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"Creedence Clearwater Revival " never had a number one hit in this country. But I recall hearing as many as five Creedence songs in the top forty at one time some times more.
Recently I listened to the present number one tune of the Billboard top 100 and I realized as song writers many of us are lacking an element in our tunes. We have no cuss words. The present number one song has the word Mother.....- in it four times...The number one song has the word ni... in it four times. It has the word sh.. in it one time..
Yet the song has been holding the number one spot for awhile.
Is this necessary for making a hit these days and is it desirable ? And is it possible some day we may be able to purchase real tracks with these hit making words already in them?
(On the lighter side)
Others who never made it to number one in this country are: "Led Zeppelin", Bob Dylan, The Who, Jimi Hendrix.... Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young...James Brown, and the Who. Any thoughts on the elements of hits these days?
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I don't think that it's required at all. I think it has just become more acceptable be swearing in main-stream music now adays. These CDs if people still bought them as frequently would have explicit labels on them, I'm sure.
But teenagers do lead and drive what is made in to the number one hit. In truth, I don't think being the number one hit on the list is all that important. It's usually temporary, and a lot of the recent songs that make it to the top spot are very forgettable, while the songs way at the bottom of the top 100 list tend to have more flavour and character. But that's just my opinion and views. I may be slightly biased because I'm not a big fan of R&B, Hip Hop, Rap, etc. I can appreciate them for what they are, but I do not actively listen to them.
I can't be the only one of my generation who tends to not like the top 40s though. In fact, most of the people I know my age complain about them, so I can't really tell you why and how those songs get there, or what is unique about the writing in regards to song writing.
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No billboard number ones for them...yes. But most if not all of them had multiple number one albums. I was around then actively buying music but never singles. The marketing for most of them was focused on album sales.
Ember nailed it regarding how youth drives the market or at least the number one Billboard market.
I think the number ones, by whatever the current metric is, like always tend to reflect the culture. Or at least that portion of it that buys pop music.
The Americana market is big and getting bigger. It’s what we’ve listened to for the last 25 years. There you can lose yourself in blues, alt country, folk, rootsy rock, bluegrass and more. Award shows and charts have joined the party. And BiaB has begun to release Americana styles and tracks. It’s our music world and a fun and enriching one at that.
FWIW and I mean no disrespect to anybody who listens to the music of their choice.
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I would say swearing definitely isn't necessary for a number 1 hit. There are tons of hit songs these days without any swearing. As someone who personally listens to music with swearing in it, I think it's just become a lot more casual in modern music. It isn't taboo like it used to be. I'll find I can listen to a song where they say the 'F' word 10 times and I won't bat an eyelash since I'm so used to it and desensitized to it. I don't consider it a bad trait and honestly pay no mind to it.
I also agree with what Ember said in regards to modern music being almost a fad. Number 1 hit songs come and go so quickly these days. Me and Ember are the same age as well, and she's telling the truth when she says most people in our generation don't care for top 40 stuff. I've always wondered who exactly all this washed down top 40 music is appealing to, as I've actually never met someone my own age who is a fan of it.
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Times are changing and we are becoming desensitized to a lot of things. I am old enough to remember students coming to school with guns in the gun racks of their vehicles. It is unthinkable now to see a student bring a gun to school. There is more blood and violence now than then in movies and music. Not much left to the imagination these days. Even with the freedom to use choice words some of us aren't a liberty to use all of the words. Like the "N" word.
In 2014 a song made it to position "19" on the billboard 100.
It had the "N" word in it 128 times and the "F" bomb in it around 12 times. With certain genres and artist it is accepted but with others it could start a political fire storm.
George Strait never used the word in any of his songs. He has had 61 number ones on the country charts and 86 songs in the billboard charts. The cool thing about George is..most of those songs were written by people like us....songwriters...
I am worried that technology and changing times will make it harder and harder for songwriters who write for other people and make a living at it.
It seems that changes must be made to keep up and actually profit from composing and writing and making a living at it. But Thanks to artist like George Strait, many writers have made a living at it.
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I also agree with what Ember said in regards to modern music being almost a fad. Number 1 hit songs come and go so quickly these days. Me and Ember are the same age as well, and she's telling the truth when she says most people in our generation don't care for top 40 stuff. I've always wondered who exactly all this washed down top 40 music is appealing to, as I've actually never met someone my own age who is a fan of it.
The only person I have ever known to enjoy most of the top 40 pop music is my mom, and she has nearly 25 years on me. But it's also the only music that she's exposed to; what's on the radio. Makes me wonder if it has less to do with the songwriting and more to do with accessibility to music. But then again, I still don't understand what gets those particular artists there in the first place.
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It's probably because I'm getting older, but I'm of the opinion that if all you do is drop the F bomb repeatedly, then you really don't have much at all to say. Musically or otherwise.
And then when it might actually be appropriate (seldom), it won't have its intended effect.
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Even was I was 16 I was under the impression that if you have to use vulgarity to create a sense of shock, surprise or emotion you simply can't write.
Of course plenty of famous playwrights and scriptwriters use the f-bomb every other word, but I am most impressed by people who can scare the living infernal hades out of you without ever using one vulgar word.
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Even was I was 16 I was under the impression that if you have to use vulgarity to create a sense of shock, surprise or emotion you simply can't write.
Of course plenty of famous playwrights and scriptwriters use the f-bomb every other word, but I am most impressed by people who can scare the living infernal hades out of you without ever using one vulgar word. I'm not sure how I feel about that one, personally. Shakespeare used some pretty colourful language from his day and age and he was incredibly popular. He was saying the then equivalent of the "F"-bomb. Admittedly, that terms today just sound downright silly. And to his credit, Shakespeare was writing a lot of his plays for the average citizen (usually the poor and hungry). So take from that what you will!  But it appears that colourful language has been around and popular in "main-stream media" for quite some time. I don't personally agree with its presence, but the occasional F-bomb doesn't bug me much in song writing.
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I've heard plenty of songs that used no vulgarity and still had nothing to say. Likewise I've heard songs that used vulgarity quite effectively. Great example is Pink's Perfect! Extremely powerful use of the F word (but she also has a radio version for those with weak hearts!) Bottom line is write what you want to write and ignore those who are offended; you probably aren't writing for them anyway! 
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I've heard plenty of songs that used no vulgarity and still had nothing to say. Likewise I've heard songs that used vulgarity quite effectively. Great example is Pink's Perfect! Extremely powerful use of the F word (but she also has a radio version for those with weak hearts!) Bottom line is write what you want to write and ignore those who are offended; you probably aren't writing for them anyway! Bingo! This basically hits the nail on the head in terms of how I think about it. There's plenty of dumbed down songs with not a single curse word, and then the polar opposite. I personally don't think lyrics necessary NEED to play a major roll in the music either, but that's a discussion for another thread.
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I truly believe in the freedom of expression. A person should be able to write what they feel or want. And indeed in this country we have this right. But lately the tide is moving towards changes. One group of people can freely use some words and everyone thinks its cool and therefore those writers and artist become filthy rich.
How ever when other groups use the same word...politics kick in and then that writer becomes a racist. And the word hate crime has started to bob up and down in the sea of turmoil that is rising.
The "F bomb" is doesn't bother me that much unless you put my mother in front of it.
It is the "N" word that I find confusing. Some artist throw it around and use it like trash. And they make a lot of money by doing so. But then when other people use it like trash, then the sh.. hits the fan.
But of course with today's thinking it just makes for more publicity.
And this causes me to feel a bit sad that the art of songwriting is becoming so low and it has become dependent on gimmicks and tricks to make money at it.
I see a future without song writers who write about real life and real experiences. A future without gender. A future without feelings, where songs will just be produced by machines. A future where music will just be generic.
Birds create music and they sing like they mean it. They have a purpose to making music that doesn't include the need for money.
Crickets jam all night long and they don't get paid a dime. They always put their best foot forward in the music they make.
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It is the "N" word that I find confusing. Some artist throw it around and use it like trash. And they make a lot of money by doing so. But then when other people use it like trash, then the sh.. hits the fan. First, those making money are not making money because of a word; it is a whole lot bigger than that. Second, unless you are black you don't get to use that word. Period. Full stop! And if you are white why would you even want to? I see a future without song writers who write about real life and real experiences. A future without gender. A future without feelings, where songs will just be produced by machines. I find your last sentence quite amusing since here we are, conversing about software that runs on a machine and produces music for us!  Or are you advocating that we abandon BIAB?
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Hey Ember, I said in my post that I know a lot of famous and successful people do it, I am just saying that I personally am most impressed when people can evoke terrifying or profound emotions without ever using a vulgar word in music, film, literature, whatever. Not saying what should be done or listened to or watched by others, just saying what impresses me. I know what impresses me is of small consequence in this galaxy, but in the small time I have on this planet I tenderly treasure my privilege to be impressed by the things that truly impress me. It is all I have.
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You stated that people are making money because of the "N" word.
The chap who used it 128 times in his song made it to number 19 on the billboard charts. I am saying that a lot of music today relies on gimmicks and machines. The vocals many times are doctored to the max. Most songs have a hook. And with a lot of today's music the hook is the profanity. The hook and the current popularity of a particular style of music brings in the money. I am not advocating any thing for anyone here. I am just discussing songwriting. I dig for bits of knowledge. I am already a songwriter. I am looking to write a hit.
And It seems that writing a hit theses days relies on using a lot of profanity from time to time. And I find the "N" word extremely offensive. And using motherf'n in front of it really offensive.
And using those words for the hook in a song as a song writer seems to me a type of desperation. You say that the "N" word is never to be used by white people but it is white kids who are listening to the word and it is white kids buying the songs. If you don't want a particular race using it then don't sell it to them. Kids learn from adults. I believe myself that no one should use the word. But In this country we are free to sing whatever we want.
As far as Biab being a machine yes it is but so far it has been using real humans behind the music in its real tracks. We use those real tracks much like an artist uses session musicians to play behind their song.
When a time comes and Band in the Box does it all, it would be different. PG Music gives many people the session musicians they would normally not be able to afford and also supplies tools for those who can afford session musicians.
Video came along and changed music forever. Music used to be made to be heard. But now music is moving more to be seen. Instead of being something a bunch of hillbillies are making in some Ozark mountain pass, it is now being made on computers.
Some people write songs for fun. Some people write songs for other people to have fun. Many people write songs to make money.
The key is to be able to have fun and make money at the same time.
Although all of us in these forums are song writers and we are here to help other song writers, we are also in a way in a competition. That is to see who can create the best song ever and who can make the most money. BiaB brought us together.
We are like a family. A family of songwriters who use band in the box. I wonder if there is a BiaB festival where BiaB users gather and like jam all day long.
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C.Dan, I have been following much of what you have been saying in various threads. I've been knocked pretty hard on this forum for giving advice where it's not asked for; so I will refrain from that. The two things I will comment on though are : But now music is moving more to be seen. In the 80's with the advent of MTV, that was by far, more the case than today. Don't get me wrong, video is still a big vehicle for music consumption. However, there is A LOT of music being consumed without video at all. A LOT. Some people write songs for other people to have fun. Many people write songs to make money.
The key is to be able to have fun and make money at the same time.
That is to see who can create the best song ever and who can make the most money. This is a very narrow view of why people write. There are a good number of people that don't write music for either of the reasons you cited. Some couldn't care less if they ever made a penny from there music. Also, some couldn't care less if anyone else ever liked their music. They write their music to express themselves; regardless of outside approval. As far as profanity in music; there are way more songs that chart every year that don't use a single word of profanity. If you feel you need it, go for it. If not, don't. It's that simple. Some people are given a "pass" for certain things like that; other's are not. That's life. It's not just in music. There is SO much more to be concerned with in writing a hit song than if it has profanity or not UNLESS you are writing in genres that don't really allow that yet. You really won't find any F-Bombs in any radio country as of yet. The record companies simply don't allow it. Just a few things to consider as you move forward on your journey. And to be clear, go for it! I'm not in any way suggesting not to write the best song ever; or to make money at it.
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You have to remember "Hear to learn" This is a thread about making a number one hit today. This thread really isn't about what it takes to be a song writer or what people like to write.
It is a discussion about creating a number one hit. I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers. I was discussing whether or not using the "N" word and the f-Bomb are important to getting to the top of the billboard charts. A hit song used to be counted by the plays on juke boxes and radio. Now days I believe hit songs are counted by the hits they get and sales (I guess) I am here to learn.
So radio play may count also. But there are some number one hits out there that nobody ever gets to hear. Myself I would like to make money writing songs, but that's not my first reason for writing. Actually I don't really write at first. I either have lived it, know someone who lived it, know someone who told me about someone who live it, or I make it up from my imagination. First I think it, then I write it down...I prefer to scratch it out on a piece of paper before
I ever put it in a computer or type writer. I have never started or written an entire song from scratch on a computer..they are all scratched put on some piece of paper some where. And I have a few songs that I haven't finished that I have lost.
Making songs is like having a hangover with me...I get to feeling a lot better when it all finally comes out.
But I love it, C.Dan
And I love criticism...so don't worry about pourin' it on me.
But I do stick up for what I believe..
Remember the lyrics from the Jakyl song: "Push Comes to Shove"
"Your political correct world, isn't correct I've found"
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The Hot 100 (the Top 100 is long gone) is in effect a compilation chart being fed by multiple genres and even it is about to change yet again as evidenced by this link: Upcoming Changes to Hot 100 The algorithms for chart placement have changed so frequently that IMO it’s hard to determine what the “top” songs are. If I was musing over how to write a number one song - hahahaha - I’d be focused on the metrics for my particular genre. And there are plenty available, e.g, Americana, multiple rock sub genres, and many more. Get lost in the one you’re most comfortable with and listen, play, write, produce, track the song positions - all is good.
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Cussing has always been considered being cool to young people remember the Red Fox tapes, all cussing, you have to get over the young people fad to grow enough to understand art. Simple as that usually.
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C. Dan,
I think this particular thread has finally pushed me over the great divide (not your fault) but it feels good and I feel a whole lot lighter.
In short, I have become so obsessed with the sound my guitar makes plugged into a twin reverb, or my old acoustic with a Dean Markley pickup on it, and my piano, that I can't pull my head out of the mixing board anymore.
Realizing it takes 2 hours a day to stay good on the guitar, 3 hours a day to stay good with songwriting and 3 hours a day to keep up with mixing, I am now wondering what in the hell I was doing spending so much time conversing about hit songs and a whole lot of other stuff when it no longer makes any sense to me to do anything but play.
So, I think I am going to stick to the song posting boards, and stay focused on writing the best songs I can that please me, because come to think of it, I really don't care that much what anything else thinks about anything anyway.
Here it is: the world is totally nuts and it will never change.
But, thanks for setting me free, Dan. C.
Hallelujah I have seen the light.
No more chat boards.
Only fretboards.
Come on Jesus, let's do this thing.
Y'all have a good time on here. I got some picking and prayin' to do.
I will be prayin' that everybody writes the songs they want to write and forgets the rest of the nonsense, realizing, as Saint Paul did, that I have been the worst offender.
Bless me Lord for I have sinned, but I shall sin no more.
Well, not as much as I used to.
Maybe some, but not that much.
I think y'all know what I mean.
Maybe.
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Indeed David. I feel like a goat in a bunch of sheep. I purchased BIAB 2018 and ended up here. Never meaning to ruffle any feathers.
The Top 100 challenge led me to looking into the billboard charts.(Which I never concerned myself with before) The word challenge woke me up. And here I am. I wasn't inspired by the songs themselves only the challenge. I did manage to write five tunes from all of this...six if you count the cloak I did of the number one song. Forums seem like rivers...you throw your stuff out there and it bobs for a little while and floats away.
I myself soon will retire back to my place. I have learned in a short time that because I am white I am a racist. And I have learned that black people can use the "N" word and sell it to my white children and my white grand children..but they and I may not use the word. I do seek to create a hit but then what is a hit? One man's hit is another man's Sh.. I do need some advice. How does one get the song name on a post to connect to the song page?
Write on my friend...As Ozzy sang "See you on the other side"
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I have learned in a short time that because I am white I am a racist. I don't see where anyone called you a racist. And I have learned that black people can use the "N" word and sell it to my white children and my white grand children..but they and I may not use the word. And, again, why in the world would you even want to? I hope you do write a hit! But being resentful about some artists being able to use a hate-filled word prolly ain't your ticket. But who knows? It is a free country so give it a try!
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The thing is I don't want to use the "N" word and the thing is I don't like the word being sold and used by anyone...I hate that word.
But It seems that the word is becoming cool in my grand children's vocabulary because they hear it in popular songs these days, but you say they are not allowed to use it. It is weak minds that gather gain from trash. It is hypocritical to throw the word at people and say "You can hear but you can't say it." One song says the word 128 times. I didn't create the word and I don't and will not use it, not because you tell me I can't but because I hate the word. I see a lot of division in society today and I think there are some good lyrics inside all of this....that notion may even give birth to a hit.
This is a Biab forum and this is the last I will discuss this.
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Guys, I think most of us on this forum are adults, that is the problem with hit songs, we like true music. I think that if Spotify, Amazon, itunes would focus some on the adult generation, they could still sale music to us. I would buy songs that are like the forum here puts out and many of my Soundcloud friends write. The market is still here, just not being used. I dont need to buy a song from the 70's that I already have, they only want to sell us old songs, we can write and record new songs that are just as good or better than what we grew up with. A hell of a lot better than the crap that is being sold for hits now. Cliff
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Guys, I think most of us on this forum are adults, that is the problem with hit songs, we like true music. I think that if Spotify, Amazon, itunes would focus some on the adult generation, they could still sale music to us. I would buy songs that are like the forum here puts out and many of my Soundcloud friends write. The market is still here, just not being used. I dont need to buy a song from the 70's that I already have, they only want to sell us old songs, we can write and record new songs that are just as good or better than what we grew up with. A hell of a lot better than the crap that is being sold for hits now. Cliff I noticed you said "most of us on this forum are adults." Realize, I may not qualify.  But are you buying or just saying you would? That is the big question that is easily answered. Ad up ALL the money you spent on songs you purchased last year. Compare that to someone who consumes what is on the charts or even the college music scene. I don't know this; but am guessing they probably spend more than you do. As a business, that's what they look at. Period. Not should's or would's, reality. But there is GREAT news... It doesn't have to be on the charts for you to buy it. There are songs in whatever genre you like, that are new songs, available for purchase right now. Ask some of the other members of the forum and you will find some that seek out what they like and will tell you it's more available now than ever. There is no shortage of new music in any genre. There's also no shortage of people willing to complain that music isn't what it used to be; and that they don't make it like they used to. They do though! I find that fascinating.
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Guys, I think most of us on this forum are adults, that is the problem with hit songs, we like true music. I think that if Spotify, Amazon, itunes would focus some on the adult generation, they could still sale music to us. I would buy songs that are like the forum here puts out and many of my Soundcloud friends write. The market is still here, just not being used. I dont need to buy a song from the 70's that I already have, they only want to sell us old songs, we can write and record new songs that are just as good or better than what we grew up with. A hell of a lot better than the crap that is being sold for hits now. Cliff Ah, "true music". I remember my parents telling me in the 70s that my favorite music was not good like their music from the 50s. And their parents told them their music wasn't music at all since it was not like their favorite big band stuff. To each his own. And if you're serious about buying new music like that on the forums, below are just a few forum folks who'd prolly sell you a CD or accept a $10 donation for downloading their songs! - https://www.janiceandbud.com/- http://stephenwyoung.com/- http://www.floydjane.com/- https://soundcloud.com/bob-buford
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Ok, I do not spend money on the new stuff period, and will not, and i already own the white album several times over. That is not what I am talking about, yes I do buy songs as downloads from artists that I like, I am saying that the mainstream could be gunned towards the ADULT audience with good effect if songs were pushed that we like. But we have our songs that we try to promote ourselves and it is difficult to do. If you make a living selling your downloads good you are the exception. I am saying that we could do better given a better shot by the outlets. Look on the adds for new music, no way they are trying to sell anything to most of us, but, it could be done.
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Ok, I do not spend money on the new stuff period, and will not, and i already own the white album several times over. That is not what I am talking about, yes I do buy songs as downloads from artists that I like, I am saying that the mainstream could be gunned towards the ADULT audience with good effect if songs were pushed that we like. But we have our songs that we try to promote ourselves and it is difficult to do. If you make a living selling your downloads good you are the exception. I am saying that we could do better given a better shot by the outlets. Look on the adds for new music, no way they are trying to sell anything to most of us, but, it could be done. I hear ya but I remain unconvinced that there is a large market for the older styles of music. As you said, I also already have the white album (on vinyl, 8-track, cassette, and CD!) And it is still great music so I still listen to it from time to time. Add to that my Pink Floyd collection, my Jethro Tull records, Black Sabbath, Yes, Moody Blues, Led Zeppelin, ZZTop and on and on and on...and I quickly realize I have way more than enough excellent music to last me the rest of my life! I still buy a new album from time to time but not nearly like I used to. Couple that with the fact that we have a million options vying for our free time that we didn't have when we were kids. Hundreds of TV channels instead of the 2 or 3 we used to have. Thousands of radio programs playing every kind of music you can imagine whereas we had just a handful of local stations when I was young. We have computers we can use to make our own music or play awesome games. And then there is The Internet with its almost unlimited access to free music and information and news and art and books and so on! So, with all those options that we never used to have it is not at all surprising to me that selling records is almost impossible for all but a few top artists. Some folks might see my assessment as cynical or negative but I see it as simple realism. And, I still occasionally buy a lottery ticket for fun because "what if"! But I wouldn't bet my house or my income on it. And that is kinda how I see the odds of getting a hit record these days...like hitting the lottery.
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Couple that with the fact that we have a million options vying for our free time that we didn't have when we were kids. Hundreds of TV channels instead of the 2 or 3 we used to have. Thousands of radio programs playing every kind of music you can imagine whereas we had just a handful of local stations when I was young. We have computers we can use to make our own music or play awesome games. And then there is The Internet with its almost unlimited access to free music and information and news and art and books and so on!
So, with all those options that we never used to have it is not at all surprising to me that selling records is almost impossible for all but a few top artists.
....is kinda how I see the odds of getting a hit record these days...like hitting the lottery.
This is kinda it, what J3 said. Same in the book publishing world (the traditional world of which is going up in flames.) 4,000, yes, FOUR THOUSAND new books hit Kindle EVERY DAY. I used to download those daily freebies with great titles, then found they were so horrible I couldn't read them. All except for Tie Me Up: Part V, The Hardest Spanking Ever. That was good. There is just SO MUCH STUFF. I think the last thing I spent big money on was the Hilary Hahn collection, just because when I sit in my den at the end of a nerve racking day and listen to her I can close my eyes and go to heaven. And if she comes to play nearby I will shell out $500 for a front row seat in a second, because she takes me to heaven. The math and money equation is really easy for me as spender. Take me to heaven and I will pay you. No jokes J3!!!!!! I am warning you!!!!
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Ah, "true music". I remember my parents telling me in the 70s that my favorite music was not good like their music from the 50s. And their parents told them their music wasn't music at all since it was not like their favorite big band stuff. To each his own. And if you're serious about buying new music like that on the forums, below are just a few forum folks who'd prolly sell you a CD or accept a $10 donation for downloading their songs! - https://www.janiceandbud.com/- http://stephenwyoung.com/- http://www.floydjane.com/- https://soundcloud.com/bob-bufordThanks for the shoutout FWIW, we finally gave in and have an album coming out on Amazon, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and others. "Couple that with the fact that we have a million options vying for our free time that we didn't have when we were kids. Hundreds of TV channels instead of the 2 or 3 we used to have. Thousands of radio programs playing every kind of music you can imagine whereas we had just a handful of local stations when I was young. We have computers we can use to make our own music or play awesome games. And then there is The Internet with its almost unlimited access to free music and information and news and art and books and so on!" I couldn't agree more with you regarding your comments about all the options. I find it amusing to be talking about the White Album from 50 years ago. I was 22 at the time the time of it's release. And 50 years ago back from then folks were still playing songs on cylinders! Time passes and things do change. Again, as I alluded to in an above response, with all the options available we can carve out our little niche of interest and peacefully reside in it. Nobody is forcing or even pushing me to listen to anything that I do not care to check out. Heck, Wilco seems like modern rock to me We are having fun exploring that large Americana tent and have been listening to Americana since folks started calling it that 25 years ago. I've loved multiple genres of music since the 50's when I used to fall asleep listening to all night radio 50,000 watt stations. You'd hear rockabilly, country, western swing, blues, some raunchy blues (yes, very raunchy - sorta like what's upsetting folks now on a relative basis ), R&B and more. Then all the stations became compartmentalized. And now? I can turn to Apple Music anytime and hear curated playlists or radio stations that play a mixture of everything we like. Back to the future. All is good. Bud
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Take me to heaven and I will pay you. No jokes J3!!!!!! I am warning you!!!! But...but...but...you lobbed me a nice soft one over the net...
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Yeah, I got off the subject of making a #1 hit severely. I think the fact that Bud brought up , you can pay 10 bucks a month and hear everything, is pretty much the fact and end game. Yep cant argue that. I would love to have had spotify years ago.
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Some really good discussion happening here. Someone above mentioned that it is hard for artists to sell records these days - but on the contrary, the vinyl market has majorly boomed in the last 6-8 years. I would go so far as to say 90% of my favourite modern artists have vinyl released. I personally have a record collection of around 50 spanning both old and new music. I'd even say records are more common in my generation than discs now, as everyone has their digital media in song files on their phones, computers, iPads, etc.
As for generations not understanding each other's music - that is undeniable. My parents are pretty open minded about modern music, but I listen to a lot of rap and hip hop and they just can't understand the appeal. And that is okay - they aren't the target audience. Similarly, I don't understand the appeal of a lot of older artists. The appeal of artists like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and AC/DC goes right over my head.
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Deryk,
Are you publicly declaring that you think Highway to Hell and Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap aren't the greatest songs ever written???
How can we ever...trust...anything anyone says ever again? First it was the G7 summit, now this.
Oh man. I am so bummed.
We are surely on that highway now.
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Deryk,
Are you publicly declaring that you think Highway to Hell and Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap aren't the greatest songs ever written???
How can we ever...trust...anything anyone says ever again? First it was the G7 summit, now this.
Oh man. I am so bummed.
We are surely on that highway now.
Haha, this gave me a good chuckle! Maybe it's because my mom used to blast Highway to Hell all the time when I was young and it drove me mad. It all has its place at the end of the day - thanks for the good laugh though!
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