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#445406 - 12/15/17 06:09 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: Matt Finley]
Teunis Offline
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I use external sound cards on my machines. What I have found is you need them plugged in when doing updates even more importantly when upgrading say from 1703 to 1709. Similarly with printers. I have found drivers can go belly up when devices aren't available when doing updates.

For what it is worth

Tony
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#445412 - 12/15/17 07:57 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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That’s a very good tip. Thanks, Tony.
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#447425 - 12/27/17 06:39 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Well, it didn't break my Audio Drivers, but just this morning, I got a Windows 10 Creators update that took about an hour to apply. I noticed after it finished that I now have a Windows.old folder coming in at about 42GB (which I can remove once I double check everything works).

Something to watch out for if you are running low on disk space before applying an major update.
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#447469 - 12/27/17 08:39 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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That's interesting John. I said almost the same thing in the Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic) forum a couple of weeks ago:

Possible scam - windows update notification

Nice to know M$ is consistent with their destruction of our systems. smile

The Disk Cleanup with Clean System Files checked did the trick on removing the Windows.Old directory as well. It looks like it had made backups of Program Files and Program Files (x86) in that folder causing a lot of that space usage.

I had no issues with my system since removing that folder.
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#447472 - 12/27/17 08:48 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Yep, I've removed Windows.old before (using Disk Cleanup); was just surprised at how big the folder was, though. Luckily my hard drive had sufficient space.
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#447484 - 12/27/17 09:26 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: jford]
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Originally Posted By: jford
Your mistake was not starting with the coffee. smile


And when you want coffee, order it from Black Rifle Coffee. It's a 100% veteran owned company, and if you happen to like it strong, I just sent a bag of their strongest blend to a coffee hound friend in Oklahoma. I mentioned to her that I sent the blend that they suggested when I asked "What do you have that has so much caffeine it's a legal alternative to methamphetamine?" And that's what she got!

(She likes strong coffee. grin)
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#447523 - 12/27/17 03:20 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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I'm having audio problems anyway, especially after updating to the latest build. I see that my last windows update successfully installed on 11/26/17.
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#447540 - 12/27/17 06:38 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: CoolBreeze]
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At the risk of repeating myself. I had some issues after the last update. At the advice of some others I uninstalled and reinstalled the audio driver and all came good.

Tony
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#447543 - 12/27/17 07:19 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Windows 10 update caused my video card drivers to default to Microsoft Basic Display driver so I was not able to use the full resolutions for my monitors.

Reinstalling the drivers did not help until I tried reinstalling them using compatibility mode for windows 7.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware-winpc/amd-radeon-switchable-graphics-no-driver-update/417aefe8-9cb4-43a5-8a52-3c608ae12e98?auth=1

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#447819 - 12/29/17 07:35 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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It is back (see BIAB Error Message on Startup below).

No evidence of Win 10 updates in [past week]
BIAB is silent
Youtube sound is gone.
But Reaper is still working.


I hate to point fingers, but this all started with BIAB 2018. Just a coincidence? crazy


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#447834 - 12/29/17 08:59 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
Mike Head Offline
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HI

I do see this from time to time on my W7 build.
Normally it is right, something has not released the driver of the Audio device.
Many drivers like Asio for all and other Asio drivers only allow one instance.
So if you say try to run BIAB with RB still open or any other software that uses that driver, it will fail.
Not all applications exit cleanly and release the driver.
Some times the only way out is to reboot the computer that clears it down.
I have not yet worked out which bit of audio software is causing this but it could be anything Audio that you have done today since boot, even things like Windows media player ,
Mind you I could have used quite a bit see my list in my Signature
You can try to narrow it down by rembering what you done before today since boot.
Have fun
Mike
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#447845 - 12/29/17 09:32 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Unfortunately, re-boot does not clear the "hold" on the device. Nor does a power cycle of the MOTU Audio Express.

Nor does RTFS in BIAB which tries to reset to WAS, but can't because of the Hold.

Interesting that REAPER does not have any problem. So whatever is holding it, does not impact Reaper, but Reaper does not clear the hold when it exits. Maybe a clue there?

BIAB, YouTube and all other system audio remains silent.

All looks good in the Win10 Sounds Setup page. But the "test" throws and error when I press it.

Whatever is doing this, it is new as of the past several weeks.

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I deleted my Drivers, Rebooted, Reinstalled the Drivers.... and all is back to normal.
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#447863 - 12/29/17 11:59 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
Mike Head Offline
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Hi
Hmmm
In that case some thing is using the windows drivers at start up,the onboard sound card, Coolsoft synth likes to get hold of a windows Driver and Asio for all puts windows drivers in a wrapper
As you say only the last few weeks was it prior to Biab 2018 or only since Biab ‘s fondness of WAS.
Mike
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#447869 - 12/29/17 12:13 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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To check your Startup items, go into Task Manager and hit the Startup tab. If you see no tabs, hit the more details button in the lower left.

As you can see on my example I have a lot of items disabled that I do not need to run.

See if there's anything strange that's enabled and disable it.

You will be asked to reboot after.


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#447877 - 12/29/17 01:05 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: Mike Head]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Head
As you say only the last few weeks was it prior to Biab 2018 or only since Biab ‘s fondness of WAS.
Mike


As I said above

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