no fewer than 4 public release updates for 2018 in less than 2 weeks. To me that says they are proactive in resolving issues.

I wonder could you share your ideas about exactly what functionality BiaB could deliver if written in another language that the current one can't?

Thanks,

Trevor
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#445255 - 12/15/17 06:06 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: VideoTrack]
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PG Music have provided no fewer than 4 public release updates for 2018 in less than 2 weeks. To me that says they are proactive in resolving issues.


It shouldn't have many bugs like that before released to the public smile
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#445294 - 12/15/17 08:35 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: VideoTrack]
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Depending on who you ask, I'd like to think I can program, and I have worked in the past as a developer/tester.

Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
He wrote this article - a long time ago now. It's great advice and this advice is still current.


Are you trying to say that there has never been a successfully rewritten piece of software, because you referred to a very old article citing the version #6 release of a web browser?

That's the beauty of software design, is that it has moved forward with better tools and methodologies that have advanced the whole playing field. What version would BIAB be at, V30? You don't honestly believe that MS Windows is still being built on its old technology from over 30 years ago?

I'm not expecting to pour my heart and soul into a web browser, and then turn around and expect the "Web Browser" that I paid for to play nice and produce something beautiful for me. BTW it also has to play nice with the other thousands of browsers and addons out there.

Not the same story at all, but I do understand where you're coming from. I do like Embarcadero Technologies and what they have done with their products.

The thing I discovered a long time ago, and is still true today, is that although those Pascal Objects look pretty, they don't behave the same as the other components in the system. Like for instance in RB where the scroll wheel on my mouse decides to have a mind of its own. Yeah I could probably find some adjustments to make, but that is just the first clue that some other things might be different or quirky. You can call it "Modern" all you want, sort of like calling BB lite pro, is still not going to make it so.
Originally Posted By: VideoTrack

If it was decided to port to a different development platform, don't expect the next release for a long time. A very long time. And what would be delivered after that extraordinary wait? Exactly what we have now, except with a whole new set of bugs thrown in that need to be painfully sorted out.


Pardon me if I quote Prince here, "forever's a mighty long time, but I'm here to tell you there's something else!" Seeing that's about how long it's been running on the same codebase, I think we could even spare a decade or two for them to come up with one product that covers the need of two.

Again don't get me wrong, I love what they've done with BIAB & RB. They have really outdone themselves, but the market is full of really good products that do what they suppose to do.

Bugs will always be a part of the process, but how about taking care of existing ones before adding new features that just introduce more bugs? It's called feature creep, and they have a bad case of it, there's no denying that.

Originally Posted By: VideoTrack

Joel also makes other excellent points:

"When you throw away code and start from scratch, you are throwing away all that knowledge. All those collected bug fixes. Years of programming work.

You are throwing away your market leadership. You are giving a gift of two or three years to your competitors."


No he doesn't, when you lose an employee, then you are throwing away knowledge and may have to start from scratch. That code isn't going anywhere, it's still right here on our machines, and I pity the fool who doesn't have a backup of their codebase.

You have the gifting wrong, PG Music is resting on their laurels(market leadership) thus giving their competitors the gift of two or three years to go for that leadership.

Seriously now to put it simply, if I understand logic correctly, then throwing away a loop that I wrote in Cobol 30 yrs ago is not throwing away knowledge. I should be able to code a loop, list, or any other function once I learn the semantics of the new language.

When you learn it's more like gaining something and not losing something.


Originally Posted By: VideoTrack

PG Music have provided no fewer than 4 public release updates for 2018 in less than 2 weeks. To me that says they are proactive in resolving issues.

PG Music seems to be very on point no doubt. That's why I didn't even wait the full 30 days to activate the software, because I very much have faith in their ability to code.

So to sum it all up, a smoother experience, and better integration all around. I could go on, but I've rambled on long enough.

I'm sure I'm probably wrong, but I just don't see it the same way. I love the programs, but they're not going to lose anything moving to a new codebase. There is no way they are on the latest release, if anything it looks like the latest would be 2014.
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#445317 - 12/15/17 11:14 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BiaB 2018 won't load UVIworkStation Plug-in [Re: Vincente]
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We've been doing some testing, and the change seems to be with the UVIWorkStation plugin and not with Band-in-a-Box.

- I located an earlier DLL (version 2.1.8.0, dated 11/06/2013) and it works fine with Band-in-a-Box.

- The newer DLL (version 2.6.15.0, dated 10/27/2017) does not work, it does not load and gives the error message as noted earlier in this thread. This error message comes from the DLL. We do not know at this point what is causing this error.

- This also occurs with all versions of Band-in-a-Box back to 2014, including 2015. (earlier versions not tested).
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