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I started a new thread so everyone can see it. https://cakewalk.bandlab.com/Bob
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Well, very good! Thanks Bob.
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Glad that Cakewalk will be given a new lease on life; however, it is still very uncertain what that means for existing Gibson Cakewalk customers. It appears they did not buy the "business" (which to me means the customer base), just the intellectual property (with which they can now do as they please). So don't know what that means going forward. There's a lot of speculation on the discussion boards, but it's just that...speculation.
We'll see. I've moved on, but still have Sonar on my computers.
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And now Meng from BandLab has introduced himself on the Cakewalk forum and weighed in on what some of their plans are. This looks to be good news for Cakewalk users.
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This bit, contained within the post which jford linked, looks reassuring:
“I quickly wanted to address a key concern I saw in and amongst the threads so far and immediately reassure everyone that even though the suite of Cakewalk & SONAR products is now within a new company, our steadfast goal is that former SONAR owners (of all versions) will not need to spend any money to cross-over/cross-grade to the future flagship product.”
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I wonder how many Sonar users have already crossed over to another DAW and if they will return.
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I think almost all of us have evaluated alternatives and many (including myself) made purchases.
I just hope the new company keeps the servers running, and this isn’t a convenience that lets Gibson pull the plug, literally. Once we can’t authorize licenses, we’re in trouble.
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Wait!!! You're telling me I might have been right when I said not to panic, that Cake might not be dead, just give it time?
Well lawdy lawdy.....lookie there.
Still a ways from knowing if this is a good thing but hey.... could be the best thing that ever happens to Cakewalk software..... bought by a company trying to connect musicians worldwide.
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... could be the best thing that ever happens to Cakewalk software..... Herb, I like the way you think!
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I have to ask again, though I am sure I will get an earful. Why do you all hate Pro Tools so much? Only because it costs 600 bucks, or something functionally? I mean, geeze, how much money to you get to keep when you die? I have never seen a funeral procession yet with a U-Haul hitched to the hearse. It may be my unique perspective, but I plan to die with 20 bucks in my pocket. I am far from wealthy, but I am going to have every toy I want, the latest being the RV I have yet to use. I am not leaving anything to anybody in my will. A dog shelter gets whatever comes from my estate sale, but there won't be much estate when my house is gone.
Pro Tools is beautiful. I understand that there are cheaper options that you think do "the same thing". Well, by that logic, Real Band does "the same thing". Kinda sorta. There are also fake diamonds that are cheap but look almost real. Try slipping one of those onto your wife's finger when you ask her to marry you!! (It doesn't work. Don't ask how I know.) I don't always use Pro Tools, but I have it when I want to. The MIDI implementation is great. The subgroup busing is simple, graphic and painless.
I know people hate me when and because I ask these kinds of questions, but man, if you want to golf, shoot, do woodworking ... whatever your hobby is, why not buy the best equipment instead of the cheapest? It's so often the same people who buy $50 DAWs that brag about their $10000 1957 Les Paul. Nobody here is a pauper, are they? I know a drummer who spent $4000 for a snare drum yet can't keep his old car running.
It just gets old seeing "because it's what I always used." Include a picture of your horse and buggy and your ice box with your reply....
Obviously we live in free America and do what you want, but I just don't get this product loyalty that the possibility that Cakewalk was going to disappear should cause this kind of angst. It's just middle tier software, easily replaced.
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I'm listening.
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Eddie, how did Pro Tools possibly become relevant here? Wait - No, don't answer that; it would just hijack this thread.
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Eddie, how did Pro Tools possibly become relevant here? Or "anything else but Cakewalk". You guys all acted like your life would end if Cakewalk went away. Its just a computer program.
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This is good news to hear, as I have Sonar Home studio.
First impression I really like this DAW, so I can understand all the frustrations from the loyal users when the bad news came out.
But at least a corner has been turned now, and even though I have only the basic version I am happy to hear this.
There was a thread on here a few weeks ago on off topic I believe where someone posted (was It Larry, I can't remember correctly) where Home Studio is still available without cost, so as a beginner user to Sonar, I think non Sonar users could do a lot worse than grab that offer if it is still available.
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Wait!!! You're telling me I might have been right when I said not to panic, that Cake might not be dead, just give it time?
Well lawdy lawdy.....lookie there.
Still a ways from knowing if this is a good thing but hey.... could be the best thing that ever happens to Cakewalk software..... bought by a company trying to connect musicians worldwide. But Herb isn't that what we said when Cakewalk was sold to Roland? Or when it was sold to Gibson? I do hope it is the best thing to happen to Cakewalk. I would like to see them succeed. IF they make Sonar as easy to use as Studio One Pro then I might consider going back. But IF Studio One Pro improves the MIDI portion of its DAW then I will stay with them. I know a lot of ifs! YMMV
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Music lover, you’re right about SONAR Home Studio. But now I have no clue what’s what.
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But Herb isn't that what we said when Cakewalk was sold to Roland? Or when it was sold to Gibson? I’ll have to admit that I was very optimistic when Roland bought Cakewalk and especially when they started rolling out things like the control surface. I wasn’t optimistic at all when Gibson Brands snapped up Cakewalk and TASCAM. I can recall commenting that Gibson Brands has historically been where good companies go to die.
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I know people hate me when and because I ask these kinds of questions I doubt people get the least bit upset over your questions. It’s probably the snarky commentary that you add to them.
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I was disappointed when the original news was announced, but I always hoped that someone would shine a light.
Let's hope the battery doesn't go flat.
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I've been using cakewalk for years, started off with PS 8. On sonar X2 now. Why stop using if the company folds ? If you like using the programme, keep using it.
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I've been using cakewalk for years, started off with PS 8. On sonar X2 now. Why stop using if the company folds ? If you like using the programme, keep using it. In my case, I love Master Tracks Pro (MIDI sequencer). It loads quickly, saves instantly, has great editing features, and without audio added on there are no sub menus and sub-sub menus so I spend much more time with my hands on the musical instrument and much less time with my hands on the computer keyboard. I've been using MTPro since I had an Atari ST and a Motorola CPU Mac. Later when they went with a Win 3.1 version I added the PC. Unfortunately it was orphaned in the XP days, and continued to work up until Win 8. With Win 10 it no longer works. If Cakewalk doesn't get a new home and/or if the new home doesn't keep updating it, there may be a time when Cakewalk will no longer work with a future OS update. I'm still running it on an old XP computer. When I get done working with the MIDI, if I want to add audio, I just port the MIDI file over to a newer computer. Notes
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With Win 10 it no longer works. Even in compatibility mode? Do you get any kind of error message? Perhaps the Windows 10 sound handling changes?
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Thanks for link (I'm drowning in searches & links for half a dozen other topics so current events on SONAR & Gibson are not in my current AOR)
Quick skim however, mentioned two folks "joining the new team," one of which is the REASON I left a year and a half ago (no names).
So very unlikely I'm moving back to SONAR, or whatever re-branded name they come up with, unless the new tech management lays down some better "how to deploy and implement" rules at a minimum.
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Well with all the idea of Sonar not being around I decided to have a look at Reaper and have found some things are indeed easier to perform in Reaper (e.g. Slicing and pasteing audio). I think I have found several reasons to keep and use both but I doubt I'll be spending as much trying to keep Sonar current. With ReaCWP Reaper has the ability to open Sonar projects, whilst not perfect it is ok for my purposes.
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Welcome to the Reaper side. Many of us here like it also. It doesn't replace PGMusic but is a nice tool to have in the tool box.
After a little time you may find another Theme helps your workflow even more.
I've found some themes cause me to use an entirely different workflow, which is interesting, though I am still experimenting and finding what themes I like for different things.
Make your sound your own!
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I feel each product has its own area that makes the total more complete. BAIB is really great for designing music and getting ideas etc. RealBand is great as a next step in editing then move onto another DAW to chop, channel, slice and mix the stuff one has generated. Then get the mix and final bits done. I think working across platforms and getting the best out of each is the easier way to go.
Just my thoughts
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With Win 10 it no longer works. Even in compatibility mode? Do you get any kind of error message? Perhaps the Windows 10 sound handling changes? I tried that. It worked in the XP mode in Win 8. I have an old pre win95 8dot3 filename copy that will not install at all. I have a copy from about 2004 (which I think was their last attempt) that installed, worked in Win8 but won't open in Win10. I've tried this, the troubleshooter tells me to use the XP service pack 3 mode, testing does nothing, changing versions of Win doesn't help either. I have a feeling that when GVox bought the rights to the from Microsoft, after MS bought it from Passport Designs to use the technology in Power Point, GVox cobbled something together and took some short-cuts in programming that don't work anymore (just a guess from remarks in the MTPro forum - which is now about as dead as the app). Life moves on, I'm happy with it on the XP computers, and this summer when the work is slow, I plan on trying Cubase to see if that is a valid alternative. Like I said, I don't mind learning a new way of doing things, I just hate to take the time to learn it if it isn't going to work for me. My best guess so far from others is that either Cakewalk or Cubase have the best MIDI editing functions (better than Pro Tools) and since Cakewalk's future is insecure, that makes Cubase the best candidate. Notes
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If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
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