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I am new to the program and have been beating my head against the wall trying to create a sort of backing track for "On the Way Home" (Neil Young / Buffalo Springfield). The problem is the chords have a definite pattern which is more 8th note oriented and has a sort of 4/5 feel but it's definitely in 4/4 time. Nothing seems to work for me. Here is the first page of the sheet music. On the Way Home Sheet Music Seems accurate although I might change that opening pattern to two 8th notes followed by an 8th rest then hold for the remaining 5/8. (If you listen to the original version, it's sort of done this way.) And here's the song itself I'm trying to comp. On the Way Home - YouTube video Any help is appreciated. Like I said, I'm new to this so be gentle.
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Sven Golly,
Welcome to both Band-in-a-Box and to the forum!
One way to approach the song could be to make each bar count as half a bar. As an example lets say you determine the song tempo to be around 90 beats per minute (bpm). Change the song timing to 180 and each beat in a bar is worth one eighth note.
When you do this, you'll have to try half time and double time RealTrack settings because chances are 180 bpm styles and RealTracks would not sound appropriate for your song.
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BiaB has a system that allows you to modify the rhythmic duration of chords. Here's the list, where X represents any chord. Notice that some modifiers are placed before the chord (shot, hold, silence), while others are place after (pushes): - X. Silence
- X.. Strum, then mute the chord (shot)
- X... Strum and hold the chord (hold)
- ^X Anticipate the beat by an 8th note (push)
- ^^X Anticipate the beat by a 16th note (push)
Here's a video one of the forum members put together to demo each of these: Push, Shot and HoldSo for your example, you could try this for the first four bars (The "/" indicates that no chord is placed on that beat): Fmaj7 ^Fmaj7 ^Cmaj7... / | F ^F C... / | Fmaj7 ^Fmaj7 ^Cmaj7... / | F ^F C... / |You probably already know this, but BiaB by default assumes that you're entering in one chord per half beat, so to enter two chords into the first half of the bar, you'll need to seperate them by a comma. So enter the first half of the bar as: fj, ^fjThat is, an Fmaj7 on beat 1 ("j" is short for "maj7"), and a syncopated Fmaj7 pushed back by an 8th beat on beat 2. Press Tab to move to the next cell, and enter into the second half of the bar: ^cj...That is, a syncopated Cmaj7 on beat 3 that's pushed back by an 8th beat, and then held. That should give you what you want on the guitars... but you'll notice that all the other instruments also follow those instructions. That's not what you want - in the song, the drum keeps pounding out quarter notes without syncopation. You do have the option of having rest instructions apply to individual instruments, but that's not an option for pushes. So this is where it gets more complicated, but not terribly so. There's a Freeze option in each instrument's menu that lets you "Freeze" a track in place, so it doesn't regenerate and change, even if you modify the chords. So you can do the following: - Build the unsyncopated parts of the song (drums, etc.) first, and freeze those tracks.
- Go back and add rhythmic modifiers to the parts you want to change (keys, guitars), and freeze them when you've got them doing what you want.
- Lather, rinse, repeat.
Does this make sense?
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Excellent tutorial David. It would sure be nice if you repeated that post in the Tips & Tricks section of the forum. 
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Excellent tutorial David. It would sure be nice if you repeated that post in the Tips & Tricks section of the forum Let's see how it works for Sven first.
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first thing you can try is to let BB analyze the chords in the Auto Chord Wizard. (ACW)
See if it will capture the song accurately. Even if it gets close, it's easy to edit the results.
Barring that, find the chord charts on the internet.... easy to do.... and enter the chords manually, playing along from time to time to check it for accuracy.
I find that entering the chords manually for a cover song is generally a very quick process. Get the intro.... get the verse.... get the chorus, and it's basically a copy and paste from there, with a few edits for any breaks or solo parts and the ending. The better you know the song, the faster the process goes.
I listened to the song and it's relatively simple.
Understand this.... BB will not ever give you a note for note cover of the song. It can and will give you a generic adaption of the song. Enough so that you can play it convincingly for yourself and audiences in clubs. Unless you can play (or program midi) the parts won't sound the same as TBS played it. The bass part especially is unique for this song. The better you can play the parts that are unique to the song, and use those tracks, the more authentic the results can be.
Several years ago, I did a reasonably good cover of the song Southern Nights for a client. I had to play a lot of the song myself and rely on BB to provide the parts it could do well. That song turned out extremely accurate and faithful to the original.... but it certainly took a bit of work to get it done.
Hope this was helpful.
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BiaB has a system that allows you to modify the rhythmic duration of chords. Here's the list, where X represents any chord. Notice that some modifiers are placed before the chord (shot, hold, silence), while others are place after (pushes):
Does this make sense? Maybe after I read it a few times and play with it. Thanks!
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first thing you can try is to let BB analyze the chords in the Auto Chord Wizard. (ACW)
See if it will capture the song accurately. Even if it gets close, it's easy to edit the results.
Barring that, find the chord charts on the internet.... easy to do.... and enter the chords manually, playing along from time to time to check it for accuracy.
I find that entering the chords manually for a cover song is generally a very quick process. Get the intro.... get the verse.... get the chorus, and it's basically a copy and paste from there, with a few edits for any breaks or solo parts and the ending. The better you know the song, the faster the process goes. I've got the chords entered but it's that 8th note timing that BIAB doesn't like. I could probably do this straight in Cakewalk but I consider this a learning experience for BIAB.
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first thing you can try is to let BB analyze the chords in the Auto Chord Wizard. (ACW) Tried that for grins and it wasn't even close. The vocals clearly overpower the chord structure and that song defies vocal zapping.
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Guitarhacker " Barring that, find the chord charts on the internet.... easy to do.... and enter the chords manually, playing along from time to time to check it for accuracy. " For those that may require that chord chart ( On The Way Home by Neil Young.pdf ) download >>> https://www12.zippyshare.com/v/fACp4NRZ/file.html
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I think you will have to build your own style rather than finding success in a premade RealStyle. There are several styles that come close but each style I've tried has failed because several instruments of the style miss the groove and feel of the song.
I didn't encounter any problem with the ACW decoding the chords, key signature and tempo map. It's a straightforward 4/4 song. I did find that the sheet music you provided does not accurately follow the recording starting at bars 7 and 8 and I played with the chords to get different voicings from the guitar.
The rhythm pattern is the issue and what drives the feel and and groove. You need to find a strumming guitar that features a doubled strumming patter. Then match the style of the remaining instruments that closely mimics what you hear on the recording.
Try this progression: Tempo 120 Key: C
Four bar instrumental intro: Fma7,Cmaj7|F/c,C|Fmaj7,Cmaj7|F/c,C
Bar 5 = C
Bar 6 = F
Bar 7 = C,G
Bar 8 = F/c, C
Bar 9 = C
Bar 10 = F
Bar 11 = C,G
Bar 12 = F/c,C
Bar 13 = F
Bar 14 = C
Bar 15 = F
Bar 16 = Dm
Bar 17 = G
Bar 18 = Bb, Fsus
Bar 19 = F
Bar 20 = Bb,Gm
Bar 21 = Bb
Bar 22 = Fma7,Cmaj7
Bar 23 = F/c, C
Bar 24 = Fma7,Cmaj7
Bar 25 = F/c
Bar 26 begins next verse...
I loaded a midi style and muted the instruments and then loaded and used Guitar RealTrack 1770, Electric rhythm and solo'd the guitar.
It's not perfect, but it can give you an idea to start with.
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I think you will have to build your own style rather than finding success in a premade RealStyle. There are several styles that come close but each style I've tried has failed because several instruments of the style miss the groove and feel of the song. I think this is almost more complicated than simply making a MIDI track in Cakewalk from scratch. I wouldn't know now to make my own Style. But thanks for the help. I'll try to digest it when my brain is up to it.
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If MIDI is okay (versus RealTracks), I would find a MIDI file of the song, then use that as a basis for creating a style using the style wizard (which lets you capture riffs as style elements).
Why not just use the MIDI file you downloaded as is in that case? Because once you have the groove as an underlying style you can do things like reharmonize, change up the arrangement, add other elements, and even use the style in other songs.
The style wizard isn't necessarily simple, but it's not too terribly difficult if you follow the instructions in the user manual.
Just a thought, and then you'll have greater insight into the workings of BIAB, which you said was your goal.
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You will never get an accurate cover from BB on songs like this.
You have 3 choices as I see it.
1. Forget BB and use all of your own tracks played live or midi.
2. Create an adaption of the original and don't worry over the details. Use a simple Even 4 or even 8 style in country or rock.
3. Use the basic BB tracks for things you can and use your live tracks to give the song the original groove.
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first thing you can try is to let BB analyze the chords in the Auto Chord Wizard. (ACW)
See if it will capture the song accurately. Even if it gets close, it's easy to edit the results.
Barring that, find the chord charts on the internet.... easy to do.... and enter the chords manually, playing along from time to time to check it for accuracy.
I find that entering the chords manually for a cover song is generally a very quick process. Get the intro.... get the verse.... get the chorus, and it's basically a copy and paste from there, with a few edits for any breaks or solo parts and the ending. The better you know the song, the faster the process goes. I've got the chords entered but it's that 8th note timing that BIAB doesn't like. I could probably do this straight in Cakewalk but I consider this a learning experience for BIAB. Try searching in the stylepicker for the word "push." That SHOULD list styles that have pushes in them. Then start demo'n in the 60's/70's/Rock section to narrow down the results. Trax
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