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#95208 - 12/05/10 04:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: malevans]
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Yes, you are in reality deleting some of your realtracks. Only because you don't need them anymore.

This is why the suggestion to 'back them up' keeps coming up. You will likely never need them again; but if you are worried about it or if something goes wrong, it would take a while to download and start over. So back them up and reduce them afterwards. Always good to have a backup anyway.
That said, my 100 gig of realtreacks is now 30+ gig. That' a lot of savings.
If I wanted to go back and use them on a system that has BiaB2009 I would be in trouble (since it doesn't have the intelligence to use the new format). So I would need the backups.

For use on an an every day basis it is a great feature.
I don't plan on going back to 2009, but backing them up gives me that option.
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#95209 - 12/05/10 04:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Matt Finley]
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I need help please.

Ok, I just dl'd the new 2011 BB/RB but have not yet dl'd any new RT's. I have been running 2010 on my c drive but I have BB/RB 2010 with all my existing RT's also backed up on the usb drive they came on.

So I could go ahead and shrink my existing real tracks and see if my old computer can handle the new way right? I'm still using my Compaq Presario AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 2.41 ghz running XP sp 3.

My other question is how do I know how much cpu it's using - where do I look?

Thanks ya'll.
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#95210 - 12/05/10 04:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Sundance]
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CPU usage CTL ALT DEL at the same time and watch or check the thing while pressing play after loading an all Realtracks style.
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#95211 - 12/05/10 04:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: John Conley]
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Josie, Peter Gannon specifically advised that users of older laptops running under Windows XP may not want to erase those +/- files. However, yes, since you have backed them up, you could try it and see if it worked. I would first take a very careful look at the files and make sure you will be able to recognize what got deleted and what therefore would need to be put back.
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#95212 - 12/05/10 04:40 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Matt Finley]
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Matt,
It's a tower not a laptop - does that make any difference?
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#95213 - 12/05/10 04:44 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Sundance]
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Yes, Josie, somewhat. The laptops generally have a slower hard drive and throttled-down CPU routines, so they would be worse candidates for eliminating the +/- files.

I'm not as familiar with AMD specs; I use only Intel boards and CPUs, dating back to the days when some music programs only ran on Intel chips. Perhaps someone here like rharv can comment more on how powerful your machine may be, relatively speaking.
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#95214 - 12/05/10 04:49 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Matt Finley]
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Make a backup copy of the original Realtracks folder and then give it a try.

Works fine here, both on laptop and desktop, both older AMD II driven, running XP SP3.

The caveats are there beause there are lots of slower machines out there in the world running XP (or 2000, or...).



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#95215 - 12/05/10 04:56 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Mac]
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Thank you Mac, Matt, and John.


Edited by Sundance (12/05/10 04:57 PM)
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#95216 - 12/05/10 05:13 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Sundance]
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In RealTrack Preferences, if the Use +/- RealTracks box is not checked, you are using the new engine. Performance will be equivalent to deleting the +/- file. If no problems, it is 'safe' to delete the +/- files.

Again, make sure you have a backup

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#95217 - 12/05/10 05:36 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Rachael]
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Thanks Rachael. That makes it easy to try it out.
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#95218 - 12/05/10 05:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Sundance]
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At times if I have "fast generation" checked I'll have dropouts. Not always. I just leave it checked and see what happens. It appears that if you get a style close to the tempo you'll have no issues of course this sort of defeats the purpose somewhat. Nice to use a 120 BPM style on an 85 BPM song.Just uncheck "fast generation"

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#95219 - 12/05/10 06:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: silvertones]
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Everybody, take another look at Rachael's post, 3 above. This is an elegant and simple way to test whether you should delete the +/- files. I think that box was unchecked by default in the early versions of 2011, and has remained so. Would someone who just purchased 2011 please verify that the box comes unchecked by default?
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#95220 - 12/05/10 07:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Matt Finley]
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+1 on what Rachael posted.

like Matt says,


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#95221 - 12/05/10 09:22 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: Sundance]
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Good eye rachael


Edited by rharv (12/05/10 09:24 PM)
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#95222 - 12/05/10 09:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Shrinking RealTracks [Re: rharv]
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The Use +/- RT's was unchecked be default on my new install of BIAB 2011. I do not yet have the Real Tracks (hopefully Wednesday or Thursday, Tuesday would be awesome) but I am deleting the old +/- files away. I've recovered 57GB of space.

Now, let's see if they work.

And, yes they do work, very well, even without the new RTs.

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