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Bob, you got me excited about this. I could get a few 1TB thumb drives and use them as backups, replacing my HDs. That was until I started looking at the ratings. All that I looked at, and that was two pages worth, had between 50%-75% one star ratings. No thanx, I'll pass on these.

According to the reviews, these cheap "1Tb" drives are smaller size thumb drives with faked capacities.

So they'll let you write a huge amount of files to them, but it won't actually be stored, so you'll just have a bunch of corrupted files on the drive once you get past the actual drive capacity.


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Damn.....

One thing you may not be aware of concerning common surge protectors. They have a limited life like a year maybe. It sucks I know but they should be replaced regularly. I can't remember where I read this but I think it was here posted by Mac. The problem is small surges that you may not know happened gradually weakens the surge protector until it fails but the problem is they still let power through, you still think they're working.

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Yes.... In the security business, we used a bunch of them on phone lines. That seemed to be how our panels were getting hit.

Most of the ones you buy in the stores, and even the ones we use in this biz are parallel surge devices. They go across the line to neutral or ground. The are good for one hit. When blown, you never know it and there's no efficient way to test them. They're like fuses. Test them and you have to replace them.

There are series surge protectors that are more expensive but you will know when it's blown because nothing downstream from it works.

Yes, small surges weaken the MOV's and eventually, even without a big hit, they have stopped protecting you. Some have lights on them, some (most) don't. And none of the low voltage ones do... phone, internet, comm circuits etc....

Fortunately, prices are way down on TVs and computers so we buy new ones and hope for the best with the surge protection in the lines. They are designed to get the small surges.

When lightning hits the lines directly, and blows the power company transformer on the pole ( 2 of them actually... us and the neighbor) there's nothing made by man that will stop that surge other than to be totally disconnected from the lines.

As I am writing this.... thunder is rolling outside.... let me shut this off and go into the house and take a nap. I think I'll pull the plugs.


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Surge protectors won't work for a close lightning strike. Period.

The only sure protection is to unplug it.

When you aren't home, unplug it. Overnight, unplug it. When storms approach, unplug it.

It's the ounce of prevention.

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Surge protectors won't work for a close lightning strike. Period.

The only sure protection is to unplug it.

When you aren't home, unplug it. Overnight, unplug it. When storms approach, unplug it.

It's the ounce of prevention.

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yep yep

you don't even have to get a hit to get hit. Magnetic Induction into the lines is just as bad.


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Surge protectors might not work is probably more accurate. In the eighties we had a massive RS232 based network at a University I worked at (as the data comms guy). Every wire was protected by a varistor to ground at both the mainframe and terminal ends. All line drivers were optocoupled. We had a direct hit, in one area the wires blue off the termination modules varistors were fried we lost 3 terminals out of about 25 in one building.

The actual building that got hit didn’t have much in it but the building suffered. This building was close to the computer centre. The computer centre survived just fine.

In another case I was looking after the networks for a number of hospitals. I recommended using lightning protection particularly in one area. “Lightning protection does not work” I was told. They often had equipment failure after storms. The really bad thing they did was swing a cable in the air between buildings so yes induction played a huge part. After putting rather large black holes in a multiplexer they replaced the multiplexer still no lightning protector. Two weeks later a series of black holes in the new multiplexer @ $7k+. This time we also installed a $45 protector (that had to be replaced) but never had real bad issues again.

As I said earlier with any lightning protection you don’t know if it worked, you only know if it failed. I have many examples.

A lot of people put protection on power to PCs but not on the data cables. If you are going to do protection you need to also consider the comms devices.

In the years prior to my retirement I was responsible for the networking for some 300+ schools. I insisted that all cables between buildings were fibre. Once again purely as lightning and induction can be very dangerous.

These experiences come from 40+ years working in data comms. Like insurance some protection is better than none.

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I always use surge protectors and uninterruptible power supplies.

But when I'm not at home, sleeping, or if I hear close thunder, it's unplugged.

Yes, there may be cases where the lightning finds a better path to ground that spares your computer, but that's like playing Russian Roulette with your hardware and your data.

Years ago I had lightning hit close to my house, it sent sparks out of the jack where the phone/DSL line connects to the wall, and toasted an APC UPS/Surge protector. The computer, unplugged was unharmed.

I was home, I saw the sparks, it was like independence day fireworks (the 'sparklers' that we used when I was a child).

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...with any lightning protection you don’t know if it worked, you only know if it failed.

That sums it up quite succinctly.

Also, lots of usable information in this topic.


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Interesting read. I'm sitting here between two or more typhoons over Japan, China and the Philippines. Just returned from the Philippines where Manila is more like Venice without anything nice and in Hong Kong it's raining endlessly. Time to safeguard my gear.


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