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#81080 - 07/30/10 08:04 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: deltagolf]
Playin In The Band Offline
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sounds ok, yet not real.

too perfect of timing and not alot of brightness to it, it's dull sounding.

it's fine for a run of the mill demo, it's just it's hard enough to write a song that
is authentic, if you record it unauthentically, it's going to hurt it's overall effect

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#81081 - 07/30/10 08:24 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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o.k. - I'll take it as constructive criticism. Needs work. Brightness would be no problem - but I want to avoid going into the direction of todays modern way of mixing (a lot of extremely thin and pale sounding instruments , e.g. a strumming guitar without sound - only the actual strumming being heard). I like to keep it warm and natural. Probably vary a bit tempo and slide one or the other track a wee bit out of "click" here and there would be an idea. Thanks.
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#81082 - 07/30/10 09:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: deltagolf]
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Hi deltagolf,

I just listened to your song on Songramp. It's brilliant! I loved it. There's nothing I'd change. I thought it was happy, cheerful, skillful and mixed perfectly! An awesome job.

You should paste the link to this song in the new "User Showcase" Forum and see what others think

http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=usershowcase

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#81083 - 07/30/10 09:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Noel96]
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Hi Noel
Thank you. An unexpected heads-up from one of the masters!
Maybe I will (don't know though which one you mean). They both still need some attention to detail. Unfortunately the song details are on the "old" BIAB 2010 harddrive which I stowed away after receiving 2010.5. Therefore I don't have access to the original BIAB files right now for the details. Guess I'll have to plug it in again to retrieve the data. I usually move the wav and MIDI files to another harddrive for further processing after BIAB has done it's magic.
Thanks.
Best, Daniel
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#81084 - 07/30/10 10:14 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: deltagolf]
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Hi Daniel

You made me smile You know, I have NEVER read my name and "master" in the same sentence before! LOL. I wish!
Quote:

Maybe I will (don't know though which one you mean)



If you click on the link in my above post, it will take you to the new forum. (You can access it by clicking on "Forums" located between "Products" and "Support" on the upper most menu.) People would love to hear this song of yours! Trust me. I can already see the skid marks on MarioD's monitor that will arise when he drags your song into his keeper folder

All the best,
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#81085 - 07/30/10 11:21 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Noel96]
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Obviously the guy never looked up Oliver Gannon or Miles Black or Neil Swanson.

All major contributors and one them an award winning jazz guitarist and brother of Peter Gannon.

Walk in, bash people, and their backgrounds and say they know nothing?

As Mac said <ignore> USERIDX </ignore>
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#81086 - 07/30/10 11:50 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: John Conley]
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who bashed anyone? Who bashed anyone's background? Saying somebody's demo doesn't sound like a real band is not bashing, it's observing and giving in opinion. Doesn't mean the music sucks or the artists sucks, it just means that the backing tracks arent doing them any favors.

Sounds like you're upset with my opinion, and so u need a rallying cry of "he comes in bashes people...ill put him on ignore"

maybe you're afraid im right, and others might believe me.

I doubt they will believe me, they seem pretty darned convinced this is the the rolling stones or
mccoy tyner in a box.

Keep making me the bad guy though, it's telling.


Edited by Playin In The Band (07/30/10 11:51 AM)

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#81087 - 07/30/10 12:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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Hey, PITB -

Obviously you don't like MIDI sounds (and that would have to include any and all applications, synthesizers, keyboards, soundcards, etc. that processes MIDI). So don't use MIDI. Just because it doesn't float your boat doesn't mean others shouldn't use it. If you don't like what others have done using MIDI, don't listen to them or buy them. That's your choice. If BIAB doesn't meet your needs, then move on and find something that does.

I just don't see what you're looking for here? What's your point?
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#81088 - 07/30/10 12:55 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: jford]
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Well I thought I might find people like myself who were using biab to record their music at home.

I heard Zan's song which I thought was good, just didnt think it sounded much different than doing a sequence of decent midi files.

People keep telling me how great it is, as ive said the only thing that sounded great was the company demos. If i couild get that sound id be 70% satisified. but nobody sounds like that, and ive loooked around. it's hard to find references because people usually dont state "here is my album, everything was done in biab"

so could be more around that I cant search for

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#81089 - 07/30/10 01:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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So what i have gathered so far is that you do not think that BiaB sounds like a real live band of professional musicians right? Well no stinking duh, it isn't.

Look If you can't play anything you are stuck with midi and audio looping type technology. Sorry, but Peter Gannon can not make you a grammy winner. he gave you and the rest of us a tool. How you use it and what results you get are up to you. Most of the song and demos you are critical, of are done by amatures, beginners, and regular guys who played in a band years ago, and just love making music in the "studio/3rd bedroom" There are a few here that play out live and make backing tracks with the software. Are they as good as a 5 piece real band, no, but still good enough for the purpose. They also come with far less problems, no differences of opinion, and no drama. Some of it is very nice. There are a few that use it to record albums, not entirely in BiaB mind you but a track bed is built there, and then processed in whatever DAW one likes. BiaB was never intended as a full recording studio, it is a arragement tool. The tracks are available to use as you have the skills.

If you go back to my link (JBG was not there it is on a different page), play "together they stand" All made in BiaB with the exception of the lead guitar, and vocals. Not perfect mind you but cleanly recorded. It has flaws for sure, but not canned sounding. I mixed it in a separate program. Could it be better, sure i could learn to play the piano, and not rely on a computer to generate that track, but hey i can't, so I used what is available.

This is what everyone is talking about, start with BiaB, but learn the whole gammet of tools. Heck if you are not a musician, of any sorts you have to learn to use some kind of instrument even if that is software. There is not program you can type in chords and out pops a platinum album. It takes a lot of work, and you sitting around critcizing other work does not get it done. If this program is not for you, and you feel you can not learn it well enough, ot gain some value, move on. I have heard some good music come out of this as a basis, i have heard some clunkers as well. There are a lot of folks out there that use this that do not post music here, and many who use it as a tool to work out stuff. If you can not make decent sounding music with this program, how do you expect to make it with anything else? You said you do not play all the instruments right? Well how you gonna get there? Humanize the midi track, use efects and other techniques to make it better. It's up to you.
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#81090 - 07/30/10 01:52 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Robh]
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>>> it's hard to find references because people usually dont state "here is my album, everything was done in biab"

OK, if you're looking for "here is my album, everything was done in biab"... here ya go....

http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...true#Post214063

... and yes, this sounds better than our demos....
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#81091 - 07/30/10 02:04 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
Ian Fraser Offline
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PITB

These RT Demos sound good, probably because each RT was recorded in a professional studio - not the demos. Maybe we the users tweak too much and we should leave the RTs alone. Midi is only as good as your synth. Hardware synths better than software. Midi gives more soloist/melodist flexibility. RTs at this point in time give less flexibility. Time-wise it's faster to edit midi, longer to edit RTs. Trade-offs, trade-offs - each has their strengths.

What are your goals? Make music? The more you worry about perfection, the less gets done. Why are you worried about the sound of the demos? If you think somebody is trying to sell you the impossible dream, then nothing anybody on the forum says will ever make a difference - you are who you are and that will probably never change. The software is what it is - accept it or not - everything else is really irrelevant, or the User's challenge.

Luck - Ian


Edited by Ian Fraser (07/30/10 02:05 PM)
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#81092 - 07/30/10 02:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: PeterGannon]
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still hard to find references. He doesnt mention BIAB does he?

That's a pretty good sounding recording, really good actually, the sax sounds best which is the featured instrument sounds very big and rich.

The backing tracks also sound good, it's done well.

But you keep showing me jazz samples, this software was made with jazz and blues in mind because the music just has to follow the featured instrument.

This is a good sample but show me something with guitars and singing in the mix.

As a side note, there might be more people like me, who hear what they hear on this site and then scratch their head, you might wanna put up real examples like this and others to showcase what the program can do.

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#81093 - 07/30/10 02:32 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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This is a good sample but show me something with guitars and singing in the mix.

As a side note, there might be more people like me, who hear what they hear on this site and then scratch their head, you might wanna put up real examples like this and others to showcase what the program can do.




Good suggestion. Thanks.
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#81094 - 07/30/10 02:34 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: How Come The Demos... [Re: Playin In The Band]
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>> still hard to find references. He doesnt mention BIAB does he?

Yes, he does. Read the first line of the link ( http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...true#Post214063 ), where he says ...
"I've just recorded a CD on sax (and a bit of clarinet), using nothing but Band-in-a-box as backing"

>> As a side note, there might be more people like me, who hear what they hear on this site and then scratch their head, you might wanna put up real examples like this and others to showcase what the program can do.

Yes, a good idea, and we have added a User Showcase Forum recently.
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