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Edit: Minor changes in the mix.

The Writing on the Wall

Aberdine's bound for Texas
She packed her bags one morning
And left without a forwarding address
It's like she'd never even been here
With nothin' round to keep her
No one in town she's gonna miss

Aberdine hopped a greyhound
She's dreaming of tomorrow
Leaving darker days far behind
Already forgot me
And the promises she made
They somehow never crossed her mind

CHORUS
No, I don't blame her none
Though she lied and she said she'd call
When your heart believes
It's hard to clearly read
The writing on the wall
The writing on the wall

Aberdine's gone to texas
I wake up in the morning
And I just can't believe that she's gone
I'll keep on pretending
That phone is gonna ring
And that she's finally comin' home


Technical Details
Strummed Guitars - Native Instruments, Strummed Acoustic 1 & 2
Bass - Electric, ModernCountrySync Ev16 100
Piano - Rhythm PopRootsyJohn Ev16 100
Drums - EZ Drummer, Vintage Rock Kit
Strings - Garritan Personal Orchestra, Session Strings
Vocal Processing - Waves Tune, Nectar
Mastering - Ozone 7 Elements
Effects - EZMix
DAW - Reaper

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This song took a lot more work to finish that I expected. To be honest, I wasn't sure I'd ever get it done!

In what seemed like a good idea at the time, I decided that it would be a good idea to upgrade my computer with parts assembled from Craigslist. Wrong size case, bad power supply, problems installing Windows, issues with the video card... Even today, when it's relatively stable, it still crashed on me three times while editing the mix. (Turning off one of the overclocking options in the BIOS might have fixed that problem).

First world problems a-plenty. crazy

Continuing my personal songwriting challange, this time time around I figured I should build a song from ground up using BiaB. I ended up with the PopRootsyJohn style, but ended up replacing just about every other BiaB track except for the piano and bass.

I had a lot of tracks here - including a Korg M1 and Wavestation - but in the mixing stage, it was apparent that more is actually less. The mix is probably still too busy... feel free to comment on that, too, if that floats your boat. smile

One nice thing about the style is that the piano part is MIDI, so I was able edit various bits like the intro and the bridge and thicken the right hand voicing up a bit. I tried a bunch of pianos sounds, and ended up with the one from BiaB, doubled with an electric piano.

I also got stuck in Rewrite Hell. After working out the backing tracks and a melody, I ended up writing three different songs before I got one I liked. Even then, I spent way too long finessing the lyrics. David Snyder I'm not.

Singing is always a challenge. I envisioned the song sung an octave lower, but I'm really pitchy in that register, and some of the notes were too low for the pitch correction software to recognize! blush

Even when I set the melody in a decent register, it took several sessions before I was able to get usable vocals. My hat's off to you folk who make all this look so easy!

With the recent discussion about "modern" vocals, I decided to have a go at it myself. There's a plethora of effects on the lead vocal, including a hard "auto tuned" version sitting under the lead, as well as an even quieter version of the lead pitched a whole octave down! And that's not even including what Nectar, EZ Mix, Ozone Elements and other plugins are doing.

As usual, feedback of all sorts is appreciated.

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Hi David.. I had to laugh reading your computer woes.... I am going through the same thing. I had a laptop with 500 gigs harddive and now they gave me one with only 250!! Then I order another 500 SSD drive and some extra memory at the time ..both wrong type etc.. etc.

I enjoyed the song very much David. I think we need to hear more from you!


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David,
the lyrics sound fine. They sound right. Reading them in isolation may have been problematic for you but in-sit u they work - they tell a story well.
The song rolls along really nicely. Your vocal sounds a little nasal but I don't know your work so don't know if that's you, a cold or the plugs.
Your vocal doesn't sound auto-tuned so you've obviously needed very little or know how to wrangle it really well.
Computers are cruelly addictive devices and, like all people & things that seek to inveigle themselves into our lives, they like to let us know how much we need them by throwing a shoe every now & then. I'm hamstrung by a machine running XP that works beautifully with my VSTs, isn't keen on the latest Reaper and won't run anything after BIAB 2011 BUT I'm able to do what I need so far - so, so good.
I enjoyed your song & your story.


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Really work here! Despite all your computer issues, this tune turned out fantastic. Your vocals are really strong here, especially the harmonies on the hook. I liked the lyrics a lot as well, personally.

You should be proud of this one - thanks for sharing smile


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Excellent song, bouncy tune!!

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Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
I enjoyed the song very much David. I think we need to hear more from you!

Hi, Joanne.

I'm glad you enjoyed it! Sorry to hear about your computer.

When it's not crashing, this computer works a lot better than the prior one - faster processor, more memory, better video - so I can't really complain. It no longer gets super-sluggish when editing songs.

I've been following your various posts, and I was really tempted to download Melodyne this round just to compare it against Waves Tune. But if I liked it, that would be another chunk of cash out the door, so I resisted... this time around. wink


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Originally Posted By: rayc
the lyrics sound fine. They sound right. Reading them in isolation may have been problematic for you but in-sit u they work - they tell a story well.

Hi, Ray.

Sorry, I was unclear. I'm happy with how the lyrics turned out, but there were a host of large and small changes along the way. There's a time when the marginal value of making changes is so low that you call it finished, but I'm pretty poor at gauging that point.

It also makes the song harder to sing, when the "old" lyric is still in my head, even though I've got the new lyric typed out in front of me to read... cry

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Your vocal sounds a little nasal but I don't know your work so don't know if that's you, a cold or the plugs.

It's me. I should have swept through the frequencies to and cut that honking tone. Thanks for reminding me!

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Your vocal doesn't sound auto-tuned so you've obviously needed very little or know how to wrangle it really well.

I need a lot more than I'd like! One of the reasons I had to re-sing the song (several times) was that it couldn't be tuned. For example, vibrato has both pitch and volume. You can re-tune the frequency, but the change in volume will still be there. Similarly, a lot of vocal errors had timbre issues embedded in them.

Live and learn. The next performances were a lot better.

But I'm also getting a bit better at tuning. wink

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Thanks!


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For what it's worth, I couldn't hear the computer issues in your song wink

Man, to me this seems like it could be a beatles song. So cool! I'm not sure if you've heard on them?

This was a great start to my listening day on here. Thanks for sharing it. smile


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Originally Posted By: Deryk - PG Music
Really work here!

Yeah, a lot more work than I hoped it would be! Especially since most of the harmonies were accidental. wink

I was going to add harmonies this time around, but was happy to hear that the vocals seemed to work OK without harmonies. Because that would have been morework!

Thanks! I'm glad the song worked for you. I'm happy with how it turned out, but often - and this was no exception - it seems that up until the final mixdown, the song's just not going to gel. You can't really "fix it in the mix", but you can fix the offending things in the mix, in my case often by removing stuff that doesn't need to be there.


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Originally Posted By: cliftond
Excellent song, bouncy tune!!

Thanks, Clifton! smile


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Really, really like this!! I hear a lot of 60's British influence (which I love). Orchestration is simply excellent!! Exceptionally nice listen!! Take care. Greg

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Really good stuff and a very honest description of your labour on this song.

I think the time effort etc., shows through on the final production.

You should be proud of this one, a comment was made about the song sounding like the Beatles I definitely heard that as in the Ringo styled songs.


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Originally Posted By: HearToLearn
Man, to me this seems like it could be a beatles song. So cool! I'm not sure if you've heard on them?

Hehehe. You crack me up. smile

Thanks for the nice words.


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Originally Posted By: Greg Johnson
Really, really like this!! I hear a lot of 60's British influence (which I love). Orchestration is simply excellent!! Exceptionally nice listen!!

Thanks, Greg.

I actually ran the strings through a vinyl plugin to hint at a Mellotron sound, although I doubt it came out that way.

Originally Posted By: beatmaster
...a comment was made about the song sounding like the Beatles I definitely heard that as in the Ringo styled songs.

Hey, Ringo songs are fine with me! laugh


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Hey, Ringo songs are fine with me!

wasn't BEING FUNNY JUST HONEST !!!!


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Hi David,

Really enjoyed this tune a lot. Very quality writing and well produced.

There's a quiet, I think string part, that kinda sounds like vocals that plays thru much of the tune. My suggestion would be to remove it. I REALLY like all the strings in the last stanza and I like the louder, more arpeggiated string part, but I'm not sure that quieter, pad like part, adds much?

Anyway that's a small thing,

Very nice tune, production and writing

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Originally Posted By: beatmaster
Hey, Ringo songs are fine with me!

wasn't BEING FUNNY JUST HONEST !!!!


As am I.

Any comparison to (just about) any Beatles song is a good thing, thanks! smile


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Any comparison to (just about) any Beatles song is a good thing, thanks!

Correct it was/is a big compliment.


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Originally Posted By: Ian Ferrin
Really enjoyed this tune a lot. Very quality writing and well produced.

Hi, Ian.

Thanks for the kind words.

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There's a quiet, I think string part, that kinda sounds like vocals that plays thru much of the tune. My suggestion would be to remove it.

Thanks so much for catching that - I'll correct that in the next mix. It's a vocal guide track should have been muted. blush


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Straight up reminded me of the seventies.This is well written and produced David. Enjoyed the story line.Rob

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Originally Posted By: Rob4580
Straight up reminded me of the seventies. This is well written and produced David. Enjoyed the story line.

Thanks, Rob! I'm glad you enjoyed it. laugh

Thanks for commenting on SoundCloud! Unfortunately, the comment got lost when I uploaded the new mix, but I appreciate it.


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Hello, David

Very good melody!
The Turn chords are very effective.
(D - A on C# - G on B - G - A7)
The melody with stretta is very cool.
(Pretending to end to Tonic and continue melody as is)
Orchestration is simply excellent.
And your vocal is also very pleasant.
There is a pity in only one place.
It is the place that string obligato is the same movement as the bass line.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.

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Hi David! I really like this tune just the way that it was! I was immediately hooked with the word “Aberdeen” and how it’s 3-notes kicked things off… I’m curious whether there is a real Aberdeen or is it totally fictional?

I liked you vocal, very easy to listen to. I’d say too much angst over something that, as it stands is a really cool piece of work.

I have a spot on my dining room ceiling that I taped and patched a long time ago...it always bugs me because I know I could have done a better job, but no one except me has ever noticed it!

When I get into those moods about my music work I usually decide to set it aside and revisit later, and I often have more time to focus on the small fixes and sometimes some brand new ideas.

Thanks for sharing this really enjoy work!

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" it was apparent that more is actually less..." We could not agree more. As I often quote "perfection is approached not when there is nothhing left to add --but rather when there is nothing left to take away."

Greg pretty much nailed our feelings, "Really, really like this!! I hear a lot of 60's British influence (which I love). Orchestration is simply excellent!! Exceptionally nice listen!!"

We always enjoy your backstories on the production. I'm lucky to have (in many ways) "one take and I'm outa here Janice" as I can easily wear myself out just on our simple 4-5 track backing mixes.

We think that your choice of tracks and mix is excellent and well support your vocal. Most of the vocal processing is above my pay grade but whatever you did sounds fine to us.

Your choice of RT's work together very nicely. I rarely every use a complete style...they are cool jumping off places but, man, are there a lot of options after that!

Nice listen!

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PPS You mentioned losing comments on a new upload. You can use the replace file option and keep everything else. FWIW

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Hi, Shigeki.

Originally Posted By: animarorecords
The Turn chords are very effective
(D - A/C# - G/B - G - A7)

You've got good ears! I'm fond of using stepwise basslines, they can make ordinary progressions sound better than they really are.

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There is a pity in only one place.
It is the place that string obligato is the same movement as the bass line.

Hehehehe. I didn't think anyone would really notice!

It was originally only meant for the cello section, but I extended it out to the higher strings as well because I thought it made a nice build. But yes, it's lazy writing. laugh

I'm glad you enjoyed it! The next time I'm tempted to do sloppy string writing, I'll keep you in mind (but probably do it anyway wink ).


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Originally Posted By: Tano Music
I’m curious whether there is a real Aberdeen or is it totally fictional?

Well, there's always emotional truth, but I try not to make my songs that autobiographical. My life isn't that interesting, and I'm glad for that!

The way I figure it, a songwriter's obligation to the listener to provide an emotionally satisfying story outweighs the need to tell a personal story. For me, that means using proxies that are easily recognizable and evoke similar emotional resonance without requiring a lot of backstory.

One of the things that attracted me to this piano track was the feeling of nostalgia, and I was trying to capture that. I was thinking about the song Ventura Highway. It reminds me of when my older brother headed off to college, and I remember watching the Greyhound bus carry him off to Los Angeles, and the being left behind in cloud of diesel.

So I was listening to the melody line that I'd worked out ahead of time, looping it over and over, trying to find words to fit the pattern, and finally a line came to mind:

Aberdeen's gone to Texas...

That pretty much wrote the song. I figured that since it was a three verse song, it would make sense to re-use that line at the start of the verse to create the transitions for a a going/going/gone sort of storyline.

There are a number of events in my life that inform the lyrics. One was a breakup with a girlfriend, and the realization at the time that I simply wasn't important to her anymore. I think that's the emotional center on the song:

No one in this town she's gonna miss...

The rest of the song was built in a similar manner. I only had three verses to work with, because I'd written the music ahead of time, and the piano was getting the bridge.

The "reveal" of the relationship in the third verse, because that's what a third verse does.

So there's no "Aberdeen", but there are specific events that I've drawn on in writing the song. Plus, this is clearly written in a "classic" country song style, so which sort of emotional touchstones it uses are influenced by that genre.

Did that answer the question?

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I liked you vocal, very easy to listen to. I’d say too much angst over something that, as it stands is a really cool piece of work.

I appreciate the reassurance. I just figured that it might have value to people to hear a bit more about the process.

While recording the vocal, my son was playing D&D online with his friends, and I had to edit out portions where you could hear him say things like "...I've got 1000 gold pieces" and chair squeaks. smile

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Thanks David...I love to hear the back story just like you told it above. I'm also not real interested in making songs autobiographical...but sometimes I'll hear someone's name--friend, relative, stranger-- and that will somehow click into a song idea. Thanks for filling in the "here's how it came about" info!

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David,

That's a great song... I like the way it grooves along. Great mix and vocal.

Excellent job.

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Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
" it was apparent that more is actually less..." We could not agree more. As I often quote "perfection is approached not when there is nothing left to add -- but rather when there is nothing left to take away."

That reminds me of the quote often (mis?)attributed to Albert Einstein: Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.


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We think that your choice of tracks and mix is excellent and well support your vocal. Most of the vocal processing is above my pay grade but whatever you did sounds fine to us.

Thanks, coming from you that means a lot. laugh

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Yeah, there's really an embarrassment of riches in the options that are available.

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I'll check that out. I think it's only available in the paid version of SoundCloud.

Thanks for the feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed it.


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Originally Posted By: rsdean
That's a great song... I like the way it grooves along. Great mix and vocal.

Thanks for listening, Bob. I'm glad you liked it.


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David,
I enjoyed this and agree with the positive comments- your voice sounds good. Definite Ringo/Nick Lowe Brit. pop sound which is so easy to like.
Well done!

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Originally Posted By: Robertkc
Definite Ringo/Nick Lowe Brit. pop sound which is so easy to like.

Thanks, Robert! I appreciate the compliment.

But are we talking early "pop" Nick, or the current "country" version? wink

I saw Nick play last year with Los Straitjackets, and he can put on a show! And I saw him a couple years prior to that in a solo show at a little local venue, and he was awesome. I wish I had that kind of energy.... ever!

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I can hear a lot of Brit pop influences in your songs and that's why your songs are so easily likable - I grew up listening to Brit pop bands in the 80's. Very catchy chorus. Your voice works really well with the effects, once again. The arrangement is fragile, but airy - just like the lyrics. Well done.

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This is an excellent tune. I got a bit of an Oasis vibe on this tune. Excellent vocal and lyric. Well done...


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Originally Posted By: jannesan
I can hear a lot of Brit pop influences in your songs and that's why your songs are so easily likable - I grew up listening to Brit pop bands in the 80's.

Thanks, Janne!

It's interesting that people are hearing a "British" influence in my singing/arranging. To be honest, I'm not sure what those elements are, but since that's a good thing, I'm more than happy to hear it! laugh


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Originally Posted By: Scott C
This is an excellent tune. I got a bit of an Oasis vibe on this tune. Excellent vocal and lyric. Well done...

Thanks, Scott! smile


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David,

This is wonderful. So CATCHY!!!!!!

Very musical, man. Love the chord progression, the development, and the story arc, the musical arc, the build, and the vocals. And what an arrangement!!!

Just superb.

I don't know how I missed it the first time--I guess that was while I was on vacation.

Anyway great--and glad to hear you are not me. I was worried about that for a while.

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Anyway great--and glad to hear you are not me. I was worried about that for a while.

Yeah, I think our wives would be able to straighten us on that! wink

Thanks for the kind words, David!


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David,

This is terrific. Obvious a lot of work went into this - and yet it seems like "effortless" music - like it is "meant to be".

There seems to be a lot of beatles mentioned - but I hear more of the "cream of the crop" 60's pop thing. The Cyrkle's "Red Rubber Ball" comes to mind. Something so catchy it NEVER leaves you alone... exquisite pop writing.

LOVE your vocal on this. The processing is excellent!

Art music + Commercial appeal.

An EXCELLENT listen.

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This is terrific. Obvious a lot of work went into this - and yet it seems like "effortless" music - like it is "meant to be".

Thanks! Praise from you means a lot! laugh

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There seems to be a lot of beatles mentioned - but I hear more of the "cream of the crop" 60's pop thing. The Cyrkle's "Red Rubber Ball" comes to mind. Something so catchy it NEVER leaves you alone... exquisite pop writing.

After the "Ringo" comments, I listened to some old Ringo hits. I'm not hearing the connection there, but enjoyed listening to some nice songs.

So hearing that I fit into the "pop 60's" sound is just fine with me. wink

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LOVE your vocal on this. The processing is excellent!

I'm glad you approve. It's hard for me to be objective about my voice and processing, so feedback is helpful.

I don't think I've figured out how to make the vocal sit in the mix properly, and in the future I think I'll spend more time doing A/B comparisons with a reference track.


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David

Not sure what I can add to all the excellent comments other than endorsing them. A very engaging well written and enjoyable tune.
I liked it.

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What a super little song David, it has a clever and very beguiling melody line which resolves beautifully into the choruses. I love the timbre of your voice and the plugin enhancements you've applied sound just right to me. A very enjoyable listen, well a few actually.

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I got a Jeff Lynne/ELO kind of vision from this. I can truly hear him doing this with that huge string section he uses.

One question. Did Aberdine go to Abilene?


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I liked it.

Thanks for stopping to comment, Peter. I'm glad you liked it.


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I love the timbre of your voice and the plugin enhancements you've applied sound just right to me. A very enjoyable listen, well a few actually.

Thanks, John! smile


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I got a Jeff Lynne/ELO kind of vision from this. I can truly hear him doing this with that huge string section he uses.

I love that sound! ELO gets a fair amount of rotation on my car MP3 player.

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One question. Did Aberdine go to Abilene?

Yes, of course!

The name is actually a cascade of mis-rememberings, getting "Abilene, Texas" wrong, and then worrying that I'd accidentally pilfered a lyric from one of Ben Fold's songs (either "Emaline" or "Adelaide").

In the end, I liked the sound of "Aberdine" best for some reason - probably from it being in some much better country song I'd once heard but can't remember. smile

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hi david (it took a long time to get it done) well this a great job on everything I like your mix very clear and crisp great vocal and I here the seventies British influence. the Beatles Jeff beck Humble pie and many more came out in the sixties and seventies all good stuff thanks for sharing eric


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I really heard that Beatles vibe too. Very interesting story and unique vocal delivery. All good stuff. Lead vocal seems a bit hot. Keep em coming.

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...and I hear the seventies British influence. The Beatles, Jeff Beck, Humble Pie and many more came out in the Sixties and Seventies. All good stuff.

Hi, Eric.

I'm glad I was able to remind you of "all the good stuff"! smile

Thanks for listening and your kind words!


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Lead vocal seems a bit hot. Keep em coming.

Hi, Bob.

Yeah, my mixing skills are - like everything else - a work in progress.

Thanks for the feedback, and feel free to nitpick - it helps me get better!


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