You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
Index
#442947 - 12/06/17 01:56 AM [User Showcase] Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers
JoanneCooper Online   content
Veteran

Registered: 05/12/12
Posts: 2272
Loc: South Africa


There is a back story behind this one that some of you may have been following. DeaconBlues posted a topic in the off-topic forum. Here is a link to the original topic. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=437354#Post437354

In this post DeaconBlues explained how he had seen a post on Reddit by someone called Meg who had a recording of her gran singing a song that the gran and her sister wrote for the soldiers in WW2. Meg’s gran unfortunately passed away earlier this year. Meg wanted to somehow create a song using the clip and asked for help on Reddit. Deacon saw the post and asked the PG Music community for help.

Here is a link to the original clip on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HToQLp9rwVk

Charlie Fogle offered to clean up the clip which he then sent to me. I imported the clip into Melodyne and did a little tuning and tried to quantize it. I then created a MIDI file of the vocal and printed out the sheet music. I then harmonized the melody with some chords and typed them into BIAB. I then found a suitable style and imported the audio clip into BIAB to make sure everything lined up.

I then tried to generate some harmonies and to record myself singing along with nana. This was wholly unsuccessful as the key did not suit my voice and I could not easily replicate nana’s timing. I then decided to modulate to a key that suited my voice better and sung two rounds of the lyrics in my key. I found one phrase of nana’s that could fit in the new key so I added that in to the second round.

I then contacted Meg and asked for some photos of nana that she kindly sent me. I downloaded some other video footage for the Department of Defence website and put together the video.

Meg is delighted and is going to share it with her family when they celebrate a late Christmas get together in January.

Thanks to Deacon, Meg and Charlie for helping to bring this one together. Comments are as always appreciated.

Realtracks are:
RealTracks in style: ~2478:Bass, Acoustic, Held Ev 110
RealTracks in style: 1422:Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm PopCalypso Ev 100
RealTracks in song: 2534:Guitar, 12-String Acoustic, HeldChords
RealTracks in song: ~1119:Guitar, 12-String Acoustic, Strumming Ev 120
RealDrums in style: TambourineEven8ths: a: Tambourine b: TambourineEven8ths
RT1033:Guitar, 12-String Electric, Strumming Ev 120
Loop:HipHop\Old School - grill_73_boom_kick_c.wav

Lyrics:
we gotta destination
the land of tokyo
we gotta destination
so come on boys lets go
we gotta journey before us
every man and every gun
we wont return from that journey
until our job is done

off we go
we're going to tokyo
to face the rising sun
off we go
we're going to tokyo
so grab your gun my son

we dont care
how much they threat or scare
for that is why we're going there
so grab your gun
my son my son
and I'll meet you over there





Edited by JoanneCooper (12/06/17 01:59 AM)

Top
#442955 - 12/06/17 03:25 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
furry Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/28/06
Posts: 5519
Loc: Scottish Highlands
Can't think of anything else to say but WOW
_________________________
Graham............

Whenever I have a problem, I just sing, Then I realize my voice is worse than my problem.

Top
#442963 - 12/06/17 04:12 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
DeaconBlues09 Online   content
Apprentice

Registered: 03/21/17
Posts: 215
Loc: Merkaz, Israel
Someone must be cutting onions in here, because I'm tearing up watching this.

**Editing to add: I was so excited to put down my thoughts and what I (correctly) guessed the process to be, I had not actually read at that point Joanne's notes that basically already mentioned the same things!. Oh well, I took all the time to type it out so I'm gonna keep it posted anyway. blush **

Joanne, I cannot begin to express the admiration and respect I am feeling towards you right now. However, as this is the user showcase forum, for the moment I will focus on the sheer brilliance and creative ingenuity that went into the production of this track.

For you folks that need a little context, I refer you to the link Joanne included in her post. The short version is that Meg had a little snippet of a recording of a song her Nana wrote with her sister for the soldiers in WWII. Nana had just passed away after succumbing to dementia, and the idea was to convert this snippet of a recording into a full-on song, with fragments of her Nana's singing incorporated into that song.

Now here's the thing. Said snippet was obtained by Meg years back, it was likely recorded on a cellphone, and there was no adherence to tempo or key. Indeed, at the beginning of the recording you can hear someone prompting Nana to sing. Nana is asking "What, now," and you then hear "Yes, now." That's it. And then you hear an elderly lady singing a song from her past. It's poignant and almost eerie, but technically polished it isn't.

Enter Charlie Fogle and Joanne Cooper. They cleaned up the audio, stretched it out, did all sorts of technical magicry using BIAB and other software, and got the snippet tamed and compatible with a melodic structure.

But this is only the beginning. Let's turn our attention to the track itself.

Given Nana's advanced age when this was recorded, the pitch of her voice was orders of magnitude lower than Ms. Cooper's mellifluous pipes (we're talking Leonard Cohen low). So how was Joanne to have them both sing on the same track given the monumental disparity in their respective vocal ranges?

Allow me to direct your attention to 0:56 in the track. Up until now, Nana's had the floor. (Incidentally, the way Joanne incorporated the beginning of the recording--where Nana is being prompted to sing, is stunningly poignant in its own right, but I digress).

Back to 0:56. Nana has sung, and now it's time for Joanne to give this tribute an angel's wings. A trio of chords smoothly modulates the arrangement into a different key where Joanne take it away. That, good folks, is sheer genius!

But it doesn't end there.

You see, Joanne is not content to simply confine Nana to the head of the song and leave at that. Joanne wants to trade phrases with Nana call-and-response style. What's that, you say? Nana's no longer with us? Hah! Joanne sneers at Death.

Between approx 1:55 and 2:10 Joanne creates a bridge in the song, (you could also say a "bridge" between the living and the dead if you want to get all poetic about it!), where Joanne sings the high part (the "call") and Nana's super-low voice is heard to sing the low part (the "response.") perfectly in key. I would not be at all surprised if Joanne's choice of that particular key she modulated the song into at 0:56 was chosen precisely for that bridge.

There is so much more I could say, and have yet to say, about this but I have other matters to attend to (work mainly sick ). Thanks a million for everything Joanne and Charlie!


Edited by DeaconBlues09 (12/06/17 04:41 AM)
_________________________
Band-in-a-Box 2018 PlusPAK w 2018 Bonus Pak. Lenovo IdeaPad 110: ISK Windows 10 Home 64-bit. CPU: Intel Core i3 @ 2.00GHz Skylake-U/Y 14nm Technology. RAM: 8.00GB Dual-Channel. 238GB SSD

Top
#442965 - 12/06/17 04:20 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: furry]
Don Gaynor Online   content
Veteran

Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 7792
Loc: Oklahoma, USA
More great examples of your talents and love for others, Josie!

Donny

Top
#442996 - 12/06/17 07:46 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
floyd jane Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/10/12
Posts: 5831
Loc: Florida
You did a great job on that, Joanne. Kudos to Charlie, too.

I'm sure the family must be thrilled.
_________________________
125+ BIAB Songs

Top
#443007 - 12/06/17 08:10 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
Scott C Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/11
Posts: 3138
Loc: Edmonton, Ab, Canada
What a cool project. Just loved this. Beautiful way to honor family and their past. Just incredible work.
_________________________
Scott Collingwood
https://soundcloud.com/scottt709

Top
#443053 - 12/06/17 11:29 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: furry]
Greg Johnson Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/21/13
Posts: 3930
Loc: Davis, CA
Originally Posted By: furry
Can't think of anything else to say but WOW


Yes WOW!! Quite a back story here, and a major collaborative project!! Nice vocal Joanne!! Enjoyed it! Take care. Greg

Top
#443062 - 12/06/17 11:52 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: Greg Johnson]
sinbad Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 03/04/07
Posts: 684
Loc: Germany
That turned out really well, a brilliant result Joanne!
_________________________
Chris

Top
#443080 - 12/06/17 01:39 PM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
Rob4580 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 01/28/12
Posts: 2223
Loc: Murgon Queensland Australia
You've become a forensic scientist of music Joanne.
Thank you for a sneak peek into the past.
Rob.

Top
#443196 - 12/07/17 01:34 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
RichMac Offline
Expert

Registered: 05/23/10
Posts: 1646
Loc: New Zealand
Hi Joanne.

That was a tasty treat.
Your wonderful projects never cease to amaze me.

Cheers.
_________________________
https://soundcloud.com/tuigorge



Top
#443208 - 12/07/17 04:11 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
Al-David Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/29/12
Posts: 2734
Loc: Alabama, USA
Hi Joanne,

Everyone involved in this should take a bow ... or two. This is simply wonderful. Standing "O"! Not sure what else to say. What a treat! god Bless and merry Christmas,

Alan
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Ultra Plus/all Style*Paks Win10*8GB DDR4*I5-6th Gen*AT2035 Mic*Peavey Nash 112 Amp*Ibanez AR420 Electric/Washburn D200S Acoustic*Stromberg Monterey Jazz Guitar

Loops: https://aldavidmusic.wixsite.com/bestmusicloops


Top
#443262 - 12/07/17 06:46 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: Rob4580]
Janice & Bud Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 5651
Loc: GA USA
Originally Posted By: Rob4580
You've become a forensic scientist of music Joanne.
Thank you for a sneak peek into the past.
Rob.


Love that description!

What a wonderful story and project.

It takes a special person to take on a task like this.

Thanks for caring.

J&B
_________________________
Never grow up...it's a trap.
J&B SoundCloud Sampler
J&B YouTube Sampler
J&B Website

Top
#443357 - 12/07/17 11:09 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
Robertkc Offline
Expert

Registered: 06/09/16
Posts: 1440
Joanne & Charlie,
This would be powerful even without the backstory.
The techniques you used to create this are almost as impressive as your selflessness in taking it on!
An amazing project that will no doubt be treasured by Nana`s family.

Robert

Top
#443388 - 12/07/17 12:37 PM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
Sergio Guarneri Offline
Expert

Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 1566
Loc: Cremona-Italy

Excellent song, with a great feeling in it.
Another great performance.

Sergio
_________________________

Sergio

Top
#443546 - 12/08/17 08:21 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
JoanneCooper Online   content
Veteran

Registered: 05/12/12
Posts: 2272
Loc: South Africa
Graham - Thank you so much.

DeaconBlues - Thank YOU for putting this whole thing together. Your getting it going in the first place was very generous.

Don - Your ongoing support is always appreciated.

Floyd - yes, I hope they will like what we have done, thanks.

Scott - Thank you. I think it is honoruable what Meg wanted to do with this clip.

Greg - The back story is nice. Thank you.

Sinbad - Thanks for listening and commenting.

Rob - Forensic scientist! Thank you. I am trying hard to brush up on my music theory (including sight reading as well as playing by ear) so it is starting to bear fruit that I could figure out how to harmonize this tune.

Rich - Thanks. It keeps me out of trouble!

Al - no other words necessary. Thank you!

Janice and Bud - I appreciate it. Thank you.

Robert - I am sure it will be treasured. Thanks

Sergio - Thanks for listening and for taking the time to comment.

Top
#443575 - 12/08/17 09:55 AM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
David Snyder Online   happy
Veteran

Registered: 08/29/14
Posts: 3628
Loc: North Carolina

Wow, cool. I really enjoyed this. Happy Holidays Joanne.
_________________________
David Snyder
Audiophile Everything + Studio + Instruments + Fingers
ASCAP, NSAI

www.davidsnydermusic.com
www.reverbnation.com./davidpsnyder
www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel
www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder







Top
#443889 - 12/09/17 06:43 PM [User Showcase] Re: Nanas song - With original audio clip of nana singing a song she wrote for WW2 soldiers [Re: JoanneCooper]
Charlie Fogle Online   content
Veteran

Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 4382
Loc: South Carolina
Joanne, this is absolutely marvelous. I'm sure it has exceeded the wildest dreams that Nana's family could have hoped for with the original recording they had. Now her song can last forever. I'm amazed that you were able to do so well with the audio I sent to you. It sits well in the mix and sounds very clear.

The outcome of the video and audio both are at a very professional level.

Nana's photos in the video really bring the emotions of the time home.

Charlie


Edited by Charlie Fogle (12/09/17 06:47 PM)
_________________________
BiaB Ultra Pak 2018:RB 2018 Build 5; Windows 7 64 bit AMD Athlon IIX2 215 Dual-core processor; 500GB hard drive; 4GB DDR3 Memory.

Top


PG Music News
RealTracks Artist Quinn Bachand - Hard at Work!

Check it out - this is happening NOW... Quinn Bachand's latest RealTracks recording session!

Image: http://www.pgmusic.com/gfx/Quinn_Session.jpeg

Listen to demos of Quinn's existing RealTracks at http://www.pgmusic.com/realtracks.artists.php?a=61&os=win&sortby=name

The Band-in-a-Box® 2018 PlusPAK Upgrade for Mac

Did you know....

If you are currently using a Band-in-a-Box® 2017 UltraPlusPAK or EverythingPAK and are wanting to upgrade to the new version, with the 202 new RealTracks that were just released, the PlusPAK upgrade is a great option! This is available on DVD, flash drive, or electronic delivery - simply install the content to your existing 2017 BB folder! Add the 49-PAK to your purchase, and you'll complete the RealTracks library with the 40 BONUS unreleased RealTracks!

This package is on sale for just $99 during our special (reg. $129): http://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.packages.pluspak.htm.

Get to Know The Band-in-a-Box® 2018 49-PAK for Mac

Purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac during our special and you will receive a Free Bonus PAK which includes Video RealTracks Set 1: Pop Ballad Band, 10 MIDI SuperTracks, 7 Instrumental Studies, 40 AmpliTube Presets & 37 Associated bonus Styles, and 52 Loops for Band-in-a-Box!

Take it a step further and add a 49-PAK to your purchase for only $49! Add the 49-PAK to your Band-in-a-Box® for Mac purchase and you'll receive these GREAT Band-in-a-Box Add-ons:
Video RealTracks Set 2: Country TrainBeat Band
ALL 40 UNRELEASED Bonus RealTracks
22 MIDI SuperTracks
101 Instrumental Studies
Artist Performance Set 8: Traditional Songs Sung by Béatrix Méthé.

Get to Know The Band-in-a-Box® 2018 49-PAK: Video link - Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac- 49-PAK Overview

Band-in-a-Box® Version 2018 Pro & MegaPAK RealCombos!

We've added MORE to the RealCombos included in the Pro & MegaPAK packages with the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac!

The Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Pro includes 300 RealTracks instruments in over 100 bands - that's 100+ more than previous years - listen to them here.

There are now over 500 RealTracks in 300 Bands in the Band-in-a-Box® 2018 MegaPAK! Take a look at all the RealTracks & RealDrums in the MegaPAK here.

To receive the new version with these new RealCombos, upgrade during our special for as little as $59! http://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.packages.htm.

Get ALL the Regular RealTracks & RealDrums when you upgrade to an UltraPAK or Audiophile Edition!

Title Track Day, May 23, 2018!

Did you know... today is Title Track Day!

Which album do you think of on this special day? Better yet, have you created your own album and named it after a song?

Join the converation...

New! Video RealTracks for Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac!

NEW with Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac - Video RealTracks Sets!

Video RealTracks allow you to see the RealTracks artist playing that track - you can use them just like any other RealTrack, and you can generate a video which will display the musician playing your song exactly as you hear it. You can also include a chord sheet or notation in the video.

We've added Video RealTracks Set 1: Pop Ballad Band to our Free Bonus PAK included in Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac packages during our release special (which ends May 31st!).
Video RealTracks Set 2: Country TrainBeat Band is included in the 2018 49-PAK, along with 40 Bonus UNRELEASED RealTracks, 22 MIDI SuperTracks, 101 Instrumental Studies, and Artist Performance Set 8: Traditional Songs Sung by Béatrix Méthé.

SPECIAL OFFER: During our Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac release special, purchase our "Video RealTracks Set 3-6 Special Bundle Offer" to complete your purchase with the remaining Video RealTracks Sets for the low price of just $49! http://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.videorealtracks.htm

Learn more about the new Video RealTracks and see them in action: http://www.pgmusic.com/?vid=fzkX6jO_hW4

Video - 202 NEW RealTracks for Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac!

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac we also released 202 NEW RealTracks (in Sets 278-300)!

Listen to all the individual demos here: www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.202newrealtracks.htm, or watch our Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac - 202 New RealTracks Overview Video: http://www.pgmusic.com/?vid=7ZrfGSqjaOU

Get all 202 new RealTracks when you purchase any Band-in-a-Box® 2018 UltraPAK, Audiophile Edition, or the PlusPAK upgrade - on sale until May 31st!

Forum Stats
27519 Members
50 Forums
51882 Topics
428715 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
Dixiesatellite72, hhbailey, medblues, Terry V, The Captain

27519 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Icelander 351
Noel96 156
Janice & Bud 151
zedd 138
David Snyder 132
JayO 113
rsdean 107
floyd jane 107
Scott C 98
Charlie Fogle 95
Today's Birthdays
cbkslo, Liana ALEXANDRA