PG Music Home Forums General Discussion Off-Topic cmon everybody ..eddie needs you ..!!

ok why don't you thank Simon COWELL (me) FOR the reviews c'mon, That I leave from certain songs ..you know who you are ,the post from hear to learn ...recently stated the obvious …why always the brilliant , amazing, you sound like the Beatles ...etc ..etc.. …!!! Nope you don't..!!

Can we not in honesty step up and be better than this and , one day tell/help folks/forumites to get/be better by god honest critiques .

This is one hell of a forum But it is not an honest forum lets all change/ by being the best by helping each other by critiquing each other by the experience/honesty/decency/down right humanity/ and stop all the crap.

Id love to hear that my friend ….!!that was a good song ... but..i heard this and that...?

Surely honesty is the best policy...more importantly you WILL GUIDE AND HELP SOMEONE WHO IS SERIOUS ABOUT THERE MUSIC AS WE ARE...Excuse the caps my friends ..well thank you

Hi Beatmaster,

This is an interesting topic. Thank you for posting it and giving me the opportunity to clarify my thinking!

Others may well disagree with me but here are my thoughts on people posting in 'User Showcase'. Since it's not mentioned, I'm anticipating that this is the forum you are meaning.


'Users Showcase' is a showcase forum and not a 'Song Critique' forum nor a 'Work in progress' forum. Some people ask for critical thoughts and some don't.

I have noticed over the years that if someone does ask for critical feedback, forum members have no hesitation in providing constructive and worthwhile thoughts. Because some people have much more experience in various musical areas than others, sometimes those thoughts are very valuable and useful. Over time, I've picked up quite a lot of useful information from reading posts.

If a poster does not ask for critical feedback, though, I believe that it is courteous not to give any and so I don't.

Most people in 'Users Showcase' post the very best work that they know how to create. Their efforts are genuine and sincere. They are proud of what they have done and they want to share what has usually taken them many hours to make. What right do I have to step on that feeling of satisfaction and that sense of accomplishment unless the user is asking for constructive input?


I see that the way in which 'User Showcase' works is about respecting peoples' efforts and appreciating each person's work as individual because each person comes from their own unique background with their own unique set of skills. Doesn't being "honest" in the context that you provide mean that you are comparing something to a concept in your mind that you see as being 'above average' or 'the best'? You know, not everything has to be comparative. It's possible to celebrate success sincerely and honestly by being non-comparative on many different levels... not everyone is a Nobel prize winner and that doesn't have to be the one-size-fits-all measuring stick.

Some people on Users Showcase write incredible songs even though they are wheel-chair bound, have very limited physical control and they are unable to talk. There are also those who write and present songs after having worked in the publishing and writing industries for decades. In addition, there are also people who have no understanding of music and who have discovered that BIAB gives them a reason to start playing around and having fun. These three examples are just a tiny smattering of who posts in 'Users Showcase'.


Anyone who posts a song and asks for critical feedback will get that. Try it and see.


It depends on what you mean by "honesty".

Are you saying that it's OK to walk up to someone on the street, whom you don't know, and say something like, "I really like that outfit you're wearing but you know you could enhance it and make it much better by [insert some suggestions here].

I believe that until anyone asks for my opinion, giving it is more akin to interfering than being helpful. I'm hardly an expert when it comes to music. Each song I write and each song I listen to teaches me something new most of the time.

One thing that some users do before posting their creation on 'Users Showcase' is to upload a song to Soundcloud (or equivalent) in private mode. They then send a link and seek feedback from those whose opinions they respect.

Also, Petimar recently started a thread in the 'Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production' forum and asked if this would be a good location to place a work on which he is seeking some critical feedback. I'd never thought about it before but that particular forum does seem to be the ideal spot for songs that are a work in progress! Maybe Petimar will start a trend

Thanks again for giving me the opportunity to consolidate my thinking. Much appreciated.

Regards,
Noel

• one of my songs: I Like Walking Beside You

I've always found the people serious about their music ask for help. I think we're better served to encourage the beginners by appreciating their efforts and letting the advanced take care of themselves. The User Showcase isn't an American Idol style contest but a place for users to share their original work for others to listen to and that's printed in bold letters. Posters are requested to list the RealTracks, styles and other software used to create their songs. There is not a single mention of giving reviews, critiques or criticisms of songs posted. The stated intent is to enjoy the songs and see what others are doing with BIAB/RB. Simon Cowell needs to find another forum thread, maybe Recording, mixing, performance and production or Off Topic where composers can specifically post with requests for reviews and critiques.

Charlie,

I really admire your post. You said exactly what I was trying to say using about 10% of the words I wrote!

Regards,
Noel

Thank you sir.

I feel that negative feedback is more DESTRUCTIVE than CONSTRUCTIVE and quickly becomes divisive.

If the commenter has credentials or experience then their advice is respected and heeded but they generally remain neutral and silent.

Musicians are a sensitive lot and easily offended. Personally, I resent unsolicited advice from anyone who is obviously less experienced than myself. That being said, I normally invite constructive criticism.

Tactful criticism requires the wisdom of Solomon and few of us qualify.

The above responders said it all and very well. I’ll throw in my two cents worth which will, admittedly, add little to what’s been said.

If one feels there is an excess of civility and decorum within the User Showcase then there are surely other board options. A lot of the more production oriented boards tend, I think, more toward the “let it all hang out” approach. Are they more honest or simply more purposefully contentious? Dunno.

I listen to every song I comment on at least 2-3 times. I read the backstory if available as well as all the production data. However, If not asked I’m not gonna inject myself into the discourse by parsing out the production for critiques. But I will always comment on what I perceive as the positive aspects of the song.

Yes, of course, I hear things I would have done differently. Does that mean I’d do it better? Or simply differently? That takes considerable thought for me. However as others have said if a poster requests specific constructive comments on a lyric or specific production values I’ll then be glad to offer an opinion assuming that it’s a topic for which I have some experience. .

But irrespective of what I write I’m not particularly enthralled with it being referred to as crap - even obliquely.

Cheers,

Bud

All absolutely excellent responses to the O/P's post.

They in fact highlight the quality that is represented time and again in these forum pages.

If a poster requests critical comment I will provide it.

If they didn't ask for appraisal and I liked the material I will often still respond with a comment to say I was impressed.

On the other hand, if they didn't ask for appraisal and I was not taken by the material, there's simply no need for me to make any comment.

As has been mentioned, they have put their best foot forward, and good on them for doing just that.

I will often ask for mix critiques on my uploads, for the simple reason that there are people on the forum that are better at mixing than I am. And, I have received great advice and learned a few things along the way.

As far as the song itself goes, whether it is "good" or not is a matter of opinion, not everyone likes the same things.

Same deal with leaving a song comment, if someone asks for that level of critique I'll give it, if not, I won't.

And it has to do with credibility also. I'm more inclined to a trust a comment from someone who's music I have heard, because I have an idea of where they are at musically. I give zero credibility to someone who has never posted a song.

This is an interesting thread and in many ways gets to the core of what the user showcase is all about.

My observation has been that there is a regular group of people on the forum who submit songs (and good luck to them on that) but it does seem to me that they get so familiar with each other and saying good things to each other, that should someone post a song that is a total load of rubbish that somehow they others in the group will still praise it.

I have head songs on the showcase where the singer is "simply roaring and bawling" comes across as they cobbled the whole song (if you could call it that together in 15 minutes)

God only knows why they submitted the song in the first place, and still song gets a lot of praise from others. And these songs aren't from newbies either but people who submit on a regular basis.

Sometimes I imagine that the others in the group who are doing the praising are simply doing it totally out of jest, like "hey this is so bad but you have giving me such a great laugh that I will encourage and inflate your ego so much that you will do it again"

And of course there are other songs on the showcase that are simply stunning and deserve all the adulation and more that they get.

The problem as I see it there is no consistency.

axeplayer,

Your reply seems to indicate that you are not all that familiar with the diversity of people who visit Users Showcase and who post songs and instrumentals.

Have you posted a song? Given your comments above, I get the impression that you might not have. I'd like to ask some questions for you to consider...


1) One of the users that I'm aware of in Users Showcase had a car accident a while back and was left badly brain damaged. This person still loves making music and wants to be part of the community. They are limited in what they can do.

What do you say to that person who is working at their very best to produce what it sounds like you'd probably call poor music?

Quite honestly, I'm in awe of what they can do and the hurdles they have overcome to be part of our forum.


2) Then there are forum members whose voices and abilities are fading with age and with sickness. We've had a number of people die from terminal illnesses while active members of the forum and they've soldiered on, putting their "best foot forward" (to quote Videotrack) for as long as they possibly can.

What do you say to them when they've given their all to create something that, while it might sound mediocre to you, is a great achievement for them?


3) There are also some who live in lonely circumstances, didn't learn music at any stage in their lives and BIAB and Users Showcase bring meaning to their present existence. Isn't what they create worth celebrating? How much does it hurt to say "you've done a great job" when, by their own musical standards, they surpassed what they did last time even though they don't sound like anywhere close the standard of professional musician?

The thing is, whenever we make a comment, chances are that we have no idea about the circumstances that surround the person who posted the music. This is something that I'm always mindful of.

In the last 12 months the forum has seen...

• a person travelling a pretty tough road from prostate cancer
• three people, that I know of, who have had a stroke
• a musician with lukemia
• a couple who have lost three children and one of whom finds peace and comfort in writing and singing songs
• another who is having a rough trot with cancer
• etc., etc., etc.

These are just some of many.

I don't want to bore you. All I'm trying to say is that before making judgement calls such as, "I have heard songs on the showcase where the singer is 'simply roaring and bawling' [and] comes across as they cobbled the whole song", isn't it worthwhile finding out a little more?

Many of the long term members of User Showcase have gained an insight into the lives of one another that people outside the forum have no idea about.

I believe that Users Showcase is one of those forums that it's necessary to be involved with for a while before it's possible to see how and why it works.

Regards,
Noel

We are humans...hopefully.

A lot (most?) of the comments in the showcase are simply "attaboys" for the poster and are not intended to be honest critiques. And as others have said far better, that is appropriate for this forum. Knowing that, I generally don't spend much time reading the comments on any song because they are not for me!

First of all, to whoever started this thing, Eddie needs nobody. And never has. Eddie states HIS opinion. Eddie will never tell you that you are wrong. Eddie will, however, go to great lengths to explain why he is right.

Despite Eddie suddenly talking about himself in the 3rd person.....

I do things how I do things. Others may find that abhorrent behavior. While I do not deny that I have a lot of Sheldon Cooper in me (those who do not watch The Big Bang Theory won't get that reference), I also believe that knowledge should be shared. If you don't know how to tie a necktie, I will show you. If you don't know how to throw a curve ball, I will show you. And if you don't know a major scale from a minor scale, I will show you.

As far as the personal preference of the forums, my original point that stirred up this tempestuous conversation was that IN MY OPINION people who make it their life's priority to make sure THEIR song stays at the top of of a relatively meaningless music forum (this isn't Billboard here) MAY-MIGHTY-MAYBE do so because they lack self confidence and need constant reassurance they they've still "got it". My perspective on that is as such. "This is my song. Listen, don't listen, comment, don't comment, I don't care. I don't write for you. I write for me. It is a cathartic activity. I tell stories of my life and it helps my emotional state to get things off my chest." That is why I write songs.

I have had a difficult life, though that has been largely self-inflicted. I have a difficult time allowing people to get close to me. I have a difficult time trusting people, because eventually they all leave my life. I have exactly 4 people I call friend. When people leave my life, I burn that bridge immediately and choose to never speak to them again. I went through a nasty one of those last year when I realized that a music acquaintance of 30 years has absolutely no respect for my musical skill set, and in fact kind of laughs at me when I am not in the room. It is important that I keep toxic people like that out of my life. Crucial, in fact, to someone affected by PTSD.

Now, I also admit that I am not a day at the beach. I have a mean streak as wide as a 4 lane highway, and it behooves people to stay on my good side. For the most part, unless it is one of those 4 friends I mentioned on the other side of the equation, I will unplug your life support machines to charge my cell phone. I do have an aspect of my personality that some perceive as arrogance. I do not agree, but remember I also think I am wonderful just the way I am. To bring that concept back to music, I view performing like this. I do not say "Well, the public likes this song so I have to play that. And then there's THAT song so I have to play that." Nope. "THIS is what I am going to play. My job is to entertain you from the stage. Your job is to adore me from the chairs. That's how this transaction works. And if you don't like what I am playing, you remember that door you came through to get in here?" I don't need your approval. I would like to have it, as that is the way I gauge my songwriting ability, but I don't need it. I will not change how I write (and in fact I CAN'T change how I write) for you. Or anybody else.

Every morning when I brush my teeth, I look in the mirror and say out loud "The only person I have to impress today is ME." And at night when I go to bed, I say, again out loud, "Would you do anything different if you had the chance to live today again?" If the answer is yes, I failed the day and have to do better tomorrow. The point of that is that it is MY decision, and the core of the "one day at a time" way of living.

To try and bring this back to your topic (And thank you for using my name in your post, by the way. How flattering. Yes, that WAS sarcasm. I don't need the acclaim, trust me.) some people post songs for your approval. I post songs for your enrichment. (Well, I DID. I don't think I am going to post anymore.) Every song of mine, literally every one, is a story of my life that I want to share with people. I write far better than I converse in person. I don't talk on the phone for a reason. I have never written a song that was "fiction". I do not and will never "compete" for views. The whole thing about the bumping was mainly an observation that there is a handful of people who selfishly try to control the top page of the songwriter forum to keep their name in everyone's eyes by bumping the post for weeks. I won't ever do that. So again I say, I will never tell you that you are wrong. I will, however, tell you why I am right.

Good day, from your little ray of sunshine.

+1 Noel

My friends know that I have suffered a severe stroke which has left me both mute and paralyzed. Even writing this comment is a mammoth undertaking.

I don't approach the User Showcase as an audition for AGT or a record label but rather as an opportunity to participate in this wonderful PG Family.

My submissions are admittedly naked, raw, and unpolished but I have learned that I will never be flamed or have my ego crushed by anyone on these PG Forums.

I strive to be helpful and encouraging to everyone with my comments. I feel that I have experience to share or I don't chime in.

Immediately after my stroke, I went into a deep prolonged depression. Dr. Peter Gannon's wonderful software gave me a new lease on life and I want to share my joy with my PG Family.

Dr. Gannon has permitted me to work silently backstage so as to give meaning and purpose to my life. Few even realize what I am doing backstage. (Thank you, Peter)

I don't get the opportunity to get on the User Showcase as much as I would like, life keeps getting in the way of my music. I post songs because this old fart still likes to play and I know that I am not as good as some here and that I will never be a star. I don't care.

I listen to others' songs and comment on them, usually good comments, but if someone want some constructive comments I will give them if necessary.

If anyone wants honest critiques then they should join a profession pay site where pros will give them honest opinions. Most all here should have very thick skin if they do that. YMMV

WELL thank you all for putting me clearly in the picture I feel as though I am way out of order with my posting yea and sorry.

I guess Noel you are right, and the other posters, I just got a lovely insight into the forum and some of the members, who face trials and tribulations in their life's.

No I did not know any of the facts about members that was brought up in this posting.


Eddie I do not know where you get the notion that it was you being named ..cmon everybody who sings this song yep that eddie.

That's briefly how I see it.
The Showcase is an encouragement forum for all that submit their efforts, regardless of any outwardly perceived lyrical writing or musicianship skills, and to emphasize the stunning abilities of BIAB itself.

I listen to a lot of the Showcase submissions but very rarely comment.
Why?....because my comment in most cases would not at all reflect the consensus of other comments within the thread and someone would think I'm just being unnecessarily snarky and I would never want to be mistakenly perceived as such.
Why would I take that risk on an open forum.

In this context of personal creativity, subjective as it is, I'm just not the personality type to just hand out the (previously stated) "attaboys" and "this is your best yet" comments by default when I might actually think much improvement is in order especially if the writer wants to truly improve.

But...who am I.....someone may read one of my honest (solicited) assessments, listen to one of my song writing efforts and think:
"your songs suck, your mix sucks, you can't sing so what do you know and stop injecting yourself into my creative 'safe space'".

As adults....if anyone posts a song on a public forum I recommend one have the skin of a snow tire and accept or ignore any/all comments.
We're all adults here and if one gets offended easily that's an internal problem that reflects a lack of confidence with their on going efforts and the inability to take criticism.

I had an experience from a contributor here via email (many months ago) where I was asked my opinion on one of his songs.
I thought...ok....it's off the forum, sounds sincere, I'll listen several times and provide a well thought out commentary.
It was not received very well and I perceived his subsequent songs reflected the same issues that I tried to help him improve upon.
No matter....I tried to help and was glad to try and do so.

I still like to write/record because I have been doing it a long time and it's kind of like creative therapy....I don't do it with the goal of perpetually promoting myself and hoping for constant praise of favorable/patronizing opinions.
Should anyone comment on my material I'm genuinely appreciative and will thank them for taking the time to listen whether the comment is favorable or not.
If I can keep any distance from the 'you totally suck meter'....that works for me.

If you're truly passionate about your song writing efforts and improving upon it no comment should discourage you from continuing on.

I'll stop prattling on....my candor here may even offend someone.

Back to it.....(respectfully submitted, of course)

Beatmaster,

At the risk of sounding boastful, my "crap" has recently been chosen as the intro and theme by Classic Country DJs in New Zealand and London, UK. I also am very humbled and proud to be streaming in Scotland Hospital Radio; VA Hospital in Tulsa; several streaming stations in Canada's Maritime Provinces; and many that I've forgotten.

In fact, two of my BIAB tunes were featured yesterday from NZ.

I have had the honor and privilege of writing for three well-known recording artists, two in Country and one in Folk genres.
One of the Country artists has 11 gold and three platinum albums. Apparently, they don't think my stuff is "crap".

Meanwhile, I have been instrumental in getting airplay for several other forumites.

Good for you Don what station in London..? and also Scotland Hospital Radio ?.

As I live here in the uk and I have been in a good few hospitals in Scotland, so I can tune in and have a good listen to your crap..!!.


Apparently, they don't think my stuff is "crap".

Excellent who are they ?.


And I never said any ones music was crap I meant the comments...at the time I posted .


I will listen out for you as I am in the medical profession.

Thank You

Collie is this you???

Back from the grave???

People, these type of posts should invoke a laugh, not serious commentary.

Beatmaster, or whatever your real name is (and I am thinking you are Colly/Collie or whatever his name was) come back to haunt us. I think there are some brilliant musicians on this forum who post great stuff, and other brilliant musicians say nice things about them.

Since you are under camouflage you can say whatever you want but I am man enough to give you my opinion in the broad light of day. However, there is a strong likelihood you are just having fun pretending to be an idiot. That is the problem with forums. You never know. You might be having the time of your life. But whether you are pretending for fun or not you sound like a drunken fool.

You sound really intoxicated.

Your comments are idiotic. (Whether you are just playing with us or this is the real you.)

I have been to your channel and listened to your two songs. Wow. That's all I can say.

You really should sober up before you make any more comments.

You sound like a very foolish person.

Dry out man. And try investing in a dictionary.

Sorry people, but this crap with these idiots, pranksters, morons, trolls, whatever you want to call them just has to stop.

We don't have to sit here and listen or reply to drunkards and morons.

Well, I guess I just did.

But it is the last time.

Do not bother sending me a PM either or responding. I will not reply.

There will be less trolls on this forum if people just stop commenting.

Yes, dead giveway, Colly was from Scotland, if that was his name. A drunken giveaway.



Hey man,

Here's the last song I wrote for you when you were living under another assumed name, if you are who I think you are.

Play it loud, dude.


https://soundcloud.com/tater-totts-radio/the-ballad-of-country-joe

The Ballad of Country Joe
By Tater Nashville Totts

Hello, this is Tater Totts
and there is nothing I hate worse
than a big fat ugly Internet Troll
weighing about 600 pounds sitting behind their
computer in the dark watching porno and
afraid to come out in the light like a real man
cause he knows I will kick his [*****]
and what’s why I wrote this here song called
The Ballad of Country Joe, yes I did

V1

Country Joe you're not a man
And you know you’ll never be
Your mama still has to hold your hand
When you go to pee
You posted a picture of yourself in cowboy hat
From 1963
Now you weigh 800 pounds
You’re a disgusting sight to see

CH:

It’s the Ballad
The Ballad of Country Joe
And President Donald says you got to go
You big fat Internet Troll
We’re trying to make American Great Again
And you’re the world’s most pathetic excuse for a man
You're just a Big Fat Internet Troll
Thought I’d let you know
Country Joe

V2

You know
I met with President Trump yesterday
And I said DJ, you got to relax son
There’s a lot of people need to come
Into this country and I’m going to have to ask you to turn it down some
All except for one person DJ
And that’s Country Joe
I want you to pass an executive order against
All big fat ugly Internet Trolls
Hiding behind their computers like a bunch of
Russian hackin’ sissies who don’t even have the guts to show their face
I think you need to stop wasting your money picking on Mexico
Cause they sure as hell can make some music down there
No Mr. President
I think you need to make an Internet Border
Against Country Joe
The Internet Troll

CH:

Cause it’s the Ballad, the Ballad
The Ballad of Country Joe
And President Donald says you got to go
You big fat Internet Troll
We’re trying to make American Great Again
And you’re the world’s most pathetic excuse for a man
You're a Big Fat Internet Troll
and you're ugly too
Country Joe ( x 2)

Cause you’re a stinkin’, sissie,
pathetic, stupid
Useless,
Internet Troll
That's who you are
that's exactly what you are
Country Joe

Words and Music copyright 2017 by David Snyder

(David Snyder is not responsible for the artistic style of Tater Totts)

Callie who is callie .

What are you on about , you are the one with the problem, have you ever really listened to your self.

Axeplayer I have head songs on the showcase where the singer is "simply roaring and bawling" comes across as they cobbled the whole song (if you could call it that together in 15 minutes)

God only knows why they submitted the song in the first place, and still song gets a lot of praise from others. And these songs aren't from newbies either but people who submit on a regular basis.


Now who is that he is talking about, you talk about intoxication REALLY, SERIOUSLY, What you on son ?.

You are.

Or it's your twin.

In case you missed it, this one's for you dude. See if you can follow the changes.

Play it loud.


https://soundcloud.com/tater-totts-radio/the-ballad-of-country-joe


Sober up man.

Have a nice life.

Bye.

So I take it someone else has dared to go against the grain , bet that's happened a lot here then the village idiot appears,

As for being someone else or pretending, look at the stuff you claim to be ASCAP, NSAI WHAT IS THIS EXACTLY.

I hesitate to dignify this thread with a reply but I feel that you are putting my integrity in question.

I don't know the FM station but the DJ's name is Sid Randell and he hosts a Classic Country broadcast late evenings, London time. My many Brit friends have tuned in to listen.

The NZ DJ is Noel Parry broadcasting from Invercargill, NZ. If you will tune in, you can still replay yesterday's show and hear two of my tunes.

Scotland Hospital Radio often plays my cover of Ray Price' (Ray was a Scottish-Cherokee Indian from Oklahoma) "Crazy Arms" but I never know when it will be played.

Goodbye.
Where can we tune into your music?

Good

No I was not being funny, curious and yes I wanted to listen why the attitude ?.

Well I hope I'm not stepping in the middle of mud fight here but I wanted to say that I had no idea so many people were in such bad shape. I've had my own issues so I've been out of the loop. My prayers are with you all. And Noel what a sensational moving post.

What I'd hate to see get lost here is what I also think is a super idea.

I really would like to see songs that are unfinished posted in the mixing/production forum then the finished version posted in the showcase.

I've always thought of the showcase as a place for finished songs as well. But I doubt anyone sees this with the mud flying. Oh well.

Josie

Well this gets even better village idiot is the one who appears to be the someone else.



David Snyder is an award-winning songwriter and North Carolina-based Independent Artist. He is a consistent yearly winner in the PG Music International Showcase Awards for Excellence in Composition, Production and Arrangement. David is also a testimonial spokesperson for PG Music’s composing software, along with other notable musicians, such as John Mayer’s guitarist, Zane Carney. Writing and scoring all of his own arrangements using an arsenal of software and live instruments, David plays classical guitar, acoustic and electric guitar, violin, bass, keyboards, mandolin, percussion and the radio. He is also a Regional Coordinator for the prestigious industry group Nashville Songwriters Association International (NSAI) where he has been named on the list of “Ones to Watch” for songwriting artists. David also has numerous writing credits with a wide variety of other recorded artists. Using his own studio, David writes and records with many artists nationwide in almost all genres, including Latin Jazz, Alternative, Metal, Jazz, "New Country," Bluegrass, Americana, Rock, Psychedelic, Soul, Gospel, Funk, Fusion, Classical and Electronica. That is why his catalog contains a rich cross-section of musical styles. He has been playing the guitar since the age of 12 and playing professionally since the age of 15.


CMON L.O.L. VERY PRO SOUNDING ARTIST HE HE !!

Please don't ask us to critique your use of the English language. It's painful to read. Missing or improper punctuation, syntax, diction, sentence structure, etc. You are driving my spellchecker up the proverbial wall yet the folks you're criticizing are too mature to retaliate.

Ha Ha well if that's your best Don Boy , HOW LOW CAN YOU GO !.

Oh by the way love your music, lyrically beautiful and inspiring.

Nice day to you too sir.

Please apply a liberal smattering of third-grade punctuation so we Colonists might better understand your insults.

Maybe you should write a book , with a hook.
"Whit's fur ye'll no go past ye."


"Awa' an bile yer heid"

Yeps!

Whit’s fur ye’ll no go past ye - Translation: Whatever is meant to happen to you, will happen to you. What ever will be, will be.


Awa' an bile yer heid - Translation: In English is "Away and boil your head". Means Get lost.

Just to make sure Don that you understand what am saying.

johnjohnjohn I knew it !!.

Unbelievable .

can't tell if your "wow" is complimentary or sarcastic but I too went and listened to his two songs and they sounded pretty good to me...as good as anything I've heard here in the showcase.

maybe this is why there is no criticism in the showcase?

Exactly

Its more like a cult forum of some sorts, stuck in the past.

What is the point of it all if you don't/cannot have a variation of views.

Definition of forum in English:

1 meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

A website or web page where users can post comments about a particular issue or topic and reply to other users' postings.


Sooo its not a forum.

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages.[1] They differ from chat rooms in that messages are often longer than one line of text, and are at least temporarily archived. Also, depending on the access level of a user or the forum set-up, a posted message might need to be approved by a moderator before it becomes visible.




Definitely not a forum .

Well, to be fair, a forum can legitimately be for sharing and supporting one another. And apparently that is what the showcase is for. Not for critiquing.

And Noel gave you a very reasonable and thoughtful response to your initial post.

What is annoying is when people think they have to attack you for your post, call you names, threaten you, etc. Those are the ones who make the forum far less civil and more cultish IMHO.

yes thanks johnjohnjohn I had no gripe with Noel as you have noticed.


I was not standing back and being called all sorts.

No way.

but that's because I took another avenue to speak my opinion.

That's not right is it.

If the showcase is not for critiquing then why is everyone doing it good stuff sounds like the beatles , heard the stones in that is that not critiquing '

Although critique is commonly understood as fault finding and negative judgment,[1] it can also involve merit recognition,

Well, I only know what I read here as I have not posted anything to the showcase. But is seems to be that of a supportive community where people are looking for the good in what is posted there. And that is perfectly legit if that is what the community wants.

With that said, I def feel ya when it comes to hearing the "wow, you are better than anything in the Billboard Top 10" type of comments. They are pure hyperbole and personally I would not want those type of comments on my work. But maybe those posting such comments honestly believe them? Not my place to judge. My personal opinion is I have yet to hear anything on the showcase that rivals any hit songs so I would never give such a comment.

I'd guess for the most part no one here, including yours truly, is writing hit music nor are they likely to any time soon. The industry is already way too crowded with much better talent. And even though we often like to pretend we are as good as "any of that modern crap they call music", it mostly just ain't true! And, I would dare to guess that top talent with a shot at the "big time" prolly aren't spending any time on internet forums arguing about how good their music is!

Noted john you will be getting your arse slapped shortly from Don for some of that there grammer my boy...!!

Yeah, no doubt! But maybe I can give you a bit of respite.

COOL

I find the comments in the user Showcase to be honest and genuine.

I consider people who are able to compose a song, and then perform, arrange, collaborate, produce and publish it to be extremely talented.

For those so eager to offer and encourage criticism, I suggest instead that you post your own compositions, so that we can all learn from them. That is the best form of constructive criticism - to teach by example.

I have done this Peter.



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I was only saying the forum should open up a bit, then others would be more apt to join in instead of reading the forum , then not joining in as I nearly done.

HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH DR. GANNON!!!!!


HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH DR. GANNON!!!!!

AND THANK YOU! AND THANK YOU! AND THANK YOU DR. GANNON!

P.S. You may want to have your guys run an IP address check on some recent identities.

Oh, never mind. I am sure you already know.

Anyway...


HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH DR. GANNON!!!!!


I am going back to the forum showcase and staying there. This stuff is crazy.

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HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH DR. GANNON!!!!!


HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH DR. GANNON!!!!!

AND THANK YOU! AND THANK YOU! AND THANK YOU DR. GANNON!

P.S. You may want to have your guys run an IP address check on some recent identities.

Oh, never mind. I am sure you already know.

Anyway...


HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH DR. GANNON!!!!!


I am going back to the forum showcase and staying there. This stuff is crazy.

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Hi Beatmaster,

Thank you for your generosity of spirit. I sincerely appreciate your words. I've just awoken. Last night I went to sleep worrying about the fact that I might have said too much or have come across in some negative or angry way that I tried so hard to avoid.

I've discovered that internet forums are one of the most dangerous places on earth when it comes to interpreting what's written. Because one cannot hear and see the author of the text, the nuances of tone and body language are lost and thus valuable aspects of language interpretation leave the building. Once that's done, it's so easy to read nuances into words that were never there when they were typed. I've done it myself and have been offended by something that I later discovered was written without any measure of malice or intentional hurt.

I think JohnJohnJohn's comment about the forum being an "Attaboy" place is insightful and very accurate. For the most part, Users Showcase celebrates the 'doing' without comparing it.

Thanks for taking time to consider things and for being open-minded about re-assessing your views.

Sincerely,
Noel

well thanks Noel

Yeah, no doubt! But maybe I can give you a bit of respite when john

Hi Beatmaster,

Thank you for your generosity of spirit. I sincerely appreciate your words. I've just awoken. Last night I went to sleep worrying about the fact that I might have said too much or have come across in some negative or angry way that I tried so hard to avoid.

I've discovered that internet forums are one of the most dangerous places on earth when it comes to interpreting what's written. Because one cannot hear and see the author of the text, the nuances of tone and body language are lost and thus valuable aspects of language interpretation leave the building. Once that's done, it's so easy to read nuances into words that were never there when they were typed. I've done it myself and have been offended by something that I later discovered was written without any measure of malice or intentional hurt.

I think JohnJohnJohn's comment about the forum being an "Attaboy" place is insightful and very accurate. For the most part, Users Showcase celebrates the 'doing' without comparing it.

Thanks for taking time to consider things and for being open-minded about re-assessing your views.

Sincerely,
Noel
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JohnJohnJohn: "can't tell if your "wow" is complimentary or sarcastic but I too went and listened to his two songs and they sounded pretty good to me...as good as anything I've heard here in the showcase."

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That's funny I don't care where you're from. John's remarks sound exactly like his comment would be if BeatMaster's song were posted in the User Forum.......

What do you mean Charlie just causing more problems

No problem here. You were likely too busy juicing Don to notice JohnJohnJohn's comment "maybe this is why there is no criticism in the showcase?" before making a pretty standard User Showcase complementary post about your song.

I chose to see the humor in his remark rather than hypocrisy. How about you? Why would you take a complementary remark made by John about your music posted on another site that is so similar to the type of comments that both of you are busy criticising in this thread as some type of problem?

Criticism is often unwelcome and not dealt with very graciously. I refer you to this very thread as exhibit A! So, not having it in the showcase probably avoids many more of this type of s$#tstorm!

Also, my "complementary remark" was intended more as a reaction to David Snyder's post where he accused the OP of being an imposter, intoxicated, idiotic, very foolish person, illiterate, prankster, moron, drunkard, big fat ugly Internet Troll weighing about 600 pounds, p0rn watcher, coward, stinkin’ sissie,
pathetic, stupid and useless. So I just assumed David meant something negative when he said "Wow" about beatmaster's songs. And I went and listened to both and concluded they were at least as good as anything I've heard here. And I shared that opinion!

BeatMaster actually has two postings in the User Showcase and I've listened to them and posted on one. His submissions are excellent.

Criticism to song postings in the User Showcase is a non issue. The songs are always the first post in the thread. No matter if there has been one reply or a hundred, simply open the first post, listen to the song and move on to the next if you aren't concerned with the replies. Simple as that.

I understood your "complementary remark" intention and assumption and once you listened to both of BeatMaster's songs and found they were as good as any song posted on the User Forum, David's 'Wow' reaction was even more cryptic in intent. At this point, only David knows.



And at the end of the day, your song critique as it pertains to this thread, is still funny no matter where you're from. Everyone should have a good laugh and move on.

I'm not trying to be noble. And I have no knowledge of anyone's situation nor any responsibility to inform others. I only comment based on behavior I see here.

I agree and reading back over my comment found I was saying more than necessary and it was irrelevant to the conversation and I was editing out those remarks as you were posting your response.

Junior Samples proved to be the master of diplomacy when he said to Lulu Roman: "For a fat lady you don't smell so bad!"

God, I miss your old joke thread.



Regards,


Bob