You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
Index
#456243 - 02/07/18 10:10 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] The Power of the Part Marker
Callie - PG Music Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 1437
Loc: Victoria, BC
Within the Chord Sheet of Band-in-a-Box®, Part Markers are placed to indicate a new part of the song (they typically occur every 8 bars, but you can place them at the beginning of any bar).

But what else to Part Markers do?

Change the substyle: each original Band-in-a-Box® Style includes 2 substyles: "a" and "b" - there are also MultiStyles available, typically with 4 substyles - but there can be up to 24 ("a" through "x")!
From the Band-in-a-Box® Help file:
Each style has "a" and "b" substyles. Band-in-a-Box® Multistyles also have "c" and "d" substyles, and could have from "a" to "x" for a total of up to twenty-four.

Most of these MultiStyles that we’ve made have 4 substyles, conforming to the following pop song format:
Substyle "a" is usually used for the verse of a song.
Substyle "b" is usually used for the "b-section" or the chorus, and for soloing in the middle choruses.
Substyle "c" is usually used for the intro or for an opening verse or pre-verse.
Substyle "d" is usually used for a break or interlude.

There is always a part marker at bar 1 so that Band-in-a-Box® knows which substyle to begin with. The song continues to play in one substyle until it encounters a new part marker. The substyle will change automatically on second choruses when the "Vary Style in Middle Choruses" song setting is selected.


Drum Fills: a 1-bar drum fill will occur on the bar preceeding the part marker: if you add a part marker to bar 8, the drum fill will occur within bar 7.

Section Paragraphs: adding a part marker to your Band-in-a-Box® song will move that section to a new line within the lead sheet, making it easlier to see - this is optional, and can be adjusted within the Display Options window.

How many part markers do you typically add to your Band-in-a-Box® songs?
_________________________
Callie
Marketing Representative
PG Music Inc.

Top
#456249 - 02/07/18 10:29 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17521
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
This is very educational.

With newer versions of BIAB, it is possible to turn off the drum fill at a part marker. This increases the versatility.

Also, it’s good you mention that a few styles have more two sub styles. This may not be well known, and it’s a great tool.
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Win Audiophile; [& 2018 Mac UltraPak]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & monitors.

Top
#456263 - 02/07/18 11:25 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Matt Finley]
John-Luke Offline
Expert

Registered: 05/18/03
Posts: 1261
Loc: France
Multistyles are really effective to build pro arrangements.
But be aware that they are not interpreted in RealBand as multistyles, what a pity.
It has been requested to add this feature in RealBand for several years now.
_________________________
Reach for excellence

Top
#456951 - 02/11/18 07:13 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Icelander Offline
Veteran

Registered: 11/11/12
Posts: 2998
Loc: Iceland
I honestly had no idea you could set a whooping 24 different types of part markers (if my understanding of the above is accurate) shocked

I've only seen a handful of styles with more than the standard a & b markers, with 4 being the highest number and nearly all being midi-only styles at that, for some reason smirk
And I've never seen my part markings cycle between anything above the standard a & b, so a "how to" video that shows how to do more on any given style would be quite useful.

p.s. This rather begs the question, why are there still so few styles on offer that utilise this to conform to the common forenamed convention of four substyles? This should be the standard by now (I'm aware of the 'BBox got started by jazzists'), not the rarest of exceptions! smirk


Edited by Icelander (02/11/18 07:23 AM)
Edit Reason: afterthought
_________________________
YT: www.youtube.com/user/MrIcelander
SC: https://soundcloud.com/eddie-icelander
Never finish what you can't start!
____________________________________________
BBox 2018 Audiophile, Mac Pro Intel, OSX 10.6.8, 800x600 (TV VGA)

Top
#456956 - 02/11/18 08:06 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17521
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
Icelander, this was ‘a thing’ quite a few years ago. I think there was an initial push of multistyles.

Although I’ve never done it, I believe you can roll your own. If I’m remembering this correctly, one could create different sub styles with different sound-compatible RealTracks or even just different choices of drum kit in a single RealDrum. Then you save your style under a new name.
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Win Audiophile; [& 2018 Mac UltraPak]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & monitors.

Top
#457402 - 02/13/18 01:52 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Matt Finley]
Icelander Offline
Veteran

Registered: 11/11/12
Posts: 2998
Loc: Iceland
Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Icelander, this was ‘a thing’ quite a few years ago. I think there was an initial push of multistyles.
About 2010-11, according to the creation date of the Multistyles folder within the RT Demos. Sounds about right, now that you mention it, but my ponder was rather why it seems to have stopped there smirk
Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Although I’ve never done it, I believe you can roll your own. If I’m remembering this correctly, one could create different sub styles with different sound-compatible RealTracks or even just different choices of drum kit in a single RealDrum. Then you save your style under a new name.
Ah, that whole "not working on Mac" rears its ugly head yet again. We still can't rework styles and save as another. No wonder then that I never tried pursue this any further at the time.. smirk
But then again, 2011 was also well before I became an active forum member to speak of (if at all), let alone a regular tester for the program. This may well be worth revisiting now cool
_________________________
YT: www.youtube.com/user/MrIcelander
SC: https://soundcloud.com/eddie-icelander
Never finish what you can't start!
____________________________________________
BBox 2018 Audiophile, Mac Pro Intel, OSX 10.6.8, 800x600 (TV VGA)

Top
#457677 - 02/15/18 08:05 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Guitarhacker Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/03/09
Posts: 5795
Yep... part markers are very cool indeed.

As far as how many I use..... only the amount I need to use.

And they are really handy for visually marking parts of the song and adding extra measures.

I generally only use styles that have 2 styles.... the normal blue and green ones. For my style of writing they are normally sufficient and with my DAW, I can make edits as needed to add interesting things.
_________________________
You can find my music at:
www.herbhartley.com

Add nothing that adds nothing to the music

Top
#457682 - 02/15/18 08:31 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17521
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
A simple function of part markers is to place a double bar line in the printed song. That alone makes BIAB part markers useful.
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Win Audiophile; [& 2018 Mac UltraPak]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & monitors.

Top
#457697 - 02/15/18 10:31 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Matt Finley]
DeaconBlues09 Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 03/21/17
Posts: 272
Loc: Merkaz, Israel
Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
A simple function of part markers is to place a double bar line in the printed song. That alone makes BIAB part markers useful.


Could you please expand on this? I'm not quite sure what you mean by "double bar line," but it sounds intriguing!
_________________________
Band-in-a-Box 2018 PlusPAK w 2018 Bonus Pak. Lenovo IdeaPad 110: ISK Windows 10 Home 64-bit. CPU: Intel Core i3 @ 2.00GHz Skylake-U/Y 14nm Technology. RAM: 8.00GB Dual-Channel. 238GB SSD

Top
#457710 - 02/15/18 12:09 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17521
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
You can google ‘double bar line’ to see how this looks in printed music notation. Standard stuff, to have a double bar line at the start of sections of a song. You don’t see it in BIAB on the Chordsheet View (you see the blue and green markers). Make sense?
_________________________
BIAB 2018 Win Audiophile; [& 2018 Mac UltraPak]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & monitors.

Top
#457802 - 02/16/18 08:42 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Matt Finley]
Callie - PG Music Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 09/27/06
Posts: 1437
Loc: Victoria, BC
Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
A simple function of part markers is to place a double bar line in the printed song. That alone makes BIAB part markers useful.


Thanks for pointing this out - you're absolutely right! smile

Top
#457899 - 02/17/18 12:12 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Bunyip Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 01/14/18
Posts: 18
Loc: Brisbane Australia
I have BIAB Ultrapak 2018 for Windows.

With regard to the part maker, twice recently i have been able to get parts C and D to appear with consecutive mouse clicks, but when I finish the song and generate the tracks, parts C and D disappear and things revert to A and B as the norm.

I have been unsuccessful in finding any written help in the manual to describe how to set and maintain parts C and D.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Top
#457915 - 02/17/18 05:07 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Bunyip]
VideoTrack Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/05/12
Posts: 8312
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Bunyip, what Style are you using in your song?
Someone here might be able to verify / check.
_________________________

BIAB, RB 2018(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Izotope Prod. Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, KorgX3R, RodeNGT2, AM802mixer, NS40M Studio Monitors, Pioneer Active Mons, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Top
#458018 - 02/17/18 04:51 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The Power of the Part Marker [Re: Callie - PG Music]
Graham Martin Offline
Expert

Registered: 07/23/01
Posts: 808
Loc: REDLAND BAY, Qld., AUSTRALIA
Thanks to Callie for the educational reminder about Part Markers. Certainly I use them for all the purposes outlined.

I believe one of the most important features outlined by Callie is
Quote:
Section Paragraphs: adding a part marker to your Band-in-a-Box® song will move that section to a new line within the lead sheet, making it easier to see - this is optional, and can be adjusted within the Display Options window.


This feature is extremely useful for creating readable leadsheets, a subject I am a bit passionate about, as you can tell from my recent post on 'Notation Problems'. These days you often come across tunes where the sections are not necessarily of 8 bars length. I often encounter AABA tunes where the 'A' section is 10 bars. Thus, you want one line on a leadsheet which only contains 2 bars. This is handled well by the part market when using the 'Print' Notation button. However the part market does not do the same thing when using the Leadsheet Window (AltW) green button. Here, you have to fill in the Lead Sheet Options box saying exactly how many bars you want on every line. frown This is extremely time consuming and you have to know about this quirk. I simply do not understand why the part marker method would not be a better!

Also it is very difficult to get a Tag ending to go down onto a separate line.

In answer to Callie's question "How many part markers do you typically add to your Band-in-a-Box® songs?":

The most common song form is a thirty two bar AABA tune with each of the 'Section Paragraphs' being 8 bars. Add an extra part marker for a four-bar Intro, and one for the Tag Ending. So, most often one uses 6 part markers.

Unfortunately, many modern pop tunes do not follow this 'section paragraph' convention and you often need part markers to create 4, 3, 2 and 1 bars on a line. Of course, many published sheet music copies do not bother with the starting a new 'section paragraph' on a new line but I much prefer the common Fake Sheet method of producing leadsheets, as outlined in my previous post: http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=457880#Post457880

Callie, I put your 'section paragraph' description in inverted commas because I have not previously heard it called that. I think it is a good description but BIAB normally calls simply a 'Section', as in 'Bar-Based Section Letters'.
_________________________
Grah Jive Talk
"Don't worry baby, they'll swing their arses off."

Top


PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac review on www.guitaren.dk!

www.guitaren.dk has recently reviewed Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac, which can be read here.

Summary:

"Our conclusion is that this is a very serious and well done piece of software.The program is fast and flawless and you'll very quick get impressive results just typing the name of the chords. The new functions are exiting and worthy to be includes in this anniversary upgrade.
We were very impressed by the MIDI SuperTracks, which is simply brilliant. It’s a function in Band-in-a-Box that's here to stay.
It's amazing that the programs feel is so fresh and innovative after 30 years. This version is better than ever and should be a in every home studio or pro studio... Congratulations with the anniversary! We love you as the ex-wife we did not know we were missing.
"

Band-in-a-Box®: Part of The Ultimate Desktop Guitar Practice Rig!

Check out the latest Sweetwater article from Mitch Gallagher: "The Ultimate Desktop Guitar Practice Rig" - he's included Band-in-a-Box!

"The king of backing track creation, in my opinion, is Band-in-a-Box (BIAB). It can do everything from country to jazz to metal, with a huge array of instruments and options. There is a great selection of songs and BIAB tracks available for free on the web, so you don’t even have to make your own."
-Mitch Gallagher
www.sweetwater.com

#TBT - The First Audiophile Edition

A blast from the past... the introduction of the Audiophile Edition with Band-in-a-Box 2008.5!

The first Audiophile purchase included the WAV files for all the RealTracks & RealDrums that were available at that time: RealTracks Sets 1-9 and RealDrums Sets 1-20. It shipped pre-installed on a 250GB USB hard drive - take a look...

Wondering what else was introduced with Band-in-a-Box 2008.5? Click here to see the "Band-in-a-Box 2008.5 New Features List."

RealBand 2018 Interactive Online Upgrade Manual Available!

The newest addition to our Online Manuals support page is the RealBand 2018 New Features Guide!

Just like the other Online Manuals now available on our Support page, this Upgrade Manual can be easily navigated by chapter, or using the main Table of Contents window!

New Interactive Online Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Manual for Mac!

We've added an Online Manuals option to our Support page, where you can access an interactive online Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac User's Guide!

The Online Manual can be easily navigated by chapter, or using the main Table of Contents window! Also available on our Online Manuals page is the PDF files for Band-in-a-Box® 2017-2018 Full manuals & Upgrade manuals.

User Feedback - Run as Administrator

Our Forum is a great resource for all your Band-in-a-Box questions (and a GREAT place to connect with other program users!)

Among the many forums available, we have a User-to-User Tips & Tricks forum - perfect for sharing your own technical tips and tricks for any PG Music product!

Like the recent post by jford: You Should Run BIAB and RealBand As Administrator!

Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest - Over 25 Entries!

We recently launched an Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest with 4 prizes of $150!

So far, there are more than 25 entries! Have a listen to these entries and submit your own song here.

Contest Rules:
-You must own Band-in-a-Box® 2018 along with one or more of the Xtra Styles PAK 5 packages (Country, Jazz, Rock-Pop, MIDI)
-The song you submit must be your own original composition. This could be simply typing in chords to your song and pressing play, but you may also add additional instruments, solo, and/or melody.
-Public domain songs will be accepted.
-Multiple entries are permitted.
-Submit your song to the "Xtra Styles 5 Contest" forum, before the deadline. (This contest runs until September 30th)

For complete information on this contest, click here.

Forum Stats
27985 Members
57 Forums
53982 Topics
445883 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
Karl1901, charly, Bonnie-Kjell, Jesson Holder, wjw3

27984 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Alyssa - PG Music 407
David Snyder 154
Al-David 139
MarioD 116
Jim Fogle 112
Deryk - PG Music 104
Matt Finley 103
VideoTrack 97
animarorecords 95
Icelander 91
Today's Birthdays
Carolyne, Funkifized, johntru9j, zaragemca