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#447484 - 12/27/17 09:26 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: jford]
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Your mistake was not starting with the coffee. smile


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#447523 - 12/27/17 03:20 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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I'm having audio problems anyway, especially after updating to the latest build. I see that my last windows update successfully installed on 11/26/17.
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#447540 - 12/27/17 06:38 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: CoolBreeze]
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At the risk of repeating myself. I had some issues after the last update. At the advice of some others I uninstalled and reinstalled the audio driver and all came good.

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#447543 - 12/27/17 07:19 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Windows 10 update caused my video card drivers to default to Microsoft Basic Display driver so I was not able to use the full resolutions for my monitors.

Reinstalling the drivers did not help until I tried reinstalling them using compatibility mode for windows 7.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware-winpc/amd-radeon-switchable-graphics-no-driver-update/417aefe8-9cb4-43a5-8a52-3c608ae12e98?auth=1

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#447819 - 12/29/17 07:35 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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It is back (see BIAB Error Message on Startup below).

No evidence of Win 10 updates in [past week]
BIAB is silent
Youtube sound is gone.
But Reaper is still working.


I hate to point fingers, but this all started with BIAB 2018. Just a coincidence? crazy


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#447834 - 12/29/17 08:59 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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HI

I do see this from time to time on my W7 build.
Normally it is right, something has not released the driver of the Audio device.
Many drivers like Asio for all and other Asio drivers only allow one instance.
So if you say try to run BIAB with RB still open or any other software that uses that driver, it will fail.
Not all applications exit cleanly and release the driver.
Some times the only way out is to reboot the computer that clears it down.
I have not yet worked out which bit of audio software is causing this but it could be anything Audio that you have done today since boot, even things like Windows media player ,
Mind you I could have used quite a bit see my list in my Signature
You can try to narrow it down by rembering what you done before today since boot.
Have fun
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#447845 - 12/29/17 09:32 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Unfortunately, re-boot does not clear the "hold" on the device. Nor does a power cycle of the MOTU Audio Express.

Nor does RTFS in BIAB which tries to reset to WAS, but can't because of the Hold.

Interesting that REAPER does not have any problem. So whatever is holding it, does not impact Reaper, but Reaper does not clear the hold when it exits. Maybe a clue there?

BIAB, YouTube and all other system audio remains silent.

All looks good in the Win10 Sounds Setup page. But the "test" throws and error when I press it.

Whatever is doing this, it is new as of the past several weeks.

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I deleted my Drivers, Rebooted, Reinstalled the Drivers.... and all is back to normal.
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#447863 - 12/29/17 11:59 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Hi
Hmmm
In that case some thing is using the windows drivers at start up,the onboard sound card, Coolsoft synth likes to get hold of a windows Driver and Asio for all puts windows drivers in a wrapper
As you say only the last few weeks was it prior to Biab 2018 or only since Biab ‘s fondness of WAS.
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#447869 - 12/29/17 12:13 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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To check your Startup items, go into Task Manager and hit the Startup tab. If you see no tabs, hit the more details button in the lower left.

As you can see on my example I have a lot of items disabled that I do not need to run.

See if there's anything strange that's enabled and disable it.

You will be asked to reboot after.


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#447877 - 12/29/17 01:05 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: Mike Head]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Head
As you say only the last few weeks was it prior to Biab 2018 or only since Biab ‘s fondness of WAS.
Mike


As I said above

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I hate to point fingers, but this all started with BIAB 2018. Just a coincidence? crazy
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#447879 - 12/29/17 01:07 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: sslechta]
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Originally Posted By: sslechta
See if there's anything strange that's enabled and disable it.


I did just that. Nothing too suspicious, but I did take the opportunity to google a couple entries and then disable them.

Thanks
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#447899 - 12/29/17 02:17 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
I hate to point fingers, but this all started with BIAB 2018. Just a coincidence? crazy


My only concern on that one is that if BIAB was causing issues there would be a lot of folks complaining about the same thing.

Most all issues regarding BIAB or any other music software ties back to the sound card. In your case, MOTU.

I don't know of many users around here that have one of those.

- Do you have any online MOTU resources you could search through that describe similar issues and are there any resolutions you can find aside from reinstalling the drivers?

- Does power cycling the MOTU resolve issues with BIAB?

- As far as something locking the audio drivers..... When that happens to me, it's usually something like a web browser page with a video or something. Maybe you have some background audio or video process running on the Task Manager Details tab that's causing the issue. Since you've checked the Startup tab, try the Services tab and sort by running. Maybe one of those is the issue. You can open Services with the Open Services button at the bottom of that page. Then you could stop or disable any potential problem services.


Hope you can make progress. This one seems tricky.

P.S. - Maybe a screenshot of your audio driver preferences from BIAB?

P.S. II - Since you say YouTube sound is gone too, see if there's any Microsoft Edge/Explorer, Firefox, or Chrome processes running. Maybe there's a virus or a badly installed MS patch from the recent updates.
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#447902 - 12/29/17 02:24 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Sometimes when the ASIO stops and it says to reboot the ASIO does not come back. When this occurs I go to the Devices section, turn off the sound card, it says reboot but I don't, then turn the card on again and then reboot.

Since I completely uninstalled the driver and reinstalled it I have not had issues.

Note however ASIO will only work on one instance at a time. It can lock up if you try to use it in two concurrent sessions. This has always been the case.

For what it is worth,

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#447918 - 12/29/17 03:19 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Thanks guys. It was strange that power cycling either\both the computer or the MOTU did not release hold on the device.

One more mystery of life. I will let you know if\when I figure it out.
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#447922 - 12/29/17 03:42 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Maybe it does release the hold, then grabs it again on start up.

I'd look hard at Windows mixer (or other) settings that may have changed.

Just a hunch
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#448018 - 12/30/17 06:39 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Hi

Well I had to pay a bit of attention to my default start up practices.
Is your MOTO an external audio interface?

I use an Akai Eie pro this is external and has its own power supply and switch.
I have this set in windows as my default audio device.
It is also my default audio for BIAB running dedicated ASIO drivers.

Mostly I make sure that the Akai is on before starting windows.
If it is not, like when I take my laptop away or out with me windows falls through to the onboard Realtech HD. sound chipset.
At this time of course BIAB is still expecting the Akai so I would have to change my audio setting in BIAB.
Realband on the other hand if it does not see the Akai immediately throws a wobbly and reverts to Mime.

Starting the Akai after start up is fine as long as I start BIAB after that.

Just some more thoughts
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#448021 - 12/30/17 06:48 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Yes, the MOTU Audio Express is an external device. And like you is the default for all system audio. An exception is that I set BIAB to default to MME with the MOTU. I save ASIO for my recording in REAPER.

It is a magical dance of audio configurations and setup that generally keeps the whole music system running smoothly. However, once in while things go astray.

Thanks for the input. I have my eye on thinks now.
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#448029 - 12/30/17 07:31 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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I would also test to see if it works with BIAB with MME sound drivers. If ONLY the ASIO is failing, that's another clue. I don't know what it would tell you, but it's another clue.
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#448246 - 12/31/17 11:27 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Now THIS is strange. After that toxic update that appears to break stuff, my Focusrite works just fine to play Real Band files. But suddenly now nothing ELSE will play! My MP3 player functionally plays files, but there is no sound routed to the Focusrite. It isn't fatal because all I do on that computer is use Real Band, but how strange. I will play with it when there isn't football on TV.

Before anybody asks, I tried to play wav and MP3 files in Microsoft's Groove player, in Windows Media Player, and in Foobar, all of which worked before that last update/upgrade, whatever we are calling it here. Something amiss in the audio engine that I will worry about later.
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#448252 - 12/31/17 11:57 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Win 10 Updates - Breaking Audio Drivers [Re: MusicStudent]
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Interesting that REAPER does not have any problem. But, BIAB, YouTube and ALL other system audio remains silent.


Coincidence? wink
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