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#81050 - 07/29/10 04:29 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] How Come The Demos...
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all sound great, but I dont see/hear anybody being able to get the sound they produce on those demo videos. They probably take the tracks and mix them and master them in a pro studio.

They sound pretty close to real on those videos but all the stuff I hear with people using it sound like
maybe a tad above an auto arrangement you might find on a casio keyboard or something like that.

I think it's partially do to the fact that people still use midi mixed with their tracks which if you're doing covers, you probably have to do that, but I wanna hear a regular joe get the same results they are getting in those videos.


Edited by Playin In The Band (07/29/10 04:30 PM)

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#81051 - 07/29/10 06:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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PGMusic does NOT mix and master their demos in a pro studio. The people at PGMusic are honest folks.

My stuff done with BiaB sounds great.

BiaB is exactly like a musical instrument in the sense that the noob likely won't be able to create the same kind of music as someone who has practiced that instrument for years.

Still, the noob can create some mighty fine sounding stuff with the program.


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#81052 - 07/29/10 07:00 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Mac]
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I could not agree more strongly with Mac as the circuit I play has many a musician doing solo/duo acts who all use some kind of back tracks or other. With this said I am very often complimented on my/BIAB tracks as being if not the best, always at the top of the proverbial list. And these compliments also come from other musicians in my audiences. With this said I pretty much use them as them come out of the can so to speak straight from BIAB through my old computer sound-card through the PA. And oh yes, the lion's share of my arrangements are mixed midi and real tracks.

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#81053 - 07/29/10 07:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Danny C.]
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I listened to blue bayou and blue berry hill, i realize they are old songs but they sound far from real.

Your voice sounds good but the tracks sound like elevator music.

I think it's the mixing of midi, i dont hear many real tracks in there anyway.

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#81054 - 07/29/10 08:53 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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Well, to be fair, someone who has been using BiaB as long as Danny C. is likely to have songs posted that were done *before* the advent of the RealTracks. They, of course, would have to be all MIDI. And then there are those "transitional" songs that could have been created when there was only the RealDrums and later on, just a few RealTracks available. And sometimes, in order to get what they want, people still find the need to mix Realtracks with a few MIDI tracks. If you don't like MIDI, then don't use it, use only RealTracks. There are users around here who say that is all they use.


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#81055 - 07/29/10 09:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Mac]
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Well, thats what I mean, if Real tracks sound so good why is everybody still using midi which sounds horrible. and where are the great sounding demos that everybody keeps saying sound great.

I'm not being unfair to Danny, if i used all midi it would sound like muzak too.

I like BIABS potential. im just trying to see whats possible with it.

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#81056 - 07/29/10 10:06 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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#81057 - 07/29/10 10:17 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Sundance]
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RealTracks are pre-recorded phrases. You can't specify the particular notes you want to be played. You'll have to use MIDI to do that. The problem is not necessarily that it's MIDI, but the synthesizer you use to play the MIDI. Some are better than others. Of course, you'll never get exactly the same sound as a live player, but that's life.

And what the folks on the board are telling you here is that the audience is just looking for a good time with music. Most people can't tell the difference, anyway. They just want to get on the floor and dance. Let your voice carry you, or let a RealTrack soloist carry you. If you're looking for absolutely exact-sounding instruments, then join a band. Hopefully they will always play in tune and tempo, always show up for the gig, and stay comfortably in the mix (turn up my amp, it's not loud enough!), etc.
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#81058 - 07/29/10 10:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Sundance]
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All of our demos are made the normal way, which is to just use BB.

We typically spend about 5 minutes making a demo, typing in the chords (4 min) and generating the wma (1 min).

There are lots of great sounding user demos as well. Check out the off topic and user showcase forum.

Some of the user demos sound much better than ours...
E.g. Listen to forum member Carlos' recent demo here ... http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...e=1&fpart=1
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#81059 - 07/29/10 11:30 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: PeterGannon]
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carlos latin cowboy is by far the best ive heard using biab.

but it still sounds like sizzling live guitar with an electronic backing band.

The sax sounds good.

But most of the songs ive heard using BIAB sound very unexciting and ive checked everywhere!

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#81060 - 07/30/10 12:31 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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>>>But most of the songs ive heard using BIAB sound very unexciting and ive checked everywhere!

A few posts above you say the demos 'sound great', and that we must be 'mixing them in a pro studio'. Have these now become un-exciting?
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#81061 - 07/30/10 12:38 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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>>>But most of the songs ive heard using BIAB sound very unexciting and ive checked everywhere!

OK, then continue to listen to our demos, that you say sound so great that we must be specially mixing them in a pro studio. As mentioned, they aren't, that's just standard output from BB.
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#81062 - 07/30/10 12:38 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: PeterGannon]
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lol good one.

I said the companies demos sound great, but no users do.

Show me a song where the real tracks used in those demo videos sound the same.

They cannot sound like that right out of a box, they must be tweaked, otherwise everybody would be sounding great, and they're not.


Edited by Playin In The Band (07/30/10 12:39 AM)

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#81063 - 07/30/10 12:48 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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>>> They cannot sound like that right out of a box, they must be tweaked, otherwise everybody would be soudning great, and they're not.

Nope, no tweaking. Others can post their opinions, if the sound they get is the same as our demos.

In fact there are some user demos in the forum now, here's a user demo using nothing but BB tracks (all RealTracks except a BB MIDI track).
http://www.songramp.com/mod/mps/listenrm.php?Download=56698

Does this demo sound worse to you than our demos (which you call 'great')?

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#81064 - 07/30/10 12:49 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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The real sounding midi is an age old arguement, that will never end. some sounds better than others, and some worse, still the flexability of midi is outstanding. I use better synths and constantly tweak them, as it is anever ending journey. I did a cover of Johnny B. goode a few years ago and beleive it or not the guitar lead was midi and sounded very nice (for midi) http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=468247&T=1179 Listen to it, sure it sounds like midi but not that bad (cept the singing) I have done other midi leads that sound not so good. If you are going to find fault with every nuance of the process, you should take up tennis, seriously it will drive you wild.

Do you play all the instruments? If so then play everything live and do not use midi, if you are not a f instrument player then do the best you can use mid where it works, use RTs where they work, use loops where they fit, play what you can. You have to realize that midi is midi, learn to use it and where to use it, also remember that if you play live on most sound systems it all starts to sound the same after a while and no one cares.

Unexciting, that is what i hear on the radio all the time, kinda make BiaB folks in good company.
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#81065 - 07/30/10 01:23 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: PeterGannon]
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no it sounds like midi. But for Jazz fusion it works, jazz fusion has always had a touch of electronica in it.

show me a rock song, show me a pop song. and not the ones on top of the page, i listsned to thos already.

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#81066 - 07/30/10 01:26 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Robh]
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went to the page, no play when i hit play, plus johnny b goode is not on the list.

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#81067 - 07/30/10 01:28 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Robh]
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I'll tell you what PitB, let's see you make any song, demo, or jingle that sounds better than the demos here, or the songs the users make, and then you can complain, show us one song you have done that we can point to.

I have over 50 songs i have done with RB, and most of them are midi, and most have one or two RTs in them, and i use TTS, Sampletank, and a couple other synths, i work hard on them and learn something at every setting. I suggest you do the same, stop knockin it until you tried it.

I recently learn a ton about making a midi, yes the dreaded midi background vocal patch sound pretty darned good. You wanna know how i did it? hard work and effort. Feel free to jump in and produce something, that will make us take notice.
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#81068 - 07/30/10 01:43 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Robh]
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))) no it sounds like midi. But for Jazz fusion it works, jazz fusion has always had a touch of electronica in it.

It isn't jazz fusion, it is smooth jazz. If you are hearing something that sounds like MIDI, the likely explanation would be your speakers. Try listening through headphones. There aren't any MIDI tracks there except the strings.

Anyway, this is what BB sounds like. The point with that demo was to answer your request to hear a user demo that sounds like one of our demos - which I did.
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#81069 - 07/30/10 01:58 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: PeterGannon]
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My stars dude, just play all the instruments yourself, record it on a digital daw, and forget the rest. That way when your done mixing, it is what it is. Bashing PG Music won't cure your problem. Not trying to start an argument, but for all of us here, this stuff works fantastic.
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