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Yeah I thought we may all get tied up on our definitions of success and I do believe that everyone has (and should have) their own definition.

It has been very fascinating to read over everyone's responses, but at the end of the day this is exactly right. Success and what it means to achieve it is going to be different for everyone.


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Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper

Yeah I thought we may all get tied up on our definitions of success and I do believe that everyone has (and should have) their own definition.

It has been very fascinating to read over everyone's responses, but at the end of the day this is exactly right. Success and what it means to achieve it is going to be different for everyone.


Exactly Ember. Maybe you are a success if you consider yourself to be a success. ie You dont sit there thinking, I wish I had more money or I wish I was thinner or I wish I had someone to share my life with (IF those things are important to you). Conversely maybe you are a failure if you THINK you are a failure.


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Replace the “or” in the thread title with “and” and you will find out soon enough if it’s God’s will..


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“Running east looking for a sunset, I don’t care how positive you are, I don’t care how hard you work at it, it’s not going to work, it’s the wrong strategy.”
-Tony Robbins


This is certainly good advice, but if I may play devil's advocate for a moment, I'd like to use this quote to illustrate the serendipitous nature of fame, and maybe the reason why some people get lucky by being in the right place at the right time.

Even if you run with all your might to the east looking for a sunset... the sun is moving faster than you are. Sooner or later the sun will go down wherever you happen to be in your journey. You might have to turn around to see the sunset... but a sunset happens once a day no matter where you are. I said that to point out that there are forces with more momentum than you can muster on your own.

This is partly why there are stories of people being in the right place at the right time.

Having said that, I think there is a method to the madness of being in the right place at the right time. It is more than luck. It has to do with identifying trends, then jumping on the bandwagon with your art to fuel the fervor.

Most of the artists I like jumped on the Hippie bandwagon, and the movement carried them to a position of recognition. Today I see artists (both graphical and musical) getting attention by serving niche movements. Cartoons, animations or songs about a trending ideology positions you to be forwarded by people who are actively involved in spreading that ideology.

Ideology is like a river.. it has direction and current capable of sweeping people along with a momentum that would be hard for one person to build alone.

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Being prepared is good, but luck is always present.

An analogy:

A hunter sees deer tracks, and sets up various cameras. He notices a place where a big buck crosses about 9AM every day.

So the hunter gets up the night before, prepares himself to mask the human scent, hides up in the tree as dawn arrives and waits for the deer.

On the way there, the buck gets the scent of a doe in heat and heads the opposite direction.

Bad luck for the hunter, good luck for the deer.

There is a story about Fabian, a teen idol of the 1950s (who couldn't sing his way out of a paper bag). A record exec was walking down a street in New York, say this guy sitting on a porch, figured the girls would go wild over this guy, and made him a star. If Fabian had been inside tending to nature at that moment he wouldn't have been discovered.

Good luck with zero preparation.

However, if you are lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, or know the right people, and you are prepared for it, the combination of work and prep can be a winner.

Note I'm talking about stardom as the measure of success. I truly think that although I didn't quite make 'the big time', making a living by doing music and nothing but music with the kindest woman I've ever known who just happens to be a great singer and a musician is success in life. I'm happy, out of debt and fulfilled.

And I owe it all to luck.

I was gigging at a night club. I was in a hired horn section for this wanna-be star. He had all the promotion, studied the moves, but didn't quite have it.

I was recently divorced and a couple of us sat down with a table of young women. It was a lot of fun, but none of them really interested me.

The next night they literally put clothes on Leilani and dragged her to the club to hear this band. She was recently divorced, tired of the meet/meat market scene, and playing in another band at the time.

I looked out from the stage, saw this woman with a beautiful smile sitting with the group of ladies that I had a good time talking with the night before, sat down and said "Hi".

It was immediate, comfortable and exciting at the same time. It was like we were old friends. We became each other's groupies, and when both our bands broke up within weeks of each other, I whispered in my best faux-French accent, "Let's make beautiful music together."

Luck. If our band got fired for one of the guys in the band itself acting inappropriately, a week earlier, I wouldn't have met her. If the agency put us somewhere else that week, or if Leilani refused to go out, or any number of other things, it wouldn't have happened.

It was great luck.

IMHO anyone who discounts luck is missing something. But someone who counts on luck without working for it is missing even more.

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Notes, I like that.

It's a great articulation of how things happen in life. Good luck to you. Probably well deserved, also.


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