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Bob, That turned out great, nice job. Really nice tone on the steel guitar. It doesn't get any more country than that!  Greg
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Hey Greg... Thanks man. Just wanted to let everyone hear how this came out. The steel player is Steve Hinson, a well-known Nashville sideman. PGM did well to get him to play steel for them on RTs. Excellent choice. Actually I'm probably going to have a local steel player create a new original track for this song and we may put it on a new album of original "old time country" we're working on titled "Smokey Bars and Steel Guitars." Stay tuned. How's things in GJ? Thanks for listening,  Bob
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Bob,
you nailed it! Nothing but praise for this one!
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This is great, Hawgly! I loved it. Great old-school country.
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John and Pat... Thanks guys. Glad you enjoyed it. Onward and upward  Bob
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I really like this track Bob. You did a heck of a nice job on it.
The new form though, is tripping me up just a bit. I had some time tonight and rather than just write what I mean, I put on my producer hat and worked out what I think might be a better form to consider. Listen to it- let it wash over ya for a bit. Either way though, this is one heck of a great tune. Very enjoyable! And I hope you don't mind that I took the leap with this. It's your song- I called it your song. I have or want absolutely no inclusion of rights to anything about the song, be it audio or lyric arrangement. Let this serve as a published declaration. I write that disclaimer because the power of audio editing can be quite a scary thing. But I mean it only to be an audible cut for an example.
I'm editing this and taking out the link until you say whether you're ok with me posting the audio Bob.
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Hey Dan... Your work is always top notch and your input is always welcomed. I'm honored that you took some time to think about this and actually create a new form for the song. The original song was too short, only a little over two minutes. Basically VERSE, CHORUS, VERSE, CHORUS and out. The new form was VERSE, VERSE, CHORUS, (instrumental)VERSE, VERSE, CHORUS and out. We added the instrumental verse, and a vocal verse, resulting in a full minute increase in song length to about 3:30. So very straight forward and simple form. So I'm kinda confused about what you said was tripping you up. Anyway, your recreation was the same up through the instrumental VERSE, and then you created a 6 line final CHORUS using the original final CHORUS with two lines from the new VERSE in the middle of it. Is this what you intended? It seems "unbalanced" now compared to the first part of the song thru the instrumental. I know you know what the hell your doing, I think I might not be seeing it right. I'll do some more listening. And once again I'm really pleased you thought enough of the project to bother with it. You da man, Bob
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HAHA! I guess I'll post it again. You must have missed my edit where I took it down. I started feeling weird about doing that. Anyway yes- very little changed. I did only this- Added cymbals and a kick drum in the intro After the instrumental, I went to the bridge, then to the last new verse and cut in what came from the end of the songs lyrics. Of course, lyrically it may not be exactly right since cutting it together, but this is the form I'm hearing. Either way it works and I think you hit this one just great Bob. Here's that link if you want to listen more. http://www.songramp.com/mod/mps/listenrm.php?Download=56902Dan
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It’s all been said.
A professional vocal, backing tracks and mix. You have a fantastic voice. You should be on the Grand Ol’ Opera!
Great song!
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It’s all been said.
A professional vocal, backing tracks and mix. You have a fantastic voice. You should be on the Grand Ol’ Opera!
Great song!
Hey Mario...thanks so much. Glad you enjoyed it. I have too many teeth to be an Opry star. LOL But thanks for the vote of confidence.
Liddle-ol-lady-who!
Bob
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Ive listened to both cuts and I have to say the input by you shockwave seems quite good and I couldnt fault the balance of the song using the bridge after the instrumental break. Even though the intro was just kick drum and cymbals for me it worked quite well and introduced the start of the song much better.Anyway thats the way I see it and hope thats ok.Thanks Frankie
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Hi Bob,
I really like the sound you get with this song.
Very crisp (I don't know how to describe it in musical terms but it isn't insipid or weak)
I for one would like to learn how you do that (although I know a home recording will have it's limitations as opposed to a studio)
I agree with everyone that this is a very good country song.
Keep em' comin'
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Hi Bob,
I really like the sound you get with this song.
Very crisp (I don't know how to describe it in musical terms but it isn't insipid or weak)
I for one would like to learn how you do that (although I know a home recording will have it's limitations as opposed to a studio)
I agree with everyone that this is a very good country song.
Keep em' comin'
Best regards
Michee
Michee...this song WAS done on a home recording system. The BIAB tracks, which is everything except the vocal, was created on a Dell laptop running Reaper ($40). The key, to me anyway, is a good mic and the tenacity to keep recording until you get as close to the perfect take as possible before beginning to mix and master. The mic I used for vocals was a Rode NTK, about $500 at Musicians Friend. I did TEN vocal takes of the song and took the best performance of each line of the lyric and cut and pasted them to get as close as possible to a perfect take. The vocal was recorded with Sonar Producer using a Mackie Onyx firewire mixer as an audio interface (about $900). Perhaps because I know what "commercial studio" recordings sound like as compared to "home studio" recordings it's easier to create a similar outcome. I really believe it's totally possible to create pro quality music on a home system given the gear that's available these days. I wouldn't hesitate to use BIAB and a home system to create a full CD project for sale to the public. Things have gotten that good for we singer/songwriter types. If you have any specific questions about our recording process let me know. There are no big secrets here.
Thanks for listening,
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Dan and Frankie... While I normally welcome recommendations and comments, you guys are missing the point completely. This song was meant as a recreation of classic country musical compositions of the day back in the early '50s. And it meets that goal quite well. Apparently PGM spent a lot of time analyzing the sound of "classic country" tunes when creating the style used for this song. Particularly, notice the use of NON-PEDAL steel guitar as opposed to pedal steel used in much later country styles. Before I wrote this song I went back and listened to over 40 of Hank's songs and analyzed the song structure and the "language" used in creating the lyrics. This music was SIMPLE. The instrumentation was SIMPLE. The language was SIMPLE (and coloquial). The lyrical phrases were trite, unsophisticated, and overused to be sure...but NOT for the time in which they were written. The song forms were predictable and the use of a sophisticated BRIDGE which we are so used to seeing in modern country music was practically non-existent. The "chorus" of this song as I've written it actually incorporates as much of a "bridge" as was used in that era, namely the use of the 2 chord, D in this case. Two perfect examples of what I'm talking about is Hank's "Your Cheatin' Heart" and "I Can't Help It If I'm Still In Love With You." So even though it's very tempting to want to "update" this old style of music using a more modern structure, etc.,that was not my intention here. Actually, I'm completely capable of writing using modern structure styles, and have presented numerous examples on this forum. But once again that wasn't the goal here. So all that being said...why not just enjoy the song for what it is, and consider that not every project presented on the User Forum is soliciting a critique...and I mean that in a good way. Bob
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Mmmm I got the message if its just for listening and not giving a critique then thats fine with me but that would include whether I liked your song or not and with that stand point I wont input one way or another in the future OK.Just a thought most people who put up songs do it I believe to get a response. If you are only accepting those who "just enjoy the song for what it is" then so be it.Frankie
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Hi Bob,
Am I the Dan you're referring to? I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. In fact, I took your cue saying you were happy that I took an interest. I'll take the song down. I'm not sure what you mean about a modern bridge or structure compared to anything else. All I felt was that coming out of the solo, maybe going to the bridge would work well. That's not modern compared to anything else. It's just a choice. I think you have an absolutely wonderful song. But I felt that it got just a little drawn out coming out of the solo to another verse, then to a bridge, then to the final chorus. I understand studying the older songs. That's a good thing. But then you have to balance that with the song that's before you, and how it's unfolding. Being into producing as well, I think about everything when it comes to an overall production and simply flip things around to see if it's working the best it can. That's not modern- that's servicing the song. But you're right too. Once a song is posted, it becomes a drag to have to field criticism all the time. Been there. When the writer says it done, it's done. I'm probably the culprit with all this. I'm used to a different kind of forum where writers go back and forth about things. I think from now on here, I'm just gonna hold my tongue and say nice song, or not comment at all.
So Bob- nice song!
Dan
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Frankie and Dan, you old culprit ...no feathers ruffled here. Seriously. I was just explaining my methodology. Although, Dan, you're right about criticism after-the-fact being a drag...and sort of meaningless. To me, the User Showcase isn't necessarily a forum for unsolicited critical analysis, although some folks actually ASK for input. And like you, I have other resources for professional critique, like TAXI.com, where I'm a member. Believe me those guys KNOW how to tear up a song, but their critiques have to be requested. So it's just as you said...we all have our ways of doing things. And though I haven't been here long, I've been registered since '03, it appears that unsolicited critical analysis is sort of assumed here. Personally, I don't offer advice and alternatives to anyone who's not asking for it. Other folks do. That's their option. No biggie. If I don't particularly like someone's work, I don't comment at all. I think everyone's work is valid within the framework of their abilities and experience. But I'll say this, anyone offering me a critique can expect to have their "critique critiqued" if I think it's warranted. It's a two-way street. So, Frankie, I don't expect to only hear the "positive" comments, but if I don't agree with what's said, I'm totally competent and willing to take issue with it. BTW...as we all know after years of dealing with email, it's very difficult to determine "body language" when one is reading a message. We have to rely on this or this  . My messages are often tongue-in-cheek and my written attempts at humor and irony are sometimes mistaken for "ruffled feathers" when it's really nothing of the sort. Don't you just love that we have such lively and spirited interaction here? It's so...stimulating! So now maybe I'M the culprit. Later, Bob
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Taxi, yes. I was member some four years ago. Too much bread for a middle man critiquing. They never told me anything I don't already know about my work. I could sit and crtique at taxi all day long. I was and I am past needing to pay for that. It's a decent concept, a great community, and a money maker too- let's face it. After a year or so I dropped out. I don't have that kind of yearly budget any longer. Currently cultivating contacts on my own.
All good Bob! And best of luck to you too!
Dan
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Hi Bob,
I thoroughly enjoyed the listen! In my opinion, all aspects of the song are as professional as they come. You've got a terrific voice. I've got to say that this is one of the best re-creations of period music that I have heard. There's definitely a place in the right film for this song.
All the best,
Noel
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