Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
Index
#457705 - 02/15/18 11:44 AM [RealBand] RealBand 2018 v4 buggy?
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
Recently i have been 'testing' RB 2018 v4. This as i haven't been using it much sofar compared to BIAB 2018.

I loaded a BIAB MGU file, which works OK there, and which has a few beat count bar changes. Imported in RB it has some issues (see picture}:

1) (a & b). a RT switches to a new track leaving a gap.
2) Gaps appear ...
3 and 3b) not all MIDI tracks are loaded completely.

What's up here? -F


Attachments
Realband 2018 v4 errors.jpg



Top
#457780 - 02/16/18 02:29 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
VideoTrack Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/05/12
Posts: 8306
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Re: "Imported in RB it has some issues"
Can you describe the exact method used to 'import'? This might have some bearing.
_________________________

BIAB, RB 2018(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Izotope Prod. Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, KorgX3R, RodeNGT2, AM802mixer, NS40M Studio Monitors, Pioneer Active Mons, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Top
#457782 - 02/16/18 03:10 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: VideoTrack]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
Hi VT. tried various imports, MGU, Frozen MGU, SGU, and i guess the errors are popping up after a beat count change at a bar is far as i can see. Also some bars have a lot of internal chord changes; i like to steer the bass note at times. example:


Attachments
BIAB temp.jpg



Top
#457785 - 02/16/18 03:58 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
beatmaster Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 05/16/17
Posts: 555
IMO BEST WITH A DEDICATED DAW.
_________________________
win 10 64 bit 16gb, ssd 500gb, Alesis multimix8 usb,ketron sd 1000,shure sm7b,sonar,acid,mixcraft, variety of plugins.Sample tank 3, digitech vocalist live 2 ,Byerdynamic 770 pro, akg k270,akg k701.
https://beatmaster1.bandcamp.com/releases

Top
#457796 - 02/16/18 06:07 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
Just figured out why the tracks switched .... had some style changes set halfway through, style picker variations on a similar style in this case.

And the gap was ONE chord set to HOLD on a 3rd beat within a bar. And in Biab all this played smoothly.

So I guess REALBAND v4 cannot handle style changes, and you cannot approach them as set in BIAB on a certain bar in the chords layout page. Worse is that RB doesn't 'know' how to handle a hold - break.

Picture of the same BIAB MGU Songfile, and without the style changes and holds: looks normal ... Alas sounds quite boring now; guess i wont be using realband much LoL. Time for a huge set of fixes here .... - F


Attachments
Realband 2018 v4 errors fixed.jpg



Top
#457877 - 02/16/18 05:36 PM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
rharv Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 18956
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
Fiddler2007; they are different programs.
RB is not BiaB. If you are content with BiaB that is great, but I always worry when people suggest they 'fix' RB to act more like BiaB ..
I worry one day that will happen and RB will stop being what it is.

Changing styles on a track in RB is easily doable, and many more variations can be layered, auditioned, etc.
It does many things much better than BiaB, but it is NOT BiaB, so yes there are some differences.
That doesn't mean RB is broke. Your statement that it is 'time for a huge set of fixes' implies that RB is broke.

There are trade offs due to the differences.

For my workflow I'd have given up on all the convoluted work to get a track to change styles in BiaB and simply generated different tracks to my heart's content in RB. Then sliced/diced the results if needed.

Like I said, they are simply different programs. Use whatever works for your workflow.
_________________________
Make your sound your own!

Top
#457900 - 02/17/18 12:40 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
Sorry, thanks for your input; guess i am a rookie regarding Realband, and i will look in to matters a bit further ... F

Top
#457914 - 02/17/18 04:36 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
VideoTrack Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/05/12
Posts: 8306
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Hi Fiddler

I think Rharv (and me too) are worried that one day there might be only one 'merged' product called something like: "Real Band In A Box".

I'm concerned (scared?) about the trade-offs that might occur if that ever happened.
_________________________

BIAB, RB 2018(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Izotope Prod. Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, KorgX3R, RodeNGT2, AM802mixer, NS40M Studio Monitors, Pioneer Active Mons, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Top
#457949 - 02/17/18 09:21 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
Jim Fogle Offline
Veteran

Registered: 08/20/11
Posts: 4021
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC USA
I think the way RealBand and Band-in-a-Box approach a song project has a lot to do with what features can be implemented and how the features are implemented.

RealBand "sees" a song project as one long timeline while Band-in-a-Box "sees" a song project as intro, chorus, repeats and ending chunks. The different approaches require different solutions and lets both programs have distinct strengths and weaknesses.
_________________________
Jim Fogle
2018 BiaB (520) UltraPlusPak RB 2018 (Build 5)
Cakewalk by Bandlab - Sonar Home Studio - Cakewalk Music Creator 6 - Audacity - Zoom MRS-8 recorder
i3 laptop, 64bit Win 7, 8 GB ram, 480GB SSD
Music at: http://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Top
#457955 - 02/17/18 10:49 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: VideoTrack]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
..... I think Rharv (and me too) are worried that one day there might be only one 'merged' product called something like: "Real Band In A Box". I'm concerned (scared?) about the trade-offs that might occur if that ever happened.


Well, i must say that BIAB could use some of RB's features, like an extra audio track, and a visual overview of what happens 'down the tracks'. BTW, just installed and checked v5. Seems that the switching to different tracks at a style change has been fixed, but some hold files are still missing. Not all though it seems. - F


Attachments
Realband 2018 v5 hold errors.jpg



Top
#457992 - 02/17/18 01:32 PM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
Charlie Fogle Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 4523
Loc: South Carolina
Hi Fiddler2007, Do you know although BIAB has only one Audio channel that it can be used multiple times? A second, third or a number of additional audio tracks are available in BIAB as either mono or stereo tracks as needed.

Not sure whether that would be useful to your project or not. Just letting you know the capability is there in the event you were not aware.

Charlie
_________________________
BiaB Ultra Pak 2018:RB 2018 Build 5

Top
#458031 - 02/18/18 12:20 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: Charlie Fogle]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
Hi Fiddler2007, Do you know although BIAB has only one Audio channel that it can be used multiple times? A second, third or a number of additional audio tracks are available in BIAB as either mono or stereo tracks as needed.
Not sure whether that would be useful to your project or not. Just letting you know the capability is there in the event you were not aware. Charlie

Nope, i only thought that one can mix audio channels together to ONE mono or stereo mix audio track .. you got me curious now ... thanx, -F

Top
#458041 - 02/18/18 05:02 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
Charlie Fogle Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 4523
Loc: South Carolina


Thread 1

Thread 2


Here are two forum threads that explain the procedures in greater depth. I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have.
_________________________
BiaB Ultra Pak 2018:RB 2018 Build 5

Top
#458069 - 02/18/18 11:30 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
Hello Charlie. Looks (sounds) promising ... never used a "performance" track, guess i have to get me a BIAB deep sea diving course now .... -F

Top
#458153 - 02/18/18 07:46 PM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: beatmaster]
jazzmammal Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 6556
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
Originally Posted By: beatmaster
IMO BEST WITH A DEDICATED DAW.


RB is a dedicated DAW. The big difference between RB and a standard DAW is it will work directly with Biab files.

BUT, RB IS NOT SIMPLY ANOTHER VERSION OF BAND IN A BOX.

That phrase needs a second read.

If you treat RB as the DAW it is then when you open a Biab file all you really want is the chord grid. The first thing you do is check the box that says "Treat all Biab tracks as standard tracks". That means they will not automatically regenerate. You may or may not want to keep them but for now assume you want to keep them as is.

Now you have all the normal DAW functions PLUS the ability to add more Biab tracks but under your full control, one track at a time. You may not really like one of the Biab tracks you imported. Fine, generate another version using a different style if you want. Then generate another version using another style. And another, and another. You have 48 tracks to mess with, see what I'm talking about now? You can do that with every instrument from the original Biab file. You may wind up with a song that has ZERO tracks from the original Biab file. All you really needed the Biab file for was the chord grid. Opening a Biab file saves you from having to reenter the chords.

Now, this is the tip of the iceberg. Keep reading the RB forum and watch the RB vids. There's a whole lot more you can do with it like adding a midi file for example. Combining Biab tracks with parts of a good well made midi can do wonders for a song assuming you have a high quality synth. No, the Coyote Wavetable or the Forte Dxi are not high quality synths. I use Sampletank 3 others use Kontakt, Garritan or other softsynths. Those cost real money but the sound quality definitely compares with the Real Tracks so they blend in very well.

People have said that RB's midi editing capabilities are not that good. I don't know because it's all I've ever used and I think it's pretty good but like anything else you have to jump into the help files and mess with it yourself. I can do quite a lot with midi in RB. I've read that Cubase is great with midi and that could very well be but Cubase costs $700 while RB is free. Free works for me.

Bob
_________________________
Biab/RB latest build, Win 10 64 bit, Intel 4770, 256 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA1XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Top
#458414 - 02/20/18 11:08 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: jazzmammal]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
... but Cubase costs $700 .... Bob
There are various versions, cheaper ones with more limitations, and some even come free, usually with some audio hardware combined. But the MIDI editing capacities are some of the best IMO. - F

Top
#458521 - 02/20/18 10:00 PM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
jazzmammal Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 6556
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
True, but Cubase also requires iLok and mention that around these forums and see what most think of it.

A serious question for you though, do you know if the killer midi capabilities is included with all versions or only the higher priced ones?

Bob
_________________________
Biab/RB latest build, Win 10 64 bit, Intel 4770, 256 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA1XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Top
#458532 - 02/21/18 02:38 AM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
For the 9.5 Elements version i think you don't need an eLicenser dongle, but it has a 'software' protection system, and it costs 100. I think the midi is on par with the more extended pro version, and the drum editor too. Strong point for MIDI is the 'logical editor', and i don't know if it's included. One of the very useful things for MIDI already included in the old ATARI pro24 midi only pre-cubase version. You can download a 30 trial version here (lower section): cubase trial download .F

Top
#458630 - 02/21/18 04:47 PM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
rharv Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 18956
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
What exactly does the 'logical editor' do?

Most users never get deep enough into MIDI to see how things like the Data Filter and other MIDI features of RB/PT work, so it may just be a matter of knowing how to do stuff in RB.
Like JM stated above, I have no trouble editing MIDI in RB, and sometimes bring MIDI into RB from other DAWs for editing .. maybe because I am familiar with it, but I haven't often been stymied using it.
RB also supports SYSEX, if you want to get deep into MIDI editing.
That was one of the features that first brought me to PT about 25 years ago.
_________________________
Make your sound your own!

Top
#458668 - 02/21/18 10:23 PM [RealBand] Re: RealBand 2018 v4 buggy? [Re: fiddler2007]
fiddler2007 Offline
Expert

Registered: 12/22/07
Posts: 819
If you do a lot of MIDI edits very useful:
-F

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >


PG Music News
#TBT - The First Audiophile Edition

A blast from the past... the introduction of the Audiophile Edition with Band-in-a-Box 2008.5!

The first Audiophile purchase included the WAV files for all the RealTracks & RealDrums that were available at that time: RealTracks Sets 1-9 and RealDrums Sets 1-20. It shipped pre-installed on a 250GB USB hard drive - take a look...

Wondering what else was introduced with Band-in-a-Box 2008.5? Click here to see the "Band-in-a-Box 2008.5 New Features List."

RealBand 2018 Interactive Online Upgrade Manual Available!

The newest addition to our Online Manuals support page is the RealBand 2018 New Features Guide!

Just like the other Online Manuals now available on our Support page, this Upgrade Manual can be easily navigated by chapter, or using the main Table of Contents window!

New Interactive Online Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Manual for Mac!

We've added an Online Manuals option to our Support page, where you can access an interactive online Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Mac User's Guide!

The Online Manual can be easily navigated by chapter, or using the main Table of Contents window! Also available on our Online Manuals page is the PDF files for Band-in-a-Box® 2017-2018 Full manuals & Upgrade manuals.

User Feedback - Run as Administrator

Our Forum is a great resource for all your Band-in-a-Box questions (and a GREAT place to connect with other program users!)

Among the many forums available, we have a User-to-User Tips & Tricks forum - perfect for sharing your own technical tips and tricks for any PG Music product!

Like the recent post by jford: You Should Run BIAB and RealBand As Administrator!

Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest - Over 25 Entries!

We recently launched an Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest with 4 prizes of $150!

So far, there are more than 25 entries! Have a listen to these entries and submit your own song here.

Contest Rules:
-You must own Band-in-a-Box® 2018 along with one or more of the Xtra Styles PAK 5 packages (Country, Jazz, Rock-Pop, MIDI)
-The song you submit must be your own original composition. This could be simply typing in chords to your song and pressing play, but you may also add additional instruments, solo, and/or melody.
-Public domain songs will be accepted.
-Multiple entries are permitted.
-Submit your song to the "Xtra Styles 5 Contest" forum, before the deadline. (This contest runs until September 30th)

For complete information on this contest, click here.

New Online Band-in-a-Box and RealBand Manuals

Do you hate digging around for manuals as much as I do? Now you can access the most recent Band-in-a-Box® and RealBand manuals with just a few clicks on the new Online Manuals section of our website.

The PDF manuals for version 2017 and 2018 are available now. Plus, we're adding online versions of these manuals too! The Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Windows User's Guide is complete, and the Mac User's Guide will be coming very soon. We're even adding a search feature to make it even easier for you to find features that you are looking for - stay tuned!

You Could Win $150 PG Bucks with our Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest!

Want to WIN $150 PG Bucks? Join the entries already submitted into our Xtra Styles PAK 5 Song Contest! When the contest closes on September 30th, we will be picking 4 winners (1 per genre)!

What you need:
-Band-in-a-Box® 2018 UltraPAK or Audiophile Edition
-Xtra Styles PAK 5 Windows | Mac
-a song written using one of the 160+ fully-mixed Styles included in your Xtra Styles PAK 5 purchase.

Complete contest rules list here.

Forum Stats
27964 Members
57 Forums
53940 Topics
445497 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
Graybones, kikesh, RedVampirePrince, rockmarcus28, Bart Vervaeck

27964 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Alyssa - PG Music 502
David Snyder 145
Al-David 140
MarioD 125
Deryk - PG Music 115
Matt Finley 102
Janice & Bud 102
Jim Fogle 97
VideoTrack 96
Kent - PG Music 91
Today's Birthdays
Helmut Neidig, Pekstrom