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I noticed, even in the PGM examples, hand movements that would not likely be possible for a real player... That is also a good point. How practical are they as a practice tool when some of the disjointed articulations don't actually match the playing techniques a musician could generally deliver.
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OK, well so much for my teaching tool theory then.
In that case I got nothing.
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I actually liked your point, Rharv. It’s just that I think it would require new recordings and new technology. But I hope PG Music can figure this out.
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...In that case I got nothing. So let us vote for a different kind of video stuff if there should be at all: Copyright free for PG clients, to enhance the music coming out of BIAB and RB. Useful when you want to publish your stuff on f.i. Youtube, Vimeo etc. Items that could work: Hula Dancing 'Ladies', Nature & Animals, Underwater Scuba Scenery, Russian Dashcam stuff, Animations, Fishing Trips, Ducks on the Pond, you name it. Issue every PG employee with a camera & send them on an extra holiday trip, WHEN THEY FIXED ALL THEM DARN ANNOYING RT ISSUES FIRST  , or organize an X-Tra style X-Video type contest for the users ... -F
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Hi Fiddler
You are aving a tin bath! (Laugh)
My word your asking for a fully functional video timeline editing plug in now.
I sure that sort of thing is much better achieved out side of BIAB on your completed mp3 / wave file, even if you only use a simple tool like windows movie maker.
Youtube is quite happy with WMV file uploads,
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So let us vote for a different kind of video stuff if there should be at all: Copyright free for PG clients, to enhance the music coming out of BIAB and RB. Useful when you want to publish your stuff on f.i. Youtube, Vimeo etc. Items that could work: Hula Dancing 'Ladies', Nature & Animals, Underwater Scuba Scenery, Russian Dashcam stuff, Animations, Fishing Trips, Ducks on the Pond, you name it. I would strongly disagree with PGM getting further into the video business! There are plenty of online sources doing it way better and I hope PGM focuses on what they are great at...RealTracks! https://videos.pexels.com/
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I'll make one more comment in the direction the thread is taking.
Editing video to a piece of music can be cumbersome. Transitions/cuts on certain beats/bars is time consuming, even if the music is at 60, or 120, or 180 bpm. If it is at 76, or 135 bpm? It's impossible to do the math. Beat mappers in most consumer level products are wonky and inaccurate at best.
So I could see the value in a program that already is capable of making transitions on bar and beat potentially being handy to pull various clips into position. Sounds like what it is doing with the Video RT now.
Video can be slowed down or sped up to fit precise periods of time with maybe even lesser limits on viewability than time-stretching music clips has on listenability. This also seems to be what BIAB is doing with Video RT now.
Thanks, JohnJohnJohn for that link. I didn't even know such a thing existed. Even if you had a basket full of those clips though, editing them for precise periods on video editing software would be a challenge that automation could assist.
Free and therefor worthless advice to PGM, but maybe it will inspire some creativity in users, even if it isn't the future of VRT.
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Listen!!!
Did I just hear a huge sigh of relief from Cadillac Avenue now that this thread has gone quiet?
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Nope, can't be: they're busy moving to Edsel Road  ... F
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I'm with everybody here, I don't get it and never did.
As to the tons of comments that they should fix all the stuff we've been harping about for years. To me it's obvious those seeming simple things, like more than 4 chords in a bar, odd time sigs etc simply cannot be done using the current code. It it can they would have done it by now. It appears adding those things would require a complete rewrite which would certainly be time consuming and expensive. Which brings me to...
Rewrite it already. It's time. BUT for everybody who want that because it would probably include making it 64 bit, I'll bet all of our existing songs would NOT be compatible and that's where the hang up lies. Think about that one...All the gazillions of Biab songs on the internet that we've used for years would be dead.
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Rewrite it already. It's time. BUT for everybody who want that because it would probably include making it 64 bit, I'll bet all of our existing songs would NOT be compatible and that's where the hang up lies. Think about that one...All the gazillions of Biab songs on the internet that we've used for years would be dead. In my mind, I would think that all the original songs could be accommodated, even with a higher resolution (8th note chords, for example), as it's all just simple math. You may have to save your song in a new format after loading it, but I would think that a rewrite should accommodate loading the older format. You may not be able to go back to an older version with the new format, but you should be able to at least load and resave your old songs into the new format. Likewise, for long style file names (to get away from 8.3). The existing files know the current 8.3 style used, so at least for PGMusic styles (and Norton could probably provide it for his styles), there could be an easy lookup table from old 8.3 name to new long name (which could still be an 8.3 name).
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I’m actually going through that with another software program. I’ve used Serif’s Page Plus (a Pagemaker clone) since 1990 for posters, flyers, and newsletters. It’s indispensable like BIAB.
They reached the point where a total rewrite was needed, to make it fully cross-platform including iPads etc. and integrated with their other software (photo editing, vector drawing etc.).
Point being that the new program I am beta testing will not read the old program’s data files. For some projects, I will just start new. For other projects, I will open both programs and copy/paste the old elements into the new and easily recreate the design.
As long as PG Music gets it working where we can copy/paste between two instances of BIAB and makes that minimally compatible with their newly rewritten program, I’d be ok with that. Just imagine the legacy limitations that could be overcome, like 255 measure limit etc.
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An example of what John F just said is already in BIAB. The MIDI resolution used to be set at 120 parts per quarter. Some years ago (at our suggestion in the Wishlist) they made higher resolutions possible to match whatever your DAW used. Simple math as John said. No files became incompatible.
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Remember, PG Music did not ask for our opinion on any of this. They know their goals and, in this case, I suspect their limitations. That’s above my pay grade, programmer notwithstanding. I’d be surprised if they didn’t desire exactly what we’ve been saying but are limited in some way of reaching it.
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Remember, PG Music did not ask for our opinion on any of this. I would think they would welcome the opinions of their customers.
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Looks like we've strayed from the original topic, but I'll carry on.
- JJJ: I think PGMuisic DOES listen to their customers, AND welcomes their opinions. Some of our suggestions of the past have been incorporated into new releases.
- I got to thinking about "the numbers". The info on the right sidebar says there are about 28,000 "Members". I assume that means "members of this forum". What would be the estimate of "registered users" of BIAB? Or even "number of sales" of BIAB, since not everyone "registers" their copy. Would it be 10x the number of Forum members, or 100x? I couldn't even hazard a guess!
- Then how many people who own BIAB really care if it's 64 bit (let alone even know what that means)? Or how many need more than 4 chords to a bar, or different time signatures or more available bars, etc. etc. In other words, what percent of users need something "different" than what PGMusic provides every year?
- Not sure that "needing an update" or "needing a rewrite" is valid, if it's to either "attract" new, or "keep" existing members. For all we know, PGMusic is expanding their user base by leaps and bounds every year. And perhaps the majority of them are perfectly happy with the program the way it is.
Just sayin'.
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Lloyd, you make good points. Dunno about that 28,000 number as it likely includes everyone who ever created a forum account since the forum was launched whether they bought BIAB or not. But they certainly must have thousands of customers in order to staff their company and pay musicians for those amazing RealTracks!!
Regarding the 64-bit I'd agree that most users prolly don't care and won't until that fateful day when it becomes an issue! But things like more than 4 chords in a bar seems like such a basic musical requirement I'd bet lots of folks would notice and appreciate that improvement.
Plus, I would think that anyone who understands and loves RealTracks would appreciate being able to exercise more control over their generation. Or maybe that is just for hardcore types!
Getting back to this thread's original topic, I know the number of users who voiced their opinion on Video RealTracks is probably anecdotal compared to the bigger picture but if I were PGM I'd certainly pay attention to the fact that the consensus here is not positive for Video RealTracks.
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JJJ "Getting back to this thread's original topic, I know the number of users who voiced their opinion on Video RealTracks is probably anecdotal compared to the bigger picture but if I were PGM I'd certainly pay attention to the fact that the consensus here is not positive for Video RealTracks."
---------------------------------------------- Don't hold your breath on that one, I can already hear the opening lines to the 2019 biab new Feature List video, "Welcome to band in a box 2019, we have been busy, we have added 200 new realtrakcs, 40 of them Video tracks, and have added 50 hew features to band in a box 2019"
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Looks like we've strayed from the original topic, but I'll carry on.
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- Then how many people who own BIAB really care if it's 64 bit (let alone even know what that means)? Or how many need more than 4 chords to a bar, or different time signatures or more available bars, etc. etc. In other words, what percent of users need something "different" than what PGMusic provides every year?
- Not sure that "needing an update" or "needing a rewrite" is valid, if it's to either "attract" new, or "keep" existing members. For all we know, PGMusic is expanding their user base by leaps and bounds every year. And perhaps the majority of them are perfectly happy with the program the way it is.
Just sayin'.
LLOYD S Here is my two cents on these issues. Those working with RTs and using maybe a little MIDI would care less about 64 bit. They will be happy until their new computers will no longer support 32 bit programs if/when that happens. Those that use mostly MIDI will want 64 bit as all of the good sound source programs are 64 bit. More chords to a bar are a necessity in my mind. For example having chords on the 4th, 4.5 (eight note chord) and the 1st beat of the next measure is something that I do a lot. Different time signatures are another necessity. Real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4 etc styles would have the correct number of measures and beats in both notation and exports. BiaB has those styles now but they only show up in 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4 time signatures. YMMV PS- I will take these improvements over cosmetic changes any day.
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Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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As I said earlier I just don't believe those things are possible as Biab is now, they're so obvious and have been talked about for so long that if it were possible it would have been done already.
As far as compatibility with old vs new we're going through that now. The office moved and they took that opportunity to upgrade our system workstations to Win 10. The IT company has been pushing us to do that for several years. The problem is we have a very extensive Access database and use it for all kinds of things. Access is not easily compatible with Win 10 and we've known that for years too. Supposedly we were prepared for this, our programmer has some ideas how to make it work without having to recreate everything in Win 10's new data base program. Well, it's been two weeks now and it's a mess. The old Access is partially running, some things work but a whole lot of other things don't. I'm told it is "mostly" doable, it will just take time but we will permanently lose some functions.
As for this thread going off topic a bit, I think that's ok, the point's been made.
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