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You can use a hardwear modual in Midi mode or Audio mode, the question, will there be any difference in the sound when recorded, say in to Realband other then the playing feel of midi and audio if they are both played with a controller,does one sound better then the other,thanks for any views
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I always play the right notes but not always in the right order
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Not quite following the question. Hardware module is either MIDI or Audio device with some select few able to accomplish both tasks in one box.
The important thing to understand about the use of a MIDi hardware module is that you can't do the instant Direct Render of MIDI to Audio that you can do with the DXi software MIDI solutions. Because the sound is not developed inside the realm of the host CPU in the computer, you must play back the MIDI stream through the hardware box while at the same time recording its Audio output to an Audio track.
If you get your gain staging right (usually accomplished by turning all playback faders for the MIDI device's Audio all the way UP) then it should sound the same at playback of the MIDI data or as a recorded Audio file.
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You can use a hardwear modual in Midi mode or Audio mode?
I've owned the Akai S5000 for many years, with it's combination Sampling/Midi capabilities allow for gigs without PC and ability to set up set playlists. I love sampling/midi capabilities.
Now Akai's MPC series samplers come in all shapes and sizes for hardware devotees.
• Extensive filtering functions offer 26 types of resonant 4-pole and 2-pole lowpass, bandpass, and highpass filters, and many more.
• 18-bit A-D converters with 64 x oversampling 5th order Delta Sigma.
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• Stereo, phase coherent time-stretch algorithms from Akai's own powerful DD1500 DAW allow pitch shifting and tempo matching.
• 3-band digital off-line EQ with variable gain, frequency, and Q for each band.
• 'Quickload' allows you to load sounds directly into parts for quick and easy assembly of complex multitimbral setups.
• 'Virtual Sampling' functions allows playback of long samples direct from disk.
• 64- or 128-voice polyphony allows complex multi-timbral operation and layering.
• The DOS disk format and .wav sample format allows you to hook your sampler's disk drive directly to a PC for easy access to unlimited sounds.
• The outputs can be configured as stereo pairs, individual mono outputs, or any combination.
• Reads Akai S1000 and S3000 Series sound library.
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• The 16 function keys put parameters at your fingertips — faster than a touch screen and with the reliability and tactile feedback, which only real physical keys can offer.
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Hi Mac
The VL70m is the modual you buy with the WX5 wind controller so you can play midi into the sequencer or play a Audio signal and record it into a sequencer and i wondered if there was any difference between the two inputs ,why i ask,the tascam US122 has only two line inputs so if i want to use my ketron SD2 i can`t record the audio so i would have to use the midi input which i have not tried,and i wondered if you have noticed much difference
thanks for your help
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Hi GDaddy
Thanks for your reply,when i brought my WX5 i had a choice of the AKAI wind controller and the Yamaha wind controller and got the yamaha otherwise i would have gone down th road you did as i have always wanted a Akia sampler maybe one day
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The MIDI connection only transmits/recieves data. You will not hear anything over a MIDI connection. If you only have two audio connections to the computer, you will only hear one device (left and right channel of audio)
MIDI can tell a device which note, which instrument, and when to play the note, etc. .. but it will not produce any sound on it's own. It needs a synth to make the MIDI data turn into audio sound. So if the SD2 is hooked up to the computer inputs, you will not hear the WX5 since it has no audio connection to 'hear' it. It will receive the MIDI data and try to play the sounds, but if the audio connection from that hardware module has no audio connection to the system it can not be heard.
That said, if you record the MIDI data (while playing along with the sound of the SD2 for the other tracks) then go back and send that MIDI data to the wind synth (and hook up the audio connections from that synth instead), it should play back pretty consistently. You could then hook up the audio connection from the wind controller synth and record a pretty good representation of the recorded MIDI. Sometimes better, since you can tweak the sound in the synth before finalizing the audio recording.
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Hi Rhav
Thanks for the explernation i think i understand the principles of it,i am going back to what i was doing in the first place,record the VL70m with the coyote WT playing and then i have finished play the tune with the SD2 connected, as i won`t be playing out this is the way for me to go,i was quite pleased that the coyoteWT sounds as good as it does,thanks for your help
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With "only" a single stereo channel input on the soundcard, you are limited as to what you can record simultaneously. (Use of a multiple input soundcard would allow for you to hook up two or more MIDI instruments at the same time, to different stereo channels).
However, you still can do the work with the single stereo channel input sound device.
As well as what you are doing, ie using the Coyote WT to play along with, that is likely the fastest and least confusing method.
If you want to be able to hear what the SD2 does and record or play along using another hardware synth at the same time, you have an option to first Record the output of the SD2 to a stereo audio track (don't forget to change the Audio input connection to the PC such that it is receiving the Audio output of the Ketron).
Then you can mute all those MIDI tracks and use the single Stereo Audio Track to play back what the Ketron did while you play the other synthesizer, which you should first hook up the Audio in place of the Ketron.
A small mixer would allow for faster reconnects and would not endanger your soundcard's Audio inputs from too much wear with all that plugging and unplugging. Simply connect each synth to a separate stereo input on the mixer, output of mixer to soundcard line inputs - and use the mixer's faders to bring up the Ketron for recording it to Audio track, then turn that mixer channel all the way down or mute it while bringing up the mixer channel where you've connected the Audio from your wind synth and can now hear and record that instead.
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Hi Mac
Thanks for the reply i will give that a go
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My Yamaha Audiogram will allow both midi and audio capture at the same time with my midi keyboard. RB will ask if I want to save audio data to next track when recording a midi patch. The audio is recorded as played, so you get whatever feel you have recorded etc, no tweaking the data vs midi post record.
I usually keep the "pad" type patches as audio and add audio Fx etc . . . works great for pads and string parts.
You could keep both audio and midi then change your midi patch to something different to see what it sounds like.
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