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#442733 - 12/05/17 07:04 AM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: dcuny]
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Hi David,
Thanks for the reply and realizing ur not a lawyer but the logic of the use is what I think is right.Dont want to take someones else's original idea but I want to question it in song form (Christmas Grouch) and that is Ironic.Looks like I wont get it sung out it time for this year anyway lol Thanks again Hugh

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#442738 - 12/05/17 07:44 AM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Hugh2]
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copyright generally applies to exact matches or really really close ones. The more iconic, the greater the leeway in determining the match.

The real fact of the matter is, MONEY. The only way you would face any sort of issue would be if the song made lots and lots of 7 digit kind of money. Since it not very likely that the song would earn even low 3 digit money, I think you're relatively safe using that "not quite exact" phrase that kind of sounds like one from an iconic movie.

Generally, if you're not making money from the song, you get a letter demanding that you cease and desist, or they ask YouTube to remove it. It's only when there's a fair amount of money being made that the letter says "see you in court".


I'm not a lawyer so take that advice at your own risk.
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#442898 - 12/05/17 05:07 PM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Hugh2]
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That's right, GuitarHacker. I note the Harry Fox Agency responded with a limited You Tube license as a step to help in that area.
https://www.harryfox.com is a must read resource.
With respect to the question:
"How far I wonder of a change does it have to be before its not a copyrighted line? and am I just expressing an idea and so not under copyright if I change it."
The answer involves, among other qualifications, changing the material 15%. There's a ball of wax to keep you occupied for a spell !
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#443462 - 12/07/17 08:26 PM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Hugh2]
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Google the lyrics to Bertie Higgins Key Largo. smile
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#443597 - 12/08/17 11:33 AM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: edshaw]
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Hi
15% lol you have to love it,urs Hugh

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#443598 - 12/08/17 11:34 AM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Hugh2]
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Yeah, this one is weird.

Under copyright law, I can write a song called Breakfast at Tiffany's (@Holly Golightly--it's "Tiffany" sweetheart, and OMG you just wore white after Labor day), or Sweet Home Alabama, or even Hey Jude, and be just fine, but if I use a line from those songs or the movie, I can go to jail.

That makes a lot sense.

Oh, well. Guess I will get back to my new song, Tangled Up in Blue.
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#443599 - 12/08/17 11:35 AM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Guitarhacker]
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Hi Guitarhacker,
Im pretty safe then,urs Hugh

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#443600 - 12/08/17 11:36 AM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: David Snyder]
Hugh2 Offline
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Tangled up in blue ....that could be a hit

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#443601 - 12/08/17 11:37 AM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Sundance]
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Hi Sundance,
I will do thanks Hugh

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#443602 - 12/08/17 11:40 AM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Hugh2]
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Hi Sundance
I get it now!lol

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#443876 - 12/09/17 04:53 PM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Hugh2]
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I'll say one more little thing.
We take it we can copyright anything made in Band in a Box, if it is our own. Chrod progressions cannot be copy righted.
What I want to say is that in today's climate, most of us are much more concerned with some sharks coming along to challenge our rights than with our taking someone else's thought and making money with it.
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#456713 - 02/09/18 09:10 PM [Songwriting] Re: Copyright Question advice required! [Re: Hugh2]
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Prepare yourself to be unquestionably and unequivocably
shocked, because the songwriter who has used more film
dialogue in his songs than any other songwriter is none other than...
Bob Dylan!
You can read all the gruesome details about this in the
book The Bob Dylan Encyclopedia by Michael Gray in the
section called Film Dialogue. But just because Bob Dylan
managed to get away without being sued does not mean that
someone else will be able to, so please err on the side of caution.

And there is a website that has all the film quotes used by Dylan listed by film here:
Dylan Film Quotes

Now, @dcuny mentioned, eruditely albeit succinctly, a very
important point that you need to know about in order to
protect yourself from being sued. He mentioned:
Trademarks.
You can be sued if you use, even in just your title, a word or
phrase that has been trademarked.

Back in the serendipitous, sagacious 70s i wrote a song
about Dr. Doom, the villian
from the Fantastic Four comic books. I wasn't sure if it was
legal to write a song using a character from a comic book, so
i called up the Songwriter's Guild of America in the hopes i could find out if it was legal or not.

I was pleasantly surprised that the man who answered the phone
gave me the answer to my question, although i was very
unpleasantly surprised to hear what he had to say.

He explained that it was very probable that the Dr. Doom character
had been trademarked and that i could be sued for using his name in a song.

So, you CAN be sued for using, even only in the title of your song, a word or phrase that has been trademarked. Now, in most cases, only characters in films that are part of a series will be trademarked.
Some examples are the Star Trek, Star Wars and Matrix movies
However, even with movies that are not part of a series you have to be careful because the movie could be adapted from a book or comic book that has trademarked characters.

Also, it is not a requirement that your song make mucho moolah in order for you to be sued for a bajillion dollars. There are two types of damages.
One type of damage is called compensatory damages and tnat refers to the amount of financial loss somelne could incur as a result of you copying from them. The other type of damage is called punitive damages and it means that
they have cried themselves to sleep every night as a result of you hurting their feelings by copying them, and for that they can sue you for a tremendous amount of money even if your song sells just a few copies.

In other words, let's say you write a song called Breakfast At Tiffany's.
You may not be aware that the film studio that owns the rights to that movie has trademarked the film's title, and the name of Holly Golightly, just in case they might someday make an adaptation of the film. So, you can't be too careful.

That's all i have to say about the legal aspect of this, but i do want to mention the creative aspect and how other folks may perceive you.

Whenever i see a song title that does reference some otber movie or book or song,it turns me off.
The reason is it makes me feel the songwriter is trying to piggyback on someone else's creativity. While Bon Dylan did get away with it for a long time it eventually came back to haunt him when he was exposed, and Joni Mitchell even risked enduring the wrath of many people when she called him a plagiarist and a fake

So, maybe Bob Dylan could get away with it and still have his
reputation as an extremely important innovator remain intact,
but the rest of us are not Bob Dylans and i consider it very important that we exhibit our own creativity and not piggyback on the creativity that others have used in their creative works.

Well, that is just my two cents worth, and i hope you heed my sage advice about always being creative instead of piggybacking on the creativity of some Paperback Writer and don't be someone who is just shamelessly appealing to the man with the foolish grin who's keeping perfectly still instead of riding in mansions of glory in suicide machines that used to laugh about everybody that was always hanging out.....

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Patch updates are released frequently, and are created by our development team to fix any reported bugs, tweak existing features within the program, update demos and other files as needed, and more!

To find out which version of the program you have, visit Help | About Band-in-a-Box within the program. You will see the full version number listing as:
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The number in parentheses is the build number. As you can see, my Band-in-a-Box is up to date and will continue to stay that way because I've selected "Automatically check for updates every 7 days" within the Help | Check for Updates.... option (you can set the number of days to a different number). This window will also look to see if you're version is up to date, so you don't technically have to visit http://www.pgmusic.com/support.updates.win.htm if you didn't want to!

Once you've installed your patch update (make sure the program is closed when you're doing this), give it another try - if you are still experiencing the same issue you can report it by contacting us directly, or you can post your result to the Forum thread that also announces the patch update, like our recent Band-in-a-Box 2018 Build 512 Update (Feb 15) post.

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Summary of Changes for Build 5
Added: When generating the input file for saving as an MGU/SGU SongMode128= is saved to the input file.
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Summary of changes for Build 512 since 510 (Feb 15 2018):
Fixed: "Load SoundTrack Song" and "Load song with RealDrums Audio" buttons in the Sound Track dialog were not working.
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Windows Audio (WASAPI) driver support. This allows for low latency audio recording/playback without requiring ASIO. Note that this supports 1 stereo input plus 1 stereo output at a time. For multiple inputs/outputs, you should continue to use either MME or ASIO.

ABC Notation format support. You can save a track of notation in a popular ASCII text format to import into other programs, or you can paste this format into a user forum as a way of sending the track (usually the melody and chord symbols) to other users without having to attach a file.

The built-in Audio Chord Wizard detection in the Chords window automatically detects the chords of the song, based on the audio data from all non-muted audio tracks. This works similar to the standalone Audio Chord Wizard, except that it uses the current bar lines of the existing song.

Notation Enhancements:
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-You can now enter Section Numbers. Previously, you could enter letters (A-Z) only, but now you can also enter numbers (1-9).

...a full list of the new features in PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is available at http://www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.features.htm

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