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#458396 - 02/20/18 08:56 AM [Songwriting] Questions about what can "easily" be done
osmethne Offline

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I know basicly nothing about music but i want to take chords from an already published song and slightly alter it and make my own version of it. The song in question is this[1]. In my non-musician eyes it feels like it should be an easy task but would it be as easy as i am thinking?


#458426 - 02/20/18 11:52 AM [Songwriting] Re: Questions about what can "easily" be done [Re: osmethne]
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Yes, it's that easy or easier. Change anything about the song like tempo, key signature, genre of the vocalist and so on and you've created your version of the song.

Somehow though I don't think that's the answer you're hoping for. Are you wanting to know more about the process of using Band-in-a-Box or RealBand as tools in the creation of your version of a song?
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#458438 - 02/20/18 12:25 PM [Songwriting] Re: Questions about what can "easily" be done [Re: osmethne]
osmethne Offline

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I think i am more asking how difficult it would be for me to make my own version of that song without knowing basicly anything about music. What kind of timeframe would i be looking at learning the basics of BIAB, and chords, to be able to make a crude version of this song and then after that fine tune it?

#458456 - 02/20/18 01:53 PM [Songwriting] Re: Questions about what can "easily" be done [Re: osmethne]
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Do you play any instruments?

Do you have any understanding of how music works? For example, were you involved in any form of making music when at school, etc.?

#458459 - 02/20/18 02:31 PM [Songwriting] Re: Questions about what can "easily" be done [Re: Noel96]
osmethne Offline

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None of the above. But i do have an "ear" (whatever that is...) for music, can sing relatively well and can hear more "tones" than my friends. Not sure if that is of any help...

#458461 - 02/20/18 03:01 PM [Songwriting] Re: Questions about what can "easily" be done [Re: osmethne]
Noel96 Offline

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Thanks for your replies.

Understanding music is about understanding how a particular coding practice works. I suspect that the most beneficial way for you to learn how to use BIAB would be to have some lessons. That would really help a great deal.

Lessons could be in the form of personal instruction (face to face) or maybe Youtube clips or maybe a special course on music basics.

To use BIAB it's not necessary to read music but it is necessary to understand how chords work, how the rhythm of chord changes work and rhythm in general.

Joanne Cooper, one of our forums' regulars, has developed a course specifically aimed at teach beginners how to use BIAB to create songs. I haven't seen it but, from what others say, her course is accessible and very easy to understand. All agree that Joanne has done a great job putting it together. It's available at the link below. It's only $10 (US, I think but I'm not sure).

PG Music have a 30-Day, money-back guarantee. What it would be possible to do would be to get the beginner version of BIAB (the ProPak (link)) and use this in conjunction with Joanne's course to see if Band In A Box will be of benefit for you. If it turns out that BIAB will not do what you want, then simply ask for a refund.

I would suggest that you explain the above to Sales Staff at PG Music and ask about how the refund process works before committing yourself.

Hope this helps,


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RealTracks Patch Update for Windows Users

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows users can download the latest RealTracks update patch (519) here.

This patch includes some RealTracks audio updates we have made since the release of Band-in-a-Box 2018. 2018 users should be sure to download the latest Band-in-a-Box 2018 update patch (519), as that patch includes the bulk of the fixes for RealTracks released with 2018. This is a larger download than typical because it updates the Vocal Oohs and Aahs RealTracks audio files. There is more information and Audiophile patches available here.

Summary of RealTracks Audio updates:
Improved: There were small issues with the tuning of several Bass styles. This has been fixed for both the original mix and the direct input mix. This affects the following RealTracks:
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Improved: Audio glitches have been removed from the ends of phrases in the Vocal Oohs and Aahs RealTracks.

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows Patch Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows users can download the latest (free) update patch (519) here.

Summary of changes:
Added: Additional dialog available for detailed information in the StyleMaker (fields for memo, examples, and other parameters). These are set in the StyleMaker (more dialog, a button called "Style Memos etc").
Added: Help Video button Added to the Audio Harmony dialog.
Improved: ABC opening improvements with some accidentals, and leadin bars that occur in middle of song.
Improved: Audio harmonies now used Improved algorithms, and can be easily set using N voices above, M voices below (and have additional functions like duplicate melody, and dup. melody octave below).
Improved: Lyrics will be now read from .mid files that used to be karaoke files (.kar) and got renamed somewhere along the line.
Improved: Support for RealTracks that should be transposed only lower (ie heavy metal guitars) and for future Improved metal guitar comping.
Improved: The Audio Harmony Dialog has been rearranged to be more intuitive when using Band-in-a-Box Intelligent Mode.
Fixed: Audio harmonies might be missing some notes.
Fixed: Audio harmonies would be generated with the wrong notes if selecting a range of audio in the middle of the track.
Fixed: Band-in-a-Box might crash on bootup with error "Read Beyond end of file".
Fixed: Band-in-a-Box should show message if the latest VJT application is not installed when the user tries to render videos.
Fixed: File > Open Special > Open Audio was importing audio instead of opening it in a new song.
Fixed: In the Bar Settings window, "Chordsheet and Notation - Start a New Line" should say "Notation - Start a New Line".
Fixed: It was not possible to record audio using WAS audio drivers if "Output always on" was disabled.
Fixed: Misc. RealTracks updates.
Fixed: Quicklist drums picker sometimes showing too many drums in the list.
Fixed: Redundant flash messages were showing.
Fixed: Removing a custom drums from a track would still display Drums as the name of the loop in the track.
Fixed: Rendering audio while there is a region of bars highlighted in the chord sheet might cause a crash.
Fixed: Saving a MIDI file would fail unless saving as type 1.
Fixed: Some 12-key RealTracks were incorrectly set to allow transposition.
Fixed: The Audio Harmony dialog needed some hints.
Fixed: The Audio Harmony dialog was missing the new Band-in-a-Box Intelligent Mode.
Fixed: The VJT application should print out its version number in log files.

Tutorials - How to Install Your Band-in-a-Box® for Mac Hard Drive

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Option 2: Install Band-in-a-Box® on your computer hard drive, but leave the RealTracks & RealDrums on the USB hard drive: click here to view.

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Check out all our Band-in-a-Box for Mac videos here.

Video - Downloading and Installing RealTracks Sets for Band-in-a-Box® for Mac

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Thoughts on Band-in-a-Box® 2017 - Mac Power Users Discussion

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Thank you David and Katie!

Polish New Features Video for Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows

Our Polish Distributor, Sound Station, has finished their Band-in-a-Box 2018 New Features summary video (in Polish!) - click here to watch.

We hope all our Polish Band-in-a-Box users find this video helpful - thank you Sound Station!

YouTube Find - Love it (with Band-in-a-Box 2018)

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