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Hi guys, I have been away from this program for a good little while. Most likely forgot a bunch of stuff. There are 6 real tracks and 1 lead guitar track I played live. _E12STSS.STY RootsRock w/ 12St.ElecGuit(85RS) The mix down from BB to Sonar https://soundcloud.com/user-423425943/mix-2The BB 368 Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming, EV 065 Track I have a question about. https://soundcloud.com/user-423425943/guitar-acousticwavThe chord progression is Am,Dm,G,Cmaj7,Fmaj7,Bmin7 flat 5,E7,Am If you listen to the acoustic track, measure four, the Cmaj7 sounds really messed up. I can fix it in Melodyne but I would like to know how you guys would deal with this sort of issue? Thanks, Billy BTW...If this is not the right place to post this question someone let me know.
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In the first instance I would open the project in RealBand then select the offending part and Generatate Multi riff over it have a listen to the various options and see if this fixes the issue. Or, maybe set the real track to generate a simpler version but this might make other parts of the track not so good. Another way is to regenerate the track a few times keep the best (you have to save each regeneration as a .wav). If you save several versions of the wav file you can then comp the best bits in Sonar. Or maybe cut/copy and paste the part from elsewhere in the track. (Use zero crossing points and crossovers for the cut/copy and paste.)
I have found replacing the offending part much more natural sounding than manipulating the part using Melodyne (Melodyne often leaves artifacts.)
Several ways I’d look at it.
Tony
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Have you set Natural Arrangement to disable for this song? It's under Song Settings. Usually the culprit for me.
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lose the Cmaj7 and try other options..... C7, Cmaj, and just plain old C. I;m betting a regen might solve it too.... if not.... change it to C and let it roll.
I've heard that same thing in some of my tracks generated in BB as well.... first, though, just do a regen on that one track.
In the mix I really can't hear the wonky sounding Cmaj7. So... changing to a C or pulling it down a few dB is a sure fix... in other words, hide it in the mix. I listened to the mix first and was thinking...OK, here's the Cmaj7.... hummmm, I don't hear anything that really stands out as weird.... maybe I didn't listen close enough, ok, play it again..... same place... nope....
BTW..... that progression really sounds like Carlos Santana's Europa IIRC.
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Thanks guys
The question is more about process than fixing this song
The issue is buried in the mix as it is now
I guess I was wondering why it would occur in any event
I don’t have much of an idea how BB generates a track
I am at the Dr office atm...several hours of new teeth implants today
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I can normally fix issues like this with other software but it is a good bit of work
Thanks
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I think you did a really great job. It has a lovely sound to it. I think I favour the acoustic version but that's just me personally.
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lose the Cmaj7 and try other options..... C7, Cmaj, and just plain old C. I;m betting a regen might solve it too.... if not.... change it to C and let it roll.
I've heard that same thing in some of my tracks generated in BB as well.... first, though, just do a regen on that one track.
In the mix I really can't hear the wonky sounding Cmaj7. So... changing to a C or pulling it down a few dB is a sure fix... in other words, hide it in the mix. I listened to the mix first and was thinking...OK, here's the Cmaj7.... hummmm, I don't hear anything that really stands out as weird.... maybe I didn't listen close enough, ok, play it again..... same place... nope....
BTW..... that progression really sounds like Carlos Santana's Europa IIRC. Hi there, how are you. Changing to the C chord in the acoustic part is a good solution as the B note is being sounded else where. C7 would not work because you would have the Cmaj7 playing on the piano part...C E G B and C7....C E G B flat. The B and B flat would sound very discordant. Thanks for reminding me about "Europa". It has some very nice parts to the solo which I had forgotten. What I played was more like Gary Moore style out of Parisienne Walkways. Only issue with BB on this is no way to put this in 12/8 time. I think I will go back and study Europa which was written in 4/4 and try to incorporate some of the solo ideas. My guess is Carlos may have got a lot of the idea for Europa from Y volveré ... Los Ángeles Negros 1971 which is close and recorded 5 years earlier I am mainly trying to explore what can and can not be done with BB. Thanks, Billy
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I think you did a really great job. It has a lovely sound to it. I think I favour the acoustic version but that's just me personally. Hi Ember, Thanks for the kind words. Perhaps I will try to do a acoustic version of this.
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In the first instance I would open the project in RealBand then select the offending part and Generatate Multi riff over it have a listen to the various options and see if this fixes the issue. Or, maybe set the real track to generate a simpler version but this might make other parts of the track not so good. Another way is to regenerate the track a few times keep the best (you have to save each regeneration as a .wav). If you save several versions of the wav file you can then comp the best bits in Sonar. Or maybe cut/copy and paste the part from elsewhere in the track. (Use zero crossing points and crossovers for the cut/copy and paste.)
I have found replacing the offending part much more natural sounding than manipulating the part using Melodyne (Melodyne often leaves artifacts.)
Several ways I’d look at it.
Tony Thanks for the ideas Tony. I have never used Real Band much. I should go back and have a look at it. Melodyne is for sure not the easiest program to use. Thanks, Billy
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Planobilly,
How about posting the whole song?
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