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#469316 04/25/18 04:40 PM
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Can someone define what this does to a song in 25 words or less? I have canceled out of it every time. Can I just turn it off so I don't even see it? I don't want my songs to drop acid..... Why is this feature named after LSD anyway?

I have tried to find a clear reference to this in the manual but did not.


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The term comes from a DAW originally called "Acid". It was one of the original that was largely based on loops

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Pro

When tracks are Acidized, they will stretch properly in DAWs that have a built in stretch feature - meaning they will fit whatever tempo you assign to a song in your DAW. You can then change the tempo of the song in your DAW and the track will stretch (or shrink) appropriately.

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25 words or less!! Thank you. I will start allowing it now that I know what it is.


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...also allows for changing the pitch of the loop using chord roots. This is particularly useful for single note recordings like bass.


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Floyd nailed this one smile Acidized is a term used for loops which have tempo and pitch data attached to the file. This is how the program "Acid" reads the file and is able to mix different loops of different tempos to sync in the program.


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one thing that is cool about BIAB and RBs loop capability is that ANY audio snippet can be used for looping... but you have to fill in the little dialog boxes to provide the missing information that is already included in an acidized snippet

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Originally Posted By: Pat Marr
one thing that is cool about BIAB and RBs loop capability is that ANY audio snippet can be used for looping... but you have to fill in the little dialog boxes to provide the missing information that is already included in an acidized snippet


Yup,

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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
The term comes from a DAW originally called "Acid". It was one of the original that was largely based on loops

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_Pro

When tracks are Acidized, they will stretch properly in DAWs that have a built in stretch feature - meaning they will fit whatever tempo you assign to a song in your DAW. You can then change the tempo of the song in your DAW and the track will stretch (or shrink) appropriately.


And.... I believe it also changes the key.

I created a few tracks in BB/RB.... moved them to Sonar only to discover that the audio tracks had been converted to a totally different key.... it took me a few minutes to find out what had happened and turn off the acid feature.... re-export the tracks and everything worked great.


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And.... I believe it also changes the key.

I created a few tracks in BB/RB.... moved them to Sonar only to discover that the audio tracks had been converted to a totally different key.... it took me a few minutes to find out what had happened and turn off the acid feature.... re-export the tracks and everything worked great.


The Acidize function in BIAB does not change the key (it does ALLOW for key changes). It was likely a setting in Sonar (set to some default) that changed it. If you find that and set it correctly, the track should play correctly.

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Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker

And.... I believe it also changes the key.


Acid loops are designed so that the entire loop can be shifted in pitch up or down. When you are using software like ACID or SONAR that had the ability to work on ACID’s transpose feature, when you place the loop into the DAW, the loop automatically transposes to match the key of the project. Now before you remind me that your imported loops didn’t match the key of your SONAR project, let me point out there are a couple of things that can get you results other than what you expect. One, you have to tell an ACID loop what the original key of the loop was when you create it. If you tell it incorrectly, or it incorrectly makes a default choice, it might make an unexpected transposition when you get it into your project. Another issue can arise if you start a project and don’t select a project key when you start. I can record a song in the key of D, all the while having the project set to C, and not notice any problem until I bring my key of D ACID loop into the project. SONAR is going to transpose the loop to C.


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Nothing I hate more than having my tambourine loop change key!!!



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I believe that acidizing would also map out beat points so that it didn’t have to time stretch rhythmic loops, it would turn each emphasized beat in a loop into its own mini loop. I might be confusing that with some more modern time and pitch stretching algorithms.

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I believe that acidizing would also map out beat points so that it didn’t have to time stretch rhythmic loops, it would turn each emphasized beat in a loop into its own mini loop. I might be confusing that with some more modern time and pitch stretching algorithms.
I believe you are describing Rex files, first created for use with the program Re-Cycle by Propellerhead Software. Propellerhead Software programs can automatically detects the beats within an audio clip. The program can also divide an audio clip into many small slices. The audio clips are called REX files after the REX file extension.

Re-Cycle is a very versatile program. For example if you have an audio clip composed of eighth notes starting at A and ascending to E the program will divide the clip into the eight note components and allow you to rearrange the eight notes into any order you desire.


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This all sounds so interesting. I just watched a tutorial on Ableton live and was wondering how they stretch the audio samples of the clips and also how they got it to “fit” the key of the song. So know I know. I’m going to try and download the trial version of Ableton and try acidizing some of my BIAB tracks.

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I believe that acidizing would also map out beat points so that it didn’t have to time stretch rhythmic loops, it would turn each emphasized beat in a loop into its own mini loop. I might be confusing that with some more modern time and pitch stretching algorithms.
I believe you are describing Rex files, first created for use with the program Re-Cycle by Propellerhead Software. Propellerhead Software programs can automatically detects the beats within an audio clip. The program can also divide an audio clip into many small slices. The audio clips are called REX files after the REX file extension.

Re-Cycle is a very versatile program. For example if you have an audio clip composed of eighth notes starting at A and ascending to E the program will divide the clip into the eight note components and allow you to rearrange the eight notes into any order you desire.


Yes Rex files did this, but so did Acid files if I'm not mistaken.

But most recently, I remember what it was where I saw this demo'ed. Tracktion 6 DAW (which is truly and entirely free, not like Reaper's not so free nag screen, nor Audacity which is not a DAW). Tracktion calls them warp points in a loop and lets you take an audio loop and adjust the timing individual beat points in a loop.

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Warping is what Ableton calls it too.

As far as the original name of the Acid Pro software, of course the name Acid was a too cool for school insider musician thing. Just like the name Doobie Brothers...

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