You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
Index
#446384 - 12/20/17 02:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] rendering audio using an external midi module BIAB 2018
jtclark Offline
Newbie

Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 4
just upgraded to 2018 ultrapak from 2011. running ultrapak from the ext. hardrive. I am using an external midi synth, a Ketron SD2. I can now access all the banks and hear midi OK. I can also hear realtracks OK. The problem is with rendering an audio file with MIDI. I have rendered a realtracks only file ok.

When attempting to render a midi file to audio (either entirely midi, or a realtracks mixed with midi) the rendering fails. I want to use my external module, not a software synth, I do NOT have the VSTi/DXi box checked.

When attempting, I immediately get a message box: "Rendering of MIDI is completed. File Saved is named E:\bb\\Data\temp_wav__render.wav" There is an OK button to push, then the song plays, and the same message box is immediately repeated. After hitting OK button again, a yellow box says "Rendering failed".

Using the external module, i am used to waiting for the midi to record, but that does not seem to be happening.

Thank You

Top
#446385 - 12/20/17 02:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: rendering audio using an external midi module BIAB 2018 [Re: jtclark]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17636
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
Welcome to the forum.

I also use MIDI external modules. My understanding is that you cannot render a song from BIAB that combines MIDI and audio if the MIDI is not a DXi or VSTi. What I do is open up Adobe Audition and record the song as it is playing in real time. If the project is more serious, I drag the tracks into a DAW, where I can mix and then export that mix to an audio track.
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Win Audiophile; [& 2018 Mac UltraPak]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & monitors.

Top
#446437 - 12/20/17 07:32 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: rendering audio using an external midi module BIAB 2018 [Re: jtclark]
jford Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 10689
Loc: Pensacola, Florida
As Matt said, you can't render using an External Module. You can "record" the output, but the direct render requires the use of a DXi or VSTi synth.
_________________________
John

HP Win10Pro-64, 8GB
ASUS Win10Pro-64, 16GB
HP Win7Pro-64, 8GB

H/W-Behringer U-Phoria UMC404HD, Casio Kbds
S/W-BB/RB2018/Sonar/Reaper/Studio One/Samplitude/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Noteworthy/NI Komplete/Halion/Garritan/IK
Web-http://www.sus4chord.com

Top
#447536 - 12/27/17 06:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: rendering audio using an external midi module BIAB 2018 [Re: Matt Finley]
jtclark Offline
Newbie

Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 4
Thanks for the reply. Perhaps "rendering" was a poor choice of words. In the 2011 version, I could go into the rendering audio tab and make audio files. If there was any MIDI (only used external module) then BIAB would automatically play the MIDI tracks and record them in real time. Any realtracks would then get added in when it processed. I did not have to use an external program. BIAB knew it had to record the MIDI first.

Anyway, I'm really looking for the fastest way to make an mp3 of my tracks to share with other people. Perhaps the answer lies in the DAW drag/drop section that did not exist in 2011?

Thank you,
Jamie Clark

Top
#447539 - 12/27/17 06:32 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: rendering audio using an external midi module BIAB 2018 [Re: jtclark]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17636
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
If you did this before, you took the output of the MIDI module and routed it back into BIAB to mix with audio. If that isn’t what you did, then you were recording from a MIDI software synth (and not recording your MIDI external module).
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Win Audiophile; [& 2018 Mac UltraPak]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & monitors.

Top
#447542 - 12/27/17 07:00 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: rendering audio using an external midi module BIAB 2018 [Re: Matt Finley]
jtclark Offline
Newbie

Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 4
Yes, the first scenario, played patches from Ketron, but I don't remember how i set that up, except that I did not check the vst/dxi box in the midi preferences dialog. I'm wondering if I also had to set something else....perhaps in the audio settings...I am playing with the recording features under audio now, perhaps i need to record 1st as a separate step. The menus have changed a lot since 2011. That's what I get for waiting so long to upgrade.. Thanks.


Edited by jtclark (12/27/17 07:17 PM)

Top
#448508 - 01/01/18 06:11 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: rendering audio using an external midi module BIAB 2018 [Re: Matt Finley]
jtclark Offline
Newbie

Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 4
I think there used to be a box to check when rendering like "merge output with audio". Don't see that anymore...am giving up on that route for now.

I did find a workaround using your daw idea, but i used Audacity, which is free, then I had to add an extra cable from the output of my midi/audio interface (roland ua-25ex) back to my computer so that the computer is now recording both midi and realtracks in real time.

The ua-25ex is the "play" sound card as before, but my computer is now set to the "record" sound card.

Thanks for the idea.

Top
#448520 - 01/01/18 06:36 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: rendering audio using an external midi module BIAB 2018 [Re: jtclark]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17636
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
That works. Very good.
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Win Audiophile; [& 2018 Mac UltraPak]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & monitors.

Top


PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac - Importing MIDI Files

Did you know that Standard MIDI files can be read in to the Melodist or Soloist track within Band-in-a-Box? You can use all of the MIDI File, or select channels or a specific range of bars, using these steps:
1. Melody | Import Melody from MIDI File to select a MIDI file from disk using the file dialog.
2. Melody | Import Melody from Clipboard - when the MIDI data is already copied from another program to the
clipboard.

A new window will open, asking for additional criteria - which channels, # of bars to offset..., # of bars to import, include lyrics, include patch changes - and more! Head to our online manual Chapter 10: Working with MIDI to learn more!

YouTube Find - Your First 15 Minutes with Band-in-a-Box

Woody Piano Shack recently got their hands on Band-in-a-Box after a long time without the program - and they're thrilled!!

Check out this video they've shared to their YouTube Channel: https://youtu.be/9dxSfwjBvG0

Thanks Woody Piano Shack!

National Dictionary Day - Guitar & Piano Chord Dictionaries

Today is National Dictionary Day!

We offer 2 dictionaries for just $19 each: the Guitar Chord Dictionary & the Piano Chord Dictionary!

Each of these programs are easy to use! Simply choose a root note, select the chord you want to learn, and the Dictionary will play and display the chord!

An Essential Tool for any Musician!

User Tip - Band-in-a-Box® to Reaper: The Basics

Forum user DeaconBlues09 has created a video to demonstrate how easy the process is for them to streamline their workflow with DAWs, particularly Reaper - check it out: click here to watch.

Join the forum discussion.

Train Your Brain with Band-in-a-Box®

National Train Your Brain Day is October 13th!

Open your Band-in-a-Box® program, and you'll find the [Practice] button in the toolbar - it's a GREAT resource!
Minimized your toolbar? Head to Window | Practice Window or ALT SHIFT L to access

In this window, you'll find many options to help you practice, including Ear Training games, access to the Chord Builder and Chord Subs, some helpful tools within the Playalong Features menu, and more!

Train Your Brain with Band-in-a-Box® today!

Band-in-a-Box Patch Updates - #TechTuesday

Visit our Patches & Updates page, and you will see that with every version released, there are 2+ patch updates applied to that version.

Patch updates are important, and should definitely be installed to your BB folder. They can add new features, update the help resources of the program, fix bugs reported by users, and make your entire Band-in-a-Box experience run smoothly!

Band-in-a-Box update options can be adjusted within the program too - within Band-in-a-Box for Mac, head to Band-in-a-Box | Check for Updates | and then you can select to automatically check for updates by however many days you choose!

Xtra Styles PAK 5 Contest - Listen to All the Entries!

Our Xtra Styles PAK 5 Contest is over, and the winners have been announced - congratulations again to forum users fiddler2007, rodipoet, Will Josef, and Ezekiel's Storm!

And, a BIG thank you to everyone who entered their songs on our contest - WOW what a great list of songs! We've arranged all the song entries into one simple list, if you'd like to listen to all the entries click here.

Forum Stats
28070 Members
57 Forums
54420 Topics
449944 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
ugtk, helenmai, chuckster55, KeithR, Andreu Casado

28070 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Noel96 166
David Snyder 151
Janice & Bud 140
Matt Finley 138
Tangmo 132
Will Josef 130
Alyssa - PG Music 127
beatmaster 118
MarioD 113
Jim Fogle 111
Today's Birthdays
Dawn46, Sergio Guarneri