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#455126 - 02/01/18 10:55 AM [Beginners Forum] BIAB for live performance?
Monkster Offline
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I'm considering purchasing BIAB to use on stage for live performance. Are there any other musicians out there that are doing just that? I've been doing a solo and duo for many years using midi and running my show from a laptop on stage. The laptop is ancient running Windows 95 and so is the Cakewalk 3.01 program that I use. It worked flawlessly for many years until the computer finally died recently. I can't find an old computer to take it's place because they've all been recycled and Cakewalk 3.01 won't work on newer computers. So it's time to upgrade since Cakewalk is now defunct!

I would like to get away from having to carry all my equipment to every gig because my setup is larger than most full bands. My questions are, does BIAB have good enough sounds to take the place of all my midi modules? Can I run straight out of the laptop to the PA and leave all my midi equipment at home? Are there catalogs of BIAB songs out on the web to access for songs that I don't have programmed already and does BIAB read midi files well? Thanks in advance for any help.

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#455132 - 02/01/18 11:17 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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Monkster, firstly welcome to the forums.

There are many users who do exactly what you want, using BiaB live on stage.

The RealTracks in BiaB are recordings of real instruments, performed by real musicians, and can give you excellent quality performances.

Some users also create their backing tracks and export as an Audio file (WAV, MP3 etc) and play those live instead of BiaB.

You can definitely send the laptop output to your PA, no question that this will work. You can also use a software synth inside BiaB for handling MIDI tracks. Forte DXi (available from PG Music) is a great way to go with very reasonable sounds and for only about $40.

Consider getting a small USB Audio adapter instead of relying on the 3.5mm stereo socket on the laptop - this is for reliability purposes.

BiaB can read MIDI files, and there are also many existing songs on the web. With native MIDI (not BiaB files), you may need to separate the data onto multiple tracks - RealBand, which comes with BiaB for Windows, can do this easily.

Hope this answers your question in some way.



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#455134 - 02/01/18 11:20 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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BIAB works well with MIDI; however, the sound you get is only as good as the sound module you use.

Also, unless you are looking to do exact covers (which require MIDI), BIAB also uses RealTracks, which are recorded audio phrases that adapt to your chord progression and sound like real live players because they are and were recorded by top studio session musicians.

Also, be aware the PGMusic offers a 30-day money back guarantee.

There are folks that use BIAB live; however, I would suspect most create either WAV or MP3 renderings of their accompaniment for both simplicity sake and consistency.

BIAB also comes with RealBand, a DAW that incorporates a lot of the BIAB song generation features.

Go listen to the User Showcase and you'll be able to hear some of the great original songs that people have used BIAB and RealBand to create. Browse the forum, and look at the video tutorials and you'll find yourself up to speed very quickly. And we users on the forum are happy to answer your questions.

Good luck.
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#455139 - 02/01/18 11:51 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: VideoTrack]
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VideoTrack, Thank you for your reply. I feel more comfortable purchasing the program now and thanks for the tips. I had to cancel some gigs recently from my old laptop crash and really looking forward to getting back to work. BiaB sounds like an amazing program and can't wait to start working with it.

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#455144 - 02/01/18 12:17 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: jford]
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jford, you answered one of my questions about sound in your first sentence. Since my laptop has both Realtek and NVIDIA High Definition Audio, I take it that those are the only sounds I will be hearing. Does BiaB come with any VST instruments, or if not, will BiaB be able to link up to them from other vendors?

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#455146 - 02/01/18 12:40 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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Your RealTek and NVIDIA will be just for audio. For the playback of MIDI into the audio stream, you'll need a softsynth. BIAB comes with a DXi synth called CoyoteWT (WT is short for Wave Table), which is actually just a wrapper for the low res GM MIDI Wavetable that ships with Windows computers (it takes the Microsoft sounds and and presents it to you as a DXi (DirectX synth).

Also for General MIDI (GM), PGMusic also sells the Coyote Forte synth (also a DXi synth) for $40, which definitely sounds better than the CoyoteWT, but still leaves a lot to be desired.

You also get the free Sforzando VSTi synth, along with several SFZ sounds provided by PGMusic, but it's not General MIDI and you'll have to assign instruments on a track by track basis for each song. However, there are tons of free and not so free sounds out there that Sforzando can play.

If you go the VSTi route, you will probably also want to purchase jBridge from PGMusic (I think it's $10), as that will let you run 64-bit VSTi's and VST effects in the 32-bit BIAB environment.

For VSTi's, you might want to explore VSTi offerings from IK-Multimedia (SampleTank) or Native Instruments (Kontakt). Those aren't cheap, but the sounds are much better, and again they are note General MIDI, so you would have to assign the sounds on a track by track basis for each song.

And of course, the RealTracks/RealDrums are just audio files, so they will play fine on your computer sound card.

Let us know what you are thinking and we can definitely go into more detail.
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#455167 - 02/01/18 02:33 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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I recently bought BIAB specifically to create backing tracks to use live.

I save the songs as mp3 and load them on my ipad through iTunes. It helps having a mac pc but it is possible to use Windows to do this.

I use Onsong on my ipad to trigger the backing tracks which sync with the chord charts on Onsong.

I use a Line 6 Sonic Port from my ipad to a digital mixer, then to the PA.

This works really well and as I become more proficient in using BIAB I think I will get more refined backing tracks. The sounds in the basic BIAB that I have are good enough to begin with.

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#455173 - 02/01/18 03:27 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: jford]
Monkster Offline
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jford, Thanks for all the ideas. I need to order BiaB and get my feet wet!

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#455191 - 02/01/18 04:40 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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As a tip, go for the best package that you can afford. Certainly try to go better than the Pro pack which is essentially an entry level product. The larger packages contain significantly more features and options, and you'll get greater benefit especially if you intend to use to create backing tracks for performing with.
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#455216 - 02/01/18 11:34 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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You need to think very carefully about using BIAB for live work. I do and I love it, but I don't have exact backings. I accept (and now like) the fact that my covers sound unique. If you are managing to get what you want with what you have, just upgrade to a midi player or a new computer and carry on. Alternatively you could probably get away with Karaoke files or minus 1 files. BIAB is a great product, but it's primarily a songwriting tool. You'll love it regardless, even if not just for writing backing tracks, but remember it's a steep learning curve as well.


Edited by lambada (02/02/18 12:12 AM)
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#455231 - 02/02/18 03:05 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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Hey Monkster, or maybe other folks who might be interested... there was a giveaway of Cakewalk Sonar home. I know that Sonar went belly up, but Sonar home was just updated a couple of month before the announcement. As it is, it should last for many years.
Anyway, promotion is real, no need to buy anythng. Couple of friends got it there recently. Here is the link:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3718858&p=1

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#455260 - 02/02/18 07:06 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: lambada]
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Originally Posted By: lambada
You need to think very carefully about using BIAB for live work. I do and I love it, but I don't have exact backings. I accept (and now like) the fact that my covers sound unique. If you are managing to get what you want with what you have, just upgrade to a midi player or a new computer and carry on. Alternatively you could probably get away with Karaoke files or minus 1 files. BIAB is a great product, but it's primarily a songwriting tool. You'll love it regardless, even if not just for writing backing tracks, but remember it's a steep learning curve as well.






I could not disagree more. BIAB/RealTracks/Drums excel on covers.


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#455279 - 02/02/18 10:00 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: 90 dB]
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I agree with Bob. BiaB can provide you with unique and really excellent covers.
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#455280 - 02/02/18 10:03 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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Along with listening to songs in the User Showcase, to get an idea how a cover tune sounds that was created in solely in BIAB, I previously posted two covers on YouTube and provided links to the songs over in the 'I heard it on YouTube' forum.

Here's Listen to the Music


and "Cherish" by the Association

It was requested I leave out the lead soloist instrument in Cherish and the artist plays that instrument live during the performance.


Edited by Charlie Fogle (02/03/18 08:22 AM)
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#455302 - 02/02/18 12:16 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: BIAB for live performance? [Re: Monkster]
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Here is an example of what BIAB can do;



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctbm65HXu8&feature=youtu.be



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