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#65525 - 03/14/10 11:49 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E?
FirstBassman Offline
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I tried the first two StoneZ1 Real Track Solo instruments (Numbers 497, 498, etc.) and neither would play anything during the E (or E7) chord.

Huh?


Edited by FirstBassman (03/14/10 11:49 PM)

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#65526 - 03/15/10 01:01 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FirstBassman]
FrankK Offline
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I tried the first two StoneZ1 Real Track Solo instruments (Numbers 497, 498, etc.) and neither would play anything during the E (or E7) chord.

Huh?





Yep, your right those tracks will not play 7th chords in keys that I tried but they would play standard chords in your case E, A and B. However they will play a 7th chord shot (in your case 'E7..d') and an ending 'E7...' shot.

And they will also play 9th chords which are a good substitute for the 7th. That is instead of B7 try B9 and so on.

The tracks you mention are of course not solos but rhythm tracks.

I agree if they play the shots as 7ths then they should also play 7th chords.

No doubt this will be fixed sometime.

Re Cheers F

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#65527 - 03/15/10 12:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FrankK]
FirstBassman Offline
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Well, the song is in the key of Am.

497, 498, etc. didn't play an E or and E7. Neither.


Quote:


The tracks you mention are of course not solos but rhythm tracks.







Yes, understood.
But they're listed under the Soloist button and I'm trying various things out.


Quote:


No doubt this will be fixed sometime.






Sometime?

Why would it go out the showroom this way?

Didn't somebody try it first? Honestly, I'm confused.


Edited by FirstBassman (03/15/10 03:04 PM)

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#65528 - 03/15/10 01:58 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FirstBassman]
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Why would it go out the showroom this way?

Didn't somebody try it first? Honestly, I'm confused.




Good point. All I can say is next time Peter asks for beta testers, apply so you too can see just how complex this stuff really is. You should email a snippet of this that they can listen to so it can be fixed.

Bob
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#65529 - 03/15/10 03:23 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FirstBassman]
FrankK Offline
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Well, the song is in the key of Am.

497, 498, etc. didn't play an E or and E7. Neither.







Well Am should not matter. The standard chord E plays for me fine but not the 7th chords.
Have you updated your Real tracks and drums under the support menu??

If you can get chord E to play, as I said you can use E9 instead of E7 (E9 is E7 with an extra F# note for spice) - not a great deal of difference with that honky guitar.
Cheers
F


Edited by FrankK (03/15/10 03:28 PM)

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#65530 - 03/15/10 03:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FrankK]
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The 'E', EMaj or 'E5' (power) chord should work fine. E7 doesn't (but E9 does). (same for other 7ths chords). That will be fixed in the next patch.
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#65531 - 03/31/10 08:36 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: jazzmammal]
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All I can say is next time Peter asks for beta testers, apply so you too can see just how complex this stuff really is.

Bob






Bob,

I’ve thought about contacting PGMusic about being a Beta tester and depending on how much is involved I now officially volunteer to Peter to do so.

But as far as “how complex this stuff really is,” that’s just the point. What I do is not complicated at all. Which I’ll get to in a moment.

The other thing is, these kind of things should be worked out before Beta.
There should be unit level testing with each added feature or phase of development as well as UAT (user acceptance testing) before Beta and certainly before RTM (release to manufacture).

And, as alluded to before, I’m not doing anything that complicated. I’m probably the most basic user of BiaB there is.
I type in some chords, select a Style and press Play. That’s really just about all I do. And I only use the program about two hours or so a month!

And I’d say in the past eight months I have discovered about a dozen Individual items that either didn’t work at all or didn’t work as described.

Sorry if this appears as a rant. Not the intention. Just illustrating a problem.
And the frustration factor is heightened because BiaB is such an amazing application. It deserves better.

Thanks for listening, - Mark



Edited by FirstBassman (04/01/10 06:48 AM)

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#65532 - 04/01/10 10:07 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FirstBassman]
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It isn't really what you do that's complicated, it's how BAIB takes what you do and translates it into professional - sounding music that's incredibly complicated ...

Bear in mind that each release of real track includes anything up to 100 new soloists or subsoloists, and there are literally hundreds of potential chords before you include /bass chords, pushes, rests etc. The beta testers put in hundreds of hours of listening / experimenting, and find lots and lots of things that require tweaking - and they pretty well all get tweaked. It would be physically impossible to test every combination soloist, style, chord etc etc. Hence the benefit of the Forum to PG, and to the rest of us, when member report glitches. Long term users are generally very sanguine about things which don't work 1st time, because over the years we've realised just how complex BAIB actually is, and how good Peter is at sorting things out, generally very quickly indeed.

On balance, I feel that your comments are a tad unfair...

Brian

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#65533 - 04/01/10 03:05 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: Fifer]
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True. Good points.

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#65534 - 04/01/10 03:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FirstBassman]
FrankK Offline
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Yes indeed. More than 20 years of research have gone into this software and there's nothing around that matches or even comes close.

I run numerical modelling software which is a speciality software developed by a small group of people and believe me there are always some bugs.

You have to learn to do work arounds these things. BIAB is not developed by Microsoft with literally tens of thousands working away at the software. And yet MS still have to bring out Service Pack 1, SP2 etc etc. to fix things.

Your problem is very minor, be happy with what BIAB can do and stop focusing in on one small aspect and blowing it up out of proportion, is my advice.

I'm sure you have not explored to see what BIAB CAN do. Fantastic guitar backings if your patient enough to explore.

Best wishes
F

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#65535 - 04/01/10 09:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FrankK]
FirstBassman Offline
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Your problem is very minor, be happy with what BIAB can do and stop focusing in on one small aspect and blowing it up out of proportion, is my advice.






Read my post.

It's not "one small aspect."

It's been about a dozen.

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#65536 - 04/02/10 08:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: FirstBassman]
John Conley Offline
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When you find something specific that does not work the problem should then

a) be verified.
This can be done by giving complete specifics and asking someone here who has experience in testing to verify your results.
b) once verified anyone here will tell you the normal course of action is to contact support at pgmusic daught com and let them know with specifics. You usually get an email back in 3 to 5 working days depending on what they are up to...

Given how shocked you are by all this I hope you can work things out with them and get a refund. At the same time try and get one from Microsoft, they have way more issues. Bill will drop by with a cheque, an apology and an update to windows 7 which won't work with most of you hardware. Do not hold your breath.

This title should have been:
Would someone confirm for me that the StoneZ1 Does Not play an E (sol).

Not:

The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E?

The sentence above is incomplete and Don't is not a word.
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#65537 - 04/02/10 08:56 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: John Conley]
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If the "The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E?" then "The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E!" -- don't shoot the messenger! These things are important to know about.

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#65538 - 04/02/10 09:51 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: Kemmrich]
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In that most communication is non-verbal (actually almost all of it!) and that I despise those smiley faces I had my tongue in my cheek and a grin on my stupid face.

I admit to having meds or booze change the written tone. Not to mention trying NOT to take stupid narco crap and bite my lip. Oh well....all is well, we shall all be dust sooner or later.

You never know if when someone posts in a fake accent or cracker speak if they are foolin' either eh?

So I'm taking a trip today eh? The wife and me in the Mini, she prolly hast to have all fun driving to Point Pelee, concentration is tough today.

We checked last night and I didn't glow in the dark yet so that's a good sign!
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#65539 - 04/02/10 02:32 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: John Conley]
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The 'E' chord works fine (except when it is the V chord. E5 should work fine in that case as a worksround.)

E7 doesn't work (but E9 does). (same for other 7ths chords).

That will be fixed in the next patch.
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#65540 - 04/02/10 02:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: The StoneZ1 Don't Play an E? [Re: PeterGannon]
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Thanks for the workaround and update, Peter.

John, it's very nice day for Point Pelee; have fun!
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