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#458307 - 02/19/18 04:25 PM [Songwriting] Re: Call Me Biased # 2 [Re: Belladonna]
dcuny Offline

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 1930
Loc: Sacramento, California
Originally Posted By: Belladonna
Does anyone know what the lyrics are really saying? Do the lyrics add anything to the song?
Does it matter?

No, to the typical listener what matters is the way the song makes them feel.

Yeah, it did make a lot of money. I wonder if that's a standard of excellence?

Of excellence in popular music, yes. For a commercial song, that's the measure that matters.

Is it a good song as long as it makes a lot of money?

For the corporate insiders who maximize their profits, yes.

If that's the case then I guess all of our music on this site sucks!

From the perspective of commercially successful music, yes.

What about decades later or generations later when it's no longer making a lot of money? I'm not making a judgment call, just throwing out questions for consideration.

Sometimes it's enough to just pay the bills on time.

Also, what about the marketing to the public, maybe it played a part?

Sort of like how Taylor Swift's father purchased a publishing company with investors and promoted her and hired professional songwriters?

Thanks to all who weigh in and contribute. I think it helps to understand the topic and certainly increases my learning in how others look at things and interpret it.

Wasn't the topic how people approached writing songs?

Somehow it turned into a complaint against commercial music.
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

#458328 - 02/19/18 08:17 PM [Songwriting] Re: Call Me Biased # 2 [Re: Belladonna]
Belladonna Offline

Registered: 09/09/17
Posts: 239
Loc: Virginia
No complaints against commercial music. Hat's off to anyone who made it and made some money. The music industry has changed alot from the 60s, it's much more difficult today, a lot more competition and
more of a formula especially in country music.

Since I write lyrics just wanted to get feedback on what others think are important to determine what's a good song. I know that's a very subjective question and may depend on what genre or styles people like. Lyrics may be important to some and not important to others.

I like to post questions as I always learn from how others see things and it helps me to look at things I never considered before.

So thanks for your input.

Edited by Belladonna (02/19/18 08:18 PM)

#458332 - 02/19/18 09:27 PM [Songwriting] Re: Call Me Biased # 2 [Re: Belladonna]
dcuny Offline

Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 1930
Loc: Sacramento, California
While there are many elements that can be found in a good song, I'll suggest that a song that emotionally connects to a listener is "better" than one that does not.

A typical listener doesn't pay much attention to lyrics. If it sounds happy, it's a happy song, no matter what the lyrics say. (Remember "Born in the USA"?)

That doesn't mean that isn't important to strive for excellence in songwriting. But a song with throw-away lyrics can still move someone, and be much "better" than a technically correct song.

But if a song fails to emotionally move the listener, I'll go on a limb and say - despite the exceptions to the rule - that's not a good song.
-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

#458555 - 02/21/18 09:12 AM [Songwriting] Re: Call Me Biased # 2 [Re: Belladonna]
duncanwhyte Offline

Registered: 11/19/17
Posts: 27
Loc: uk
Again, I refer to a once little known song called 'comme d'habitude' sung by Claude François and see what happened to that.
Using: Dell 3268 i3, 8 GB ram, windows 10. Biab version 2017 standard package, no extras.

#458566 - 02/21/18 09:58 AM [Songwriting] Re: Call Me Biased # 2 [Re: Belladonna]
Belladonna Offline

Registered: 09/09/17
Posts: 239
Loc: Virginia
Yes, wonderful things do happen and it's always encouraging when it does. I heard the WSOP the other day and I had a deeper appreciation for it now that I understand what the song was saying. I know for some people the lyrics don't matter but for others it really does make a difference to understanding and appreciating the song. Also, when you first hear a song the melody and music may draw you in and you really like it. But as you listen to the song over and over again you start to hear the words more and try to understand and appreciate the song at a deeper level.

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