Hi.Really getting frustrated(and that is never a good thing)with getting Real Track 1278 to play right.It jerks and jumps and alsoplays rogue chords if ever I try to use them in a hold or rest like G... But thtis one is the Pits,guys!What IS going on here?Its a simple enough ending.3chords each one as a hold.See pic.The first G plays some disgraceful discord, the second doesnt play at all,the third plays another,different bad chord.Unuseable. Anyone else get this or can offer a solution? Link to SGU- https://app.box.com/s/6btcrlxlhvjkzdrd84qzevfngtbmwalj link to mp3 of ending as it plays for me- https://app.box.com/s/aftsuttww8ylhd7og4t1ie2a8i8a0cwu Wendy
Last edited by WendyM; 03/18/1806:19 AM.
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Well, I downloaded and had a listen, and yes, I can confirm, that's really, really bad.
The first two times I played it with your frozen track settings and all instruments stopped at the last held chord (bar 67). I unfroze and regenerated and after that the drums only played through until the end.
It's interesting that there is some transcribed notation for the Synth pad, but nothing from bar 67 onwards until bar 75. (Maybe the transcriber couldn't handle the discordance ) I did wonder where the E and the C came from in the supposedly G chord at bar 65 and several other places.
I'd be sending the song to PG Music support for a listen and possibly mentioning this thread.
(Incidentally, I did find some improvement if I put my fingers in my ears at about bar 64 )
Last edited by VideoTrack; 03/18/1807:53 AM. Reason: Added another screen capture
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Thanks for taking the time and trouble to look and listen and More.I'll look at taking the 2 bar ending out.Its not used anyway as i find BB endings more trouble than there worth to get them towork as I want,so I go for held chords and fade out. I didnt say but eatlier re-gens not only affected tge ending chords differently every time but also the two holds earlier in the SGU. Wendy
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I regenerated and played the song file "as is" and it sounded like crap. I then unfroze (all tracks) and played it, and it sounded fine. It played exactly the way you said you wanted it to play. I also regenerated it and then played it again, and it was fine.
I took a look at the notation and it had very little to do with what was actually playing.
As an experiment, you might try loading the song into Real Band (and immediately it save as a 'SEQ' file) and then load another instance of 1278 plus it's Real Chart. Then play the Real Chart through a midi instrument to see what it sounds like compared to the Real Track.
I regenerated that track 4 times. I continue to be concerned about the Bb with the G natural chord (amongst other unusual notation, like the F# with the F natural chord).
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Hello Wendy, and all. I don't get on here as much as I would like these days but I spotted this this morning.
I have run the SGU and get the same bad result. If I unfreeze all the tracks and then regenerate, I have not had a single instance whereby at least ONE of the held chords has not been some kind of weird un-chord. However, with perseverance I did get one that ALL the chords came out right. That's the one to freeze, Wendy. ;-{)
It shouldn't be like this though. Friends like Videotrack have far more knowledge of the inner workings of a) music and b) BiaB than many and personally I am thankful that they put the time and effort into helping. BUT - I would guess that MANY Users just want to input chords and get the RIGHT result and not have to fanny around to make it work. I am certainly in that core and maybe Wendy is too.
RT1278 has been a bad RT for as long as I can remember and I've even sent my own examples up to Support.
Workaround for Wendy - make a new SGU using Save As - "xxx2" (whatever). Go and find a midi Style of a similar nature that has, say, 49 Strings or 51 Syn Strings, make a wav file from that track and use it instead. It works for me 50% of the time as a substitution.
Cheers ian
BTW -I recognised instantly what the tune is. Are you a Shadows fan too? I am going to "borrow" your SGU if I may.
Last edited by sixchannel; 03/19/1812:44 AM.
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Videotrack,now you know whatI'm up against.What I found odd too was not only that the chords play the wrong notes BUT the middle chord of F didnt play at all.Further regens I cant get all 3 to play right together no matter how many times I do it.I tried the removing the 2 bar ending tick as suggested even though Im not using any BB ending.It made no difference to them. Nelson and Sixchannel,Im not into the Shadows but my dad is.He's older than me.Lmao.He mucks about on a guitar and he taught me when I was a teenager and his fave is this tune Wonderful Land.It sounded so easy and perfect for BB to make a backing track for it until it all came unglued at the end.I prefer pop standards ana bit of modern country or pop rock when I gig out.I'm corrently having a cuss at Jambalaya but I'll get there.Thank you for the tip sixchannel.I have done that before when Ive needed strings and 1278 rears its ugly head in an RT Stle.The best way I find is to START with a suitable MIDI Style that has the strings etc that I want and then swap RTs in as appropriate.Hope that doesnt sound stupid but it works. Wendy
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Well, I downloaded and had a listen, and yes, I can confirm, .... (Incidentally, I did find some improvement if I put my fingers in my ears at about bar 64 )
Aarghh, sounds like an out-of-tune brass-fiddle band of monkeys, taking breaks for a banana, but i heard worse. PS this RT could be replaced by some (cleverly) programmed usertrack; a bit beyond my capabilities, but good fun if one wants to dive into it.
F.i. a lot of string pads from (sound wav) .SF sources for sforzando or even exported halion wavs etc already sound 10 times better for strings and pads.
A tip for padding & background strings programming: in arrangements i like to steer away from thirds, as they define a chord too much and often make a melody less standing out.
Real violinists etc. in an orchestra always adapt and fiddle with the pitch of 3rds, related to the chord and 'song' key they play in; why a classical orchestra always will sound better than a computerized backing, it's worthwhile there often to take the time and edit thirds individually. Something also impossible (without using multi channelized midi macro steering?) in BIAB; 6ths or 9ths often work better, but are hard to program for one track only within BIAB. Wishlist?: An embedded Autotune plugin with properly chosen (adapted) scales could be an easy way out for such Realtracks. ... F
This one's sounding rough for me too, even when I use it on new songs. I'll make sure this gets added to the bug list.
Thanks Kent PG Music
Thanks Kent.While your looking at it please fix the bad huffing and puffing and wheezing of this RT as well.Often the chord comes in too late and if you look at the wave in your DAW youll see little gaps in front of the chord before it plays.it makes it sound awful.Ta. Wendy
BiaB2022PLUS,927. every extras pack I can find ;-),Sonar7XL,Win 10
While your looking at it please fix the bad huffing and puffing and wheezing of this RT as well.Often the chord comes in too late and if you look at the wave in your DAW youll see little gaps in front of the chord before it plays.it makes it sound awful.Ta. Wendy
You're saying it needs more than a little band-aid? I feel very confident that it's in good hands, now.
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While your looking at it please fix the bad huffing and puffing and wheezing of this RT as well.Often the chord comes in too late and if you look at the wave in your DAW youll see little gaps in front of the chord before it plays.it makes it sound awful.Ta. Wendy
You're saying it needs more than a little band-aid? I feel very confident that it's in good hands, now.
It better!! Just so you can see it here is the screenshot from RB of the opening bars for 1278.Those gaps make it huff and jerk soemthing awful.what on earth Won't bang on any more about the ending.Lets hope that Kent finds out what is scrwing it up and mends it-with BandAid,or Elastoplast(in the UK).
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) I did wonder where the E and the C came from in the supposedly G chord at bar 65 and several other places.
) 
Just so you can see it here is the screenshot from RB of the opening bars for 1278.Those gaps make it huff and jerk soemthing awful.what on earth 
Won't bang on any more about the ending.Lets hope that Kent finds out what is scrwing it up and mends it-with BandAid,or Elastoplast(in the UK). 
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