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#50773 - 01/01/10 10:25 PM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: Robh]
manning1 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/05
Posts: 1992
Loc: Canada
well...
i have a very nice plug in here called drumcore by submersible music.
a drum plug in. i just ran a basic test.
i normally run it in another daw i have.
i just have the basic free edition. that came with computermusic.co.uk mag
a few months back. superb drum sounds in it..
all i can report is i filled a trak with a drum pattern.
then instantiated the drumcore vst plug in.
filled a trak with a 100 bar midi pattern to test.
and got back the nice drumcore drums. on playback.
being triggered by the midi trak.
so obviously the vst plug in was seen.
but this is just basic stuff. not timing interaction etc etc.
like scott and other folks want.

jcspro40
re manually point.
yes thats exactly what i did.
there are loads of dll's on a system.
includeing non audio ones.
how would the audio program know which ones you want to use ??
so you have to manually in the trak via the plug in drop down
loacate to where the dll resides.
for example in my case it was something like drumcore3.dll.
i wonder if some probs folks are haveing is they just locate to the folder the plug in
resides in rather than specifically to the plugin.dll name.
heres a tip if you are useing various music software and are lost where certain
audio plug ins reside.
use windows search and enter *.dll in the win search box.
this will list all dll's on your system includeing non audio ones.
print it out and then you can manually go thru the directory tree
to locate the plug in you wish to use.
as i said sometimes you need to wait for the plug in to load on a slower system.

ps..jcspro.
as a test i tried the freeware version of your ddmf eq.
you said didnt work.
from here..
is this the correct site ??
http://www.ddmf.eu/
it worked fine and instantiated mate.
tell me any plug ins you find dont work.
i'm curious to try them.
give me a link for the ny compressor.
cos you said that one didnt work also.
is it the terry west one ??

also heres a big tip for you.
set up a folderr on win desktop main screen
called "test plug ins".
so you have a central place to download new plug ins to try out and see how
well they work in various programs.
)note make sure plug ins that are zippec are unzipped.
plus some have a proper installer. the ddmf was just a dll.
no installation.).
this way you have a central folder where the plug ins to be tested out with
rb are located. lets say you see a new plug i called
"freds 1073 vintage emulation". just download it into the test plug ins folder.
then in the rb trak point the rb trak at the test plug ins folder and then
point to "freds vintage 1073 emulation".
this will let you quikly test out new plug ins you wish to try in rb.
via one folder repository.

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#50774 - 01/01/10 11:23 PM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: manning1]
jcspro40 Offline
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Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 817
Loc: Ohio-USA
Yup manning1, that's the site. And I can get the Free IIEQ working, it is all the other ones that do not show up, including the DDMF NY Compressor & StereooeretS.

At his point in time I will be sticking with RB for RT/RD editing along with BiaB....I have really tried to like it, but I am just too use to something more substantial. I WILL keep an eye out for updates & the manual....especially the manual....

I am sure that the PTPA / RB DAW works great for some folks, but at this point in time I am not one of them..... .....I just like the Studio One way.....thanks for all the info & attempted help tho, it IS appreciated!
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#50775 - 01/01/10 11:27 PM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: jcspro40]
manning1 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/05
Posts: 1992
Loc: Canada
jcspro40
i dont care what you use mate.
thats your daw decision.
gimme the links for the plug ins that dont work.
cos i wanna see if they work here.
ok no matter dont need links..
found the ddmf compressor...demo.
trying now gimme 5 minutes.
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#50776 - 01/01/10 11:47 PM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: manning1]
manning1 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/05
Posts: 1992
Loc: Canada
jcspro.
with respect your obviously doing something wrong your end.
the ddmf compressor came up fine with the lovely big vu meters n knobs etc.
and i changed settings etc etc.
really easy instantiation. no probs.

tell me the specific sequence of actions your going thru.
BIG NOTE..the ddmf comp MUST BE UNZIPPED AFTER DOWNLOAD !!
to get the dll. DID YOU DO THIS ??

i'm beginning to think not all ..but some claims of
plug in probs are due to pilot error.
some plug ins need to be unzippe first and/or registered in windows
and/or come with a custom installer that must be executed.)
(except for scotts n jazzes timing points re drum plug ins etc.)
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#50777 - 01/02/10 08:25 AM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: manning1]
manning1 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/05
Posts: 1992
Loc: Canada
jcspro.
what the heck...its early here but i couldnt resist trying the other plug you said didnt show up.
viz the StereooeretS.

i dloaded the StereooeretS.
AND UNZIPPED IT.
loads n shows up fine here. nice big display etc etc.
as i suspected it would. clean as a whistle.
please detail exactly what your doing to add a plug in to process audio.

anyone else wanna tell me bout plug ins that dont work ?? lol.
i'll download em n post back my findings.
happy new year jcs.
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#50778 - 01/02/10 11:33 AM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: manning1]
jcspro40 Offline
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Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 817
Loc: Ohio-USA
#1, like Mac I respect you knowledge & effort, but the condescending tone is not called for!

It does not matter to me if you care what I use or not, I just posted my thoughts on the troubles that I am having. The only other problem I have had with VST's in RB was removing a VST from a list, and that was responded to in a polite & helpful manner.

Yes the plugins are unzipped, yes they are in their respective folder, and yes they do not show up like the rest do on MY system. I am happy that they do on yours, and as a side note I think if you work with the DDMF EQ & Compressor you just might by them, I find them very nice!

I do appreciate the help & the effort, really!
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#50779 - 01/02/10 01:10 PM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: jcspro40]
manning1 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/05
Posts: 1992
Loc: Canada
jcspro.
jeesh mate i'm trying to help you.
i dont know what else i can do.
what i suspect is happening on your system is your
ddmf plug ins are buried deep in the directory structure
on your hard drive.
is this the case ??
eg if you have something like this as your dir tree...

C
folderx
foldera within folder x.
folderb within foldera
then finally within folderb are the ddmf plug ins.

on drive C...
create a folder called plug ins instead.
this will allow you to navigate more easily.

i was simply responding to the fact you said the plug ins wouldnt load.
i suspect its how your organisation of plug ins is set up.
once youve added the plug in for the first time..
youll find it in the list in the drop down the next time.
god bless.
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#50780 - 01/02/10 05:18 PM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: manning1]
jazzmammal Online   content
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Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 6371
Loc: Redondo Beach, Ca.
Quote:

i'm beginning to think not all ..but some claims of
plug in probs are due to pilot error.




Really?? What was your first clue?

And btw Manning, you're one of my favorite posters, I always learn a lot from you so if we happen to disagree sometimes, that doesn't change. Scott's post about using proper protocol's for recording and mastering is the root of a lot of these problems. Except for this tempo lock issue, that's all too real.

Bob
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#50781 - 01/02/10 08:04 PM [RealBand] Re: VSTi Disappointment [Re: jazzmammal]
manning1 Offline
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Registered: 05/08/05
Posts: 1992
Loc: Canada
jazzmammal
respect to you too mate.
i only wish you the best.
re pilot/user error.
well actually if i were really fair i would have to say that in many
respects computer engrs should take some heat .lol.
whether its the folks who design the OS or who design the puter hardware itself.

thus i must say in some respects ever since the pc came out ive been disappointed
with various aspects of my profession.
cos in summary ..things could have been made a whole lot easier for users.
its cos things werent made easier for the user , ...
that users today have to worry about lots of things.
from purchaseing the right puter to use as a daw , the right sound device,
knowing how to set up the sound device. as well as knowing various aspects
bout the OS etc etc.
this is all over and above understanding the different
features of the daw they are useing.
in summary i dont feel my profession is blameless.

also to be fair to daw developers ..whether pg or sonar/cubase/logic/pt/..
or any other daw one can name, daw developers are often constrained
by the underlying computer architecture. the OS and the hardware itself.
plus the chosen sound device.
often also daw devs are on a hiding to nothing particularly if the underlying
platform is changeing. or lets say for example new features are
included in the audio api's which devs then have to race
to incorporate ax well as sound device manufacturers with new driver architectures.
meanwhile the poor user is trying to just make songs.
sometime take a gander at audio api's that daw programmers deal with.

further frankly , i feel things would have been a lot easier for users
if a OS had have been developed specific for just the audio/video creation process
and daw work etc etc.
rather than being a general purpose OS that tries to do everything.
ie a nice small elegant OS for daws//video folk.
with simple ease of use command structures for programmers of daws.


if you ever have the time spend a few weeks with the mac and win audio api's..
and try some codeing..might be fun..but youll prolly after a few weeks say to yourself..
how do sonar//cubase//traktion//reaper//logic//samplitude//pg and the other daw developers
deal with this stuff.
anyone who does this will realise..
irrespective of daw they use, actually there are very clever devs behind each daw
who actually, in many respects , given the underlying puter architecture
actually have achieved some pretty impressive solutions given the limitations the
devs have to deal with.
in summary i have great respect for daw devs , irrespective of company.
cos i assure you codeing up a daw is not a trivial undertakeing.
ive only ever developed software for industrial systems. not daws.
but haveing looked at how one might go about creating daw software..
all i can say is i have great respect to all daw developers wherever they are.
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