|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3
Newbie
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3 |
I'm not new to music or computers but this program just stumps me. i want to create a jazz guitar backing track in Bflat. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to enter a Bflat7/13 chord. the chord builder doesn't seem to list one and If I choose the 7 it wont let me choose the 13 in addition. when I try to enter it from the keyboard iget nowhere as well. I looked in the index under entering chords and all it gives is how to use a midi keyboard.
Q. where can I find a list of keyboard entry conventions, for ex. how to get a Bflat [ what key makes 'flat'] or if I do a 7 13 does the 13 go in parenthesis?
overhwhelmed in indiana, Kaeote
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,402
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,402 |
Quote:
I'm not new to music or computers but this program just stumps me. i want to create a jazz guitar backing track in Bflat. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to enter a Bflat7/13 chord. the chord builder doesn't seem to list one and If I choose the 7 it wont let me choose the 13 in addition. when I try to enter it from the keyboard iget nowhere as well. I looked in the index under entering chords and all it gives is how to use a midi keyboard.
Q. where can I find a list of keyboard entry conventions, for ex. how to get a Bflat [ what key makes 'flat'] or if I do a 7 13 does the 13 go in parenthesis?
overhwhelmed in indiana, Kaeote
I don't typically weight in on these "fancy chords", there are some resident experts 
But looks to me like you want a dominate 7th with the 13th - the dominate 7th is implied so you would simply typle "Bb13" - does this give you what you want? 
Check out the Index in the help memu and type Chord Entry.
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 18,884
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 18,884 |
Hi kaeote,
I'm not quite sure that I understand the notation you are using. It seems to be a hybrid format. Do you mean a Bb7 with added 13th (that is, Bb-D-F-Ab-G) or do you mean a Bb13 (Bb-D-F-Ab-C-Eb-G)? In many situations, Bb13 is played using characteristic notes as Ab-D-G over a Bb bass. What notes were you wanting the chord to play?
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,616
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,616 |
I believe the 13 implies the 7. Try Bb13.
You probably missed the other chords available in the Chord Builder. There is a dropdown box there that has many more chords. It is a the bottom center just above the Play button.
For keyboard shortcuts, check the manual under 'Keyboard Shortcuts' pg 321. For a chord list, pg 532. There are also available in the BIAB Help.
R
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,814
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,814 |
The way you have this written, Bb7/13, indicates you want a Bb7 chord with the 13th as the bass. So you would enter that as Bb7/G. If this is not the chord then your choices are Bb7 or Bb13. I do not believe you can use the chord Bb7add13 in BiaB with out using a sequencer and adding the G, but I’m not at my music computer to check that out.
I hope this helps.
Last edited by MarioD; 11/07/10 06:58 AM.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,402
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,402 |
Quote:
....there are some resident experts
What did I tell you?  Oh and by the why welcome to the Forum
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 479
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 479 |
Hi kaeote and welcome to BAIB and the forum. No better topic around here than cipherin' chords. If this is your biggest newbie problem, you're doing pretty good. First, to be clear, I suggest you spell out exactly what you want. I think by Bb7/13 you want Bb D F Ab G (no 9th or 11th). It looks like the chord builder does not have that explicit spelling, and when I play Bb D F Ab G on my keyboard and ask BIAB wghat I played, it says Bb13. And when I play Bb D F Ab C G ist says the same. So if that is what you want, you may have to take the 9th with it. Do check out the chord builder so see all the variations.
I think it is not the case that a Bb7/13 indicates you want a Bb7 chord with the 13th in the base . We (and BIAB) use what are called slash chords, and if you wanted the 13 in the base you specify Bb7/G. That could be called a Gm7b9. A Bb13 would technically be Bb D F Ab C Eb G, although the Eb (11th) is usually omitted.
So - spell out your chord for us and someone will give you best BIAB answer.
Regards,
kelso
Dell Desktop XPS 8100 W10 HomePrem/64 / Core i5 760 (quad, 2.8GHz) / 8GB DDR3 / 1 TB SATA / ViewSonic VG2428wm / EMU1616 PCI / Event ASP6 Active Monitors / BIAB 2019 64 bit (609) / Cakewalk
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 317
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 317 |
I guess I'll add what I know about this subject. If we are talking about creating a Bb13th chord, then my understanding of chord structure is that the dominant 7th must be stated somewhere when playing the 13th note, otherwise what you are playing is a Bb6th. Normally any of the 9ths, 11ths, and 13ths should have the dominate 7th heard somewhere to "legitimze" the chord, although as a guitar player I have played a simple 6th chord and gotten away with it. When creating some of those chords that require 10 fingers on the fretting hand, I build from a "shell" chord (root, 3rd,7th) many times leaving out the root if there is another instrument (bass) playing that note. A Bb7/13 chord although unusually noted, would as others have stated be a Bb dominant 7th with a G in the bass. Hope this helps. DennisD
PS to John C thanks for noticing my 100th post
There are only 3 kinds of musicians: those that can count, and those that can't!
PC AMD A4-5300 APU 3.4 GHz, 8gb RAM, 1T HDD, Windows 10,
Reaper 4.77, BIAB2018, PTPA12, RB2018, Roland VS-880 DAW
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,402
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,402 |
Quote:
PS to John C thanks for noticing my 100th post
Dennis, you have to let people now - don't be shy 100 is a milestone  . At 1000 you get to join the private club, secret handshakes and prizes
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867 |
Kaeote, you asked how to write a flat in BIAB. It's lowercase B on the keyboard.
All the rest has been explained well, but I'll just add a quick tip for anyone reading this thread: When you talk about intervals above an octave, just subtract 7 to find the pitch. A 9th is the same as a 2, an 11th a 4, and a 13th is the same pitch as a 6.
From your last sentence, it does appear that you are looking for a Bb7 add 13. As mentioned, BIAB does not support this. If indeed as Mario noticed, you write a slash root format, you will get the 13th in the bass, as in Bb13/G.
Again for anyone who might not know, a 13th chord has a distinctive sound because it has both the 6th and 7th, which are a half-step apart (although voicing the 6th as a 13th puts it up a major seventh over the dominant seventh, so it does not sound as dissonant). And I concur that a 13th implies not only that the dominant 7th is present, but also the 9th and often the 11th.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,800
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,800 |
Club!??! Secret handshake??!!? Presents!!! No one told me! 
Lenovo Win 10 16 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2022, Realband, Harrison Mixbus 32c version 9.1324, Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app, Komplete 49 key controller.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 928
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 928 |
Quote:
Matt Finley
And I concur that a 13th implies not only that the dominant 7th is present, but also the 9th and often the 11th.
I respectfully disagree.
Since I only have five fingers on my hand,  I consider a 13th chord to be a triad or dominant chord with only the 13th added.
Though an extended version 13th could have the 9th or 11th added.
And Wikipedia agrees with me:
A thirteenth chord is the stacking of six thirds, the last being above the 11th of an eleventh chord[1]. Thus a thirteenth chord is a tertian (built from thirds) chord containing the interval of a thirteenth, and is an extended chord if it includes the ninth and/or the eleventh. "The jazzy thirteenth is a very versatile chord and is used in many genres."[2] Since 13th chords tend to become unclear or confused with other chords when inverted they are generally found in root position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,402
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,402 |
Quote:
Club!??! Secret handshake??!!? Presents!!! No one told me!
Robh, check your spam folder, I'm sure you qualify.. Don't you see all those invites and free stuff there?
Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,656
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,656 |
Every book on arranging I've seen indicates that jazz terminology reads an interval in a chord name larger than a 8th to imply the 7th is present. I'm not sure even Wikipedia agrees with you: Quote:
A thirteenth chord is the stacking of six thirds
By my reckoning, that "stack of six thirds" contains a 7th. (Actually, the way the quote reads, it looks like someone edited two different ideas together).
For particular voicings you'll often drop notes. Since the 11th (not the ♯11th) clashes with the 3rd, so it's often dropped from the chord. And if you're voicing for four horns, you'll obviously have to drop out a couple of notes (typically, the root and the 11th), but still try to retain the flavor of the 13th chord. But even here, you'll almost always try to retain the 3rd and 7th - even if you drop the 13th.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 928
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 928 |
Quote:
Every book on arranging I've seen indicates that jazz terminology reads an interval in a chord name larger than a 8th to imply the 7th is present.
Jazz? Us folksy blues guys know nothin' about no Jazz.
As a matter of fact, I think the only song I've ever come across that had a chord with an interval above the 7th was "Spooky" which, as I recall, had a 13th chord in it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spooky_(classic_song)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,656
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,656 |
As a counter-example, consider the "9" chord, has an added 7th, and an "add2" chord, which doesn't (despite editors continually writing "9" chords where they should be putting "add2"). Similarly, a "sus4" chord doesn't have a 7th, but a 11 chord does. As for "jazz" vs. "blues", I thought the rule was that blues only uses chords up to a 7th. Anything higher than that - in any musical genre - and it's automatically "jazz." Speaking of Spooky, don't forget the intro to Carole King's Only Love Is Real. Great song, but the intro is... Spooky.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,867 |
And the Wikipedia home page gives this definition:
"Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit."
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,814
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 20,814 |
Quote:
As for "jazz" vs. "blues", I thought the rule was that blues only uses chords up to a 7th. Anything higher than that - in any musical genre - and it's automatically "jazz."
Not really. A lot of blues use a 9th chord, "Stormy Monday" to name just one.
Also a lot of jazz blues use the 13th, but is that jazz or blues? I call it blues.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
It is not a hardfast rule at all.
Typically, the caveat, "with taste" should be followed.
Which to me means, if it works, then you can do it.
And if it doesn't work, then by all means don't do it again.
Then there is the beginning Hammond Organ player who tries to make *every* dominant chord a full 13th stack, close harmony...
That is bad taste at its finest.
But give a hard listen to the man who plays rhythm guitar behind BB sometime - AND his keyboardist.
Some complex feces goin' on there.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,656
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,656 |
Quote:
Not really. A lot of blues use a 9th chord, "Stormy Monday" to name just one.
Of course, you're right. It's just another "humor fail" on my part. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums66
Topics81,620
Posts735,183
Members38,518
| |
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean