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Come on PG Music. Do better.
Band In A Box 2018 On OSX is proving as buggy as hell - when it comes to hosting AudioUnit or VST plugins. In both 32 bit or 64 "Bridged" mode.
And thats without going anywhere near the new piano-roll editor
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And yes - i'm reporting all the cases and scenarios best as i can to PG support. As well as crash logs.
But I can't be the only one seeing this. And its happening on both my macs.
One on el cap the other in High sierra.
Not good enough.
RealTracks may be the new kid on the block - and suitable for many tasks.
But for composing music on the MELODY track - and in many cases - where I specifically WANT to use MIDI backing styles - so that I can select plugins for use with them - BIAB is letting me down.
MIDI is still a **thing** ya know!....
Last edited by nonchai; 07/13/18 07:30 AM.
Big Sur, Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
Yamaha PSR SX 900, Cubase, Ableton, UNIFY, OPUS ORCHESTRATOR, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ,Audiofuse, L6 HELI, KOMPLETE, Komplete Kontrol 88
Lockdown beard, podgy face, beer belly, bald patch ... yadda yadda
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nonchai,
could you share a few examples of the styles and AU/VST's you used ?
Also, what was the response from PG support ?
Mac Audiophile 2020 2019 2018 2017 USB plus previous years versions macOS Mojave - 10.14.6 @ Aug 16, 2019 iMac i3 3.6 GHz 8GB RAM 4K with Retina display some examples @ sound cloud done with Mac Band and DAW's : https://soundcloud.com/you/tracks
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BLONDY1.sty
And i was using 32 bit versions of SynthMaster One and N.I. FM8.
I tried both Audiounit and 32 bit VST.
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I am also noticing that when I save a song that previously used MIDI styles with default MIDI GM instruments - with changes in the PLUGINS page made so that one or more tracks now carry a plugin on them - that when I load the song
the plugins will load. but as soon as playback occurs all the tracks that I have set up to have plugins on them ( AU/VST ) simply revert to playing the built in GM instrument and the tack no longer carries the plugin on it.
I suspect that if a BIAB style ( i am using old- ish MIDI Styles ) has GM program change messages embedded in the MIDI for a style - that program-change causes the track to revert to the DLSMusicDevice synth - REGARDLESS of whether
Big Sur, Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
Yamaha PSR SX 900, Cubase, Ableton, UNIFY, OPUS ORCHESTRATOR, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ,Audiofuse, L6 HELI, KOMPLETE, Komplete Kontrol 88
Lockdown beard, podgy face, beer belly, bald patch ... yadda yadda
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Here is a link to my DropBox area where you will see a video screen recording of me using BIAB demonstrating how BIAB refuses to play my song and style with the plugins I chose. It keeps reverting to GM DLSMusicDevice https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k5ao378ym3z3lc1/AABDVcw3Bvo-GhE0UnpyAXyna?dl=0
Big Sur, Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
Yamaha PSR SX 900, Cubase, Ableton, UNIFY, OPUS ORCHESTRATOR, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ,Audiofuse, L6 HELI, KOMPLETE, Komplete Kontrol 88
Lockdown beard, podgy face, beer belly, bald patch ... yadda yadda
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After you've done all the changes you want do you do a regenerate and then save ?
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Hi Nonchai,
I'm getting a lot of crashes with the FM8 and Synthmaster demos as well. It seems to be worse with FM8 than Synthmaster, and the AU version of FM8 seems to be a bit worse than the VST version, but it's not working great with the VST or AU version of either one.
The crashes seem to happen the most when hitting Play, and when saving songs that use these synths, and when switching synths while a song is playing. I'm reporting these issues now.
Regarding the problem in your video, that's not happening to me. Any synths that are assigned to tracks aren't disappearing for me. Can you send that song file, "AAA PLUGIN TEST.SGU" to support@pgmusic.com for testing please?
Thanks
Kent
PG Music
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After you've done all the changes you want do you do a regenerate and then save ?
Yes. When i regenerate after assigning a plugin and play back the song - it plays with the plugin correctly. I then save the song. And for good measure quite BIAB. Then i open up the song file and try playing. At this point it is as if program change messages embedded in the original song ( or style ) totally override the plugin and it disappears - and instead DLSMusicDevice just plays the track as in the original MIDI style. So for example in the original BIAB style I use ( BLONDY1.sty ) the bass is a GM fretless bass. I replace this with SynthMaster One and select a preset in it which happens to be an arpeggiated bass-synth ( which works really well with this style ). I then regenerate and play. everything is fine. I save the song. when i reopen the song the plugin appears allocated to the bass track as before - but as soon as I do PLAY - it disappears to be replaced wth DLSMusicDevice GM fretless bass.
Big Sur, Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
Yamaha PSR SX 900, Cubase, Ableton, UNIFY, OPUS ORCHESTRATOR, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ,Audiofuse, L6 HELI, KOMPLETE, Komplete Kontrol 88
Lockdown beard, podgy face, beer belly, bald patch ... yadda yadda
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Kent after your developers have fixed all these issues with plugin crashes and the strange behaviour of saved BIAB songs that contain plugins on tracks having those tracks revert to DLSMusic device - once all these issues are fixed - can you also ask your developers to allow one to hear the sound of the plugin instrument when one is playing in MIDI from a MIDI keyboard. Whether just to audition the sound and try out musical ideas - or when actually recording a MIDI melody track. One should be able to hear what one is playing. If I want to use Synthogy Ivory, FM8 or a Kontakt instrument it is obvious that if i am improvising a melody that I want recorded - that I should be able to hear the damn thing as I play it. This is elementary stuff. Not rocket science - and something so obvious I simply shouldnt have to be going - begging-bowl-fashion asking for such things, as plugin volume control, plugin auditioning... and so on.... I shouldn't have to be asking "please sir... can I have some more" .... Oliver Twist - fashion.  Maybe some of your BIAB staff should simply spend some time actually USING this new PIANO-ROLL feature. Try improvising melodies along to a backing track. Try actually recording melodies into the MELODY track- using different plugins. Play around. See for yourselves the kinds of things that are missing - and should be in there. And put all these bug-fixes changes into the next BIAB update.
Last edited by nonchai; 07/16/18 04:41 AM.
Big Sur, Mac Mini i7 2018, 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
Yamaha PSR SX 900, Cubase, Ableton, UNIFY, OPUS ORCHESTRATOR, MASCHINE, Vienna Ensemble Pro ,Audiofuse, L6 HELI, KOMPLETE, Komplete Kontrol 88
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Hi Nonchai,
Your request of being able to play any track in BIAB with your keyboard has already been passed along, but bear in mind that it's been possible to play VST synths with your MIDI keyboard since VST support was implemented, by assigning them to the Thru track. That's always been the track that's triggered by the keyboard, and works fine with plugins.
Regarding the crashes, have you tried build 263 yet? So far, it's taken care of the crashes for me when using those synths. If you're still getting the crashes after updating, please let us know.
Thanks
Kent
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