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#457280 - 02/13/18 04:41 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
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Hard to discern what's happening in that vid, Pipeline
The goal is to have playing midi tracks with outputted chords.
But the only Midi track showing in your mixer is vibes, and there's no volume coming from it, so it appears that no midi track is playing. I hate to get so specific, but the corruption of my Tascam 144 (not Yamaha, my error) audio driver on the uninstall of Midi Ox, I would like a working roadmap to this.

So if Loopmidi alone...can allow BIAB to output Midi tracks WITH outputted chords, I need a detailed key to that kingdom spelled out. Here's the LoopMidi instructional. If someone is game to figure out the BIAB interface to this, here ya go....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGRtBNTNXP0
Thanks.

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#457321 - 02/13/18 08:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
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Originally Posted By: axelrod
...The goal is to have playing midi tracks with outputted chords...If Loopmidi alone...can allow BIAB to output Midi tracks WITH outputted chords as well, I'm all ears. But I'll need the keys to that kingdom spelled out.


1. Options > Prefs > Output chords enable
Chord Types
Channel (x)
Ticks before 0 or early ?
Write track to midi file.

2. Save Midi > file on disk
3. File > Import > Melody or Soloist from Midi file
Import saved midi and same channel only (x)

4. Load midiOut.dll into that track and set it to LoopMidi or external midi device.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oib452gwd4nnae6/Biab-midiOut2.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oib452gwd4nnae6/Biab-midiOut2.mp4?dl=1
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#457328 - 02/13/18 09:17 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
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Please indulge me, Pipeline. If what your saying can be done, this is a great help to me.
First of all...How does one load midiout.dll into one specific track.... and not have that overwritten as soon as you check the "Load VST/DXI" checkbox in Midi driver output ....to hear all your midi tracks?

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#457438 - 02/13/18 04:33 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
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#457450 - 02/13/18 06:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
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Nice work, P. I'll have to sit with this for a day or so.But just to be clear, each song requires defining a chord track, and following all the steps......it's not automatic like the old midi ox/yoke method. True?

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#457479 - 02/13/18 10:46 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
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Originally Posted By: axelrod
..it's not automatic like the old midi ox/yoke method. True?


Not sure what that method is ?

What are you using for midi sound in Biab, is it just the Coyote ?

You can just send midi out from Biab to VSTHost and load your vst's into it as it will let you send midi out from it to whatever.
I tried it with VSTSythFont.dll and the midiOut.dll (thought there is midi out in VSTHost you can filter and tweak) I set Biab to output on LoopMidi and VSTHost to Input LoopMidi. http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm this way you don't have to mess around saving chord tracks, you just start VSTHost and it's ready to go, and Biab Midi Out is just set to LoopMidi, no VSTi/DXi Synth, that is all in VSTHost .
The trouble with Biab and RealBand they won't let you chain midi vst's only audio, so if you load a midi vst it will only let you chain an audio after it, to solve the issue you need to use MiniHost http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=394808#Post394808
My whole life here is finding workarounds for things that you just do so simply in other audio software.







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#457515 - 02/14/18 06:34 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Mike Lucich]
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Yes Pipeline, that too much work to go thru. I left a wishlist item that might get the ear of the developers. I don't want to jump thru hoops. If LoopMidi can take a BIAB MIDI output, route 15 channels to Coyote and 1 channel to A USB/Midi hardware converter Bingo. If not, I'll use Real Tracks

This is the crux of the issue-
1.Can this be done
2.What are the simple steps that will elegantly accomplish this.

John....Larry...Pipeline...anybody....

And i just sent this to LoopMidi creator:
I use PG Music Band in a Box with only ONE midi output device. To send piano chords to an external voice harmonizer, I need to send one midi channel to my USB to Midi hardware converter (Iconnectivity Mio) Can LoopMidi take the Band in a box Midi Output Signal, send 15 channels to a DXI, and one channel to that USB/midi device?
How?
Thank you


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#457529 - 02/14/18 08:16 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
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Hi,

Not sure if this might help your needs but the TransMIDIfier is a great way of splitting out one midi input to various midi outputs and ports.

http://www.bewaryprods.com/software/products/TransMIDIfier/

It's worth spending an hour and checking out the options.

Regards
Brian

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#457533 - 02/14/18 08:57 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Brian Cadoret]
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Thanks Brian.
Transmidifier doesn't show up in midi outs. You must first use Loopmidi or any virtual midi loopback cable, then it can do it's work. But for my simple need of opening up one more midi port for one channel, it is indeed overkill
Thanks again-

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#457557 - 02/14/18 11:59 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Larry Kehl]
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JUST an update on my earlier post in this thread -I noticed that you can no longer download the MIDI ReDirector from the WIKI page. The link for the download is down


http://bandinabox.wikia.com/wiki/VSTi_MidiRedirector_v_1.xx


anyone who wants it PM me (its 177KB's zipped)

Larry
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#457595 - 02/14/18 03:49 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Larry Kehl]
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Maybe just put it in a dropbox link.
I think that is just the same as midiOut.dll

Mike Lucich posted that in 2011 and even with 5000 + hits it has still not been implemented, so I think wishing ain't gonna help.

The VSTHost is the easiest option as you can set it to start with Windows and sit there minimized, then you don't need to do anything. Coyote is not that good a synth, there are better soudfonts that will load into VSTSythFont or if you have the Coyote Forte you can convert it to a GM sf2 and load it into SynthFont.

Also another easy way, if you want you can use http://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm
copy savihost.exe to your plugin folder and rename it to the same name as the vst eg: VSTSynthFont64.dll so rename savihost.exe > VSTSynthFont64.exe and set the midi in - out (see pic below), now create a shortcut for VSTSynthFont64.exe and place it in the Windows Start menu > Startup

The next way is just use an action script like AutoHotKeys,
one hot key will save the song as a midi file, Import the same midi's chord track channel, then all you need to do is load a preset on the chord track that loads midiOut.dll, once you save the song it will keep the chord track and midiOut.

Or, wait another 7 years and maybe you will see a midi out in the Output Chords dialog ????


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#457604 - 02/14/18 06:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
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Good point, Pipeline. With only 1 midi port, BIAB gives this no priority......in fact the Output Chords help file still predates Real Tracks.,,..and assumes your midi driver is going to the harmonizer and all your midi tracks come from an external synth!

The last time I invested so much energy into Loopback was Hubi's Looback midi driver in 1999... for an app that turned a computer keyboard into a chromatic piano keyboard.

I was hoping for an elegant single install to aid in the task of opening another BIAB port.,..but it will take 2 apps to do this, tweaking, and I'm old and tired....and done. I'll use Real Tracks behind my 4 Freshmen harmonies.

Thanks for all the great suggestions and generous help. You are truly a terrific and helpful bunch.

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#457608 - 02/14/18 07:28 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
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This is MiniHost Standalone,VSTi or VST.
You can route/split midi (green) or audio (yellow) anywhere you like, in BB RB you are only allowed to add an FX after the VSTi, so it can only send audio and not midi.


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#457655 - 02/15/18 06:31 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
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"Just when i thought I was out, Pipeline pulls me back in"

What can this do for me, my friend?

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#457720 - 02/15/18 01:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
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It's what BB RB need so you can split/send any midi anywhere and not just to 1 only device/synth. You can try MiniHost in BB or RB load it into a audio or midi track.
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#457727 - 02/15/18 01:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Mike Lucich]
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1. Will it allow me to output chords to a "USB to Midi" hardware device while maintaining my BIAB midi out for the midi tracks?
.
2. If yes, can I do this on the fly, without having to load the midi chords of every song into an empty track in the mixer?

I assume the answer to at least one of the above questions is no. And as I said, it's only worth it to me if it can be done simply. Thanks again, Pipeline for your tenacity.

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#457731 - 02/15/18 02:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
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Originally Posted By: axelrod
1. Will it allow me to output chords to a "USB to Midi" hardware device while maintaining my BIAB midi out for the midi tracks?
.


why not try it and report back

Larry

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#457737 - 02/15/18 03:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
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Larry-
In answer to your question, TWO reasons why I just don't try stuff willy nilly.
1. A MIDI-OX uninstall already corrupted my Tascam audio drivers necessitating a system restore.
2. I'm only interested in a clear and safe, working solution, if someone has found one. If not, I'll live with Real Tracks while using a harmonizer.



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#457748 - 02/15/18 04:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
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Try the savihost solution that won't stuff anything up.

1. Download savihost
http://www.hermannseib.com/programs/savihostx64.zip
http://www.hermannseib.com/programs/savihostx86.zip

2. Download VSTSynthFont
http://www.synthfont.com/VSTSynthFont64Setup.exe
http://www.synthfont.com/VSTSynthFontSetup.exe

3. Download a GM sountfont sf2 http://www.synthfont.com/soundfonts.html
also search google
Timbres Of Heaven GM_GS_XG_SFX V 2.0.sf2
Compifont_13082016.sf2
Musyng.sf2

4. Place savihost.exe in your plugins folder

5. Rename savihost.exe VSTSynthFont64.exe or VSTSynthFont.exe

6. Run VSTSynthFont64.exe and load the sf2 soundfont into SynthFont and turn the chord channel down or mute it.

7. Click up on Devices > MIDI > Set Input to same as Biab Output LoopMidi

8. Set Pass Thru to Output to your chord device.

9. Biab > Options > Prefs Chord Output >
Output chords enable
Chord Types
Channel
Ticks before 0 or early ?
Write track to midi file.

While still in Prefs > Channels check your chord output channel is not used.
Midi Driver > set Biab Midi Output to LoopMidi (don't use a VSTi or DXi Synth).

You can create a shortcut for VSTSynthFont64.exe and place it in the start menu > Startup, or place it on your desktop, or create a bat file to start Biab and VSTSynthFont64.exe at the same time http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=437598#Post437598
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