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I find generating the "rough" in BIAB then pulling it into Realband if I want to change just a small part of a track using Multiriff before passing the song to Sonar very handy. I tend to export the BIAB song to a .wav if I think it is close to what I want before bringing it up in Realband just in case any regeneration comes out worse. I have found sometimes I use tracks from both BIAB and RealBand in Sonar to finish the song. Maybe using RealBand to alter one or more tracks either by regeneration or using the Multiriff feature.
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I think that 90% number is because the product is called Band In A Box..... and real band is seen as kind of an add-on at no extra cost and essentially people don't explore it's capabilities. You got to admit, there's a ton of features in BB. In fact, I probably don't use more than 20% of the capabilities of both BB & RB. For what I do and how I do it, those things are not needed.
As I've said before I use a 3 step process in my writing.
BiaB is my scratch pad. What I use it for is to find a style and a groove and the key, as well as tempo for the song. I use it knowing that what it produces for me is not necessarily what I'm going to end up with in the final product. It gets me a basic starting point and an idea as to the general direction the song can go. I'd venture to say that 99% of the styles I use in BB are not midi but use real tracks so when I change things, it takes a few seconds to regen the project.
Once I have that done to my satisfaction..... key, tempo, style, and the structure of verses and chorus, I will save it and move to Real Band.
In Real Band..... I let it generate the tracks for the style. I then have a quick listen to see where I'm at. If I like it, I generate the extra tracks BB couldn't and save them to the project and into a folder. I often use the first generation of the tracks. A few times I have used multiple generations of the same track but not often.
I then copy the tracks into Sonar and that's where I do my editing and adding of live tracks. I use Sonar because I know how to do things in it and it's easier for me to work with the live tracks.... punch in/out, splicing and automation.
Anyway... that's my 2 cents. The way I see it is use whatever you want to get the results that make you happy. Nothing else really matters.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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One answer I'm a little surprised you didn't receive is Band-in-a-Box has been around longer than RealBand so users have grown accustomed to NOT using RealBand.
My theory is some users developed their workflow before RealBand was released. Oh, they are not the same age? Never knew that. I think I started with this stuff in maybe 2007 or 2008. I don't remember. The way my memory is now I am close to wearing a bracelet with my address on it. I had to chart out Happy Birthday to have it ready in case I have to play it!
I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines.
1. How much did you make in 2023?
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I probably don't use more than 20% of the capabilities of both BB & RB. For what I do and how I do it, those things are not needed. I am probably as low as 10%! A new song for me starts with my little digital metronome clipped to my shirt as I sat at the keyboard playing, singing "La la la, doo doo doo" to see if I can hit the notes in that key or not, writing down chords on paper. About half the time I will record that into the sequencer of the keyboard and loop it just so I can listen without concentrating on playing. As that part plays, I can then play a second part, be that the bass line, an organ part, strings.... Once I have that thought completed THEN the software input happens. Generate, listen. tweak, generate different drums, different bass... Once that rhythm bed is how I want it I can start really writing. I don't think I have ever done less than 4 different Real Drum tracks, sometimes I actually leave 2 of them stacked. Since you told me about the "Generate Loops" function, which has been there for always and forever and somehow I never even noticed it, I have been thrilled to have tambourine and shakers that play in far better than I can, available. And will now probably use them too much until the new wears off the new toy. That led me to exploring other things I can loop. The only thing I know for sure about this product is that I barely know anything about this product. Yet, as a testament to the level of quality of PG software, knowing and using just the 10-ish% I know I did a whole CD with it. That in itself is remarkable if you think about it. All of that stuff with chord wizard and all that... never even cared. I tried it once and it was SO wrong that I never looked at it again. And as with anything else there grows a frustration level. Like right now I have some plugins I used to use. However, they need jbridge to run. So far, due to getting new computers and such, I have paid 10 bucks for jbridge 3 times, and I am NOT paying for it again, so I guess I will live without those plugins. If I made money with this it would be different, but this is just my hobby when I have days to kill. April will mark 62 years since I started music, and I have;t had a lot of fire for it since the CD a few years ago. Bucket list - checked. On to the next thing.
I am using the new 1040XTRAEZ form this year. It has just 2 lines.
1. How much did you make in 2023?
2. Send it to us.
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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
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With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
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A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
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The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
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If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
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Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
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