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#99509 - 12/29/10 02:02 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: John Conley]
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Interesting and multi-faceted discussion. Personally I would not help anyone hack software or movies or recordings, and it lowers my opinion of a person when I see that they use hacked materials. I bought my first copy of BIAB years ago and have bought all updates since. It was a very inexpensive program originally, but has gotten more spendy (as they say here in Oregon) as it has gotten better over time. As a Macintosh user I thought for a while that usable development for me had come to an end, but the current form is great and very usable. My main software, Digital Performer, uses an i-lok key for registration and security and I have only experienced minor problems with that. Almost all these companies (BIAB, MOTO, CUBASE, ETC. and even ADOBE-photoshop, have gone to yearly and semi-yearly updates to generate a steady income stream that enables continuation and development of their programs.

I have a different opinion concerning song copyrights, the original laws were intended to protect usage for 20-30 years but vested interests (relatives and publishers) have continually lobbied congress to extend these copyrights for what seems like perpetuity. Of course, countries like China and others have no such laws and no uniform court and legal system of enforcement. So as the economy goes global such things are even more clouded.

Regarding online aliases. I think people should be required to register under their own names, and avatars etc. should only be for fantasy and dating sites where it makes sense. They have done this at the JUST PLAIN FOLKS website just by request of the founder and the spam has decreased and the courtesy level has increased.

As to political correctness, humor is one thing and mean-spiritedness is another. Usually but not always it's possible to tell the difference. Also as our world and awareness changes we have to change to. Often humor is used to mask or fears and dislike of a group. There was a rash of French jokes when they didn't want to join in the Iraq War. I hear a lot of Muslim jokes and towel-head jokes and comments which I don't think are funny. But you also hear Irish telling Irish jokes etc. So it's the context and the perceived intent (humor or denigration) that makes a difference. Some people are just not aware that making jokes about mental and physical handicaps is a thing of the past. If you go to a Comedy Club you check your political correctness at the door (for the most part) but if you want to post up Uncle Bobs joke that got a laugh at the bar you may get an earful of PC in return.
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#99510 - 12/30/10 08:47 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: John Conley]
Sandra Sherman Offline
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Well I might have a different view about this subject, so here it is.

As a teacher for jazz guitar I get confrontated with students owning illegal copies of BIAB on a regular basis. The point is: they usually have very old copies, like BIAB 10 or 12, usually PRE-Realtracks.
When I turn on my computer and we practice along with the newest version of BIAB they go "WOW" all the time. "That sounds completely different than what I have, how do you do that"? Then I tell them that these are Realtracks, played by Real pro musicians and I tell them the PGmusic website adress, where they usually buy the stuff then.

I think PGmusic has a great tactic with copy-protection etc. EVER SINCE THE REALTRACKS GOT THAT HUGE, PEOPLE CAN´T DOWNLOAD FROM TORRENTS OR FILESHARING SYSTEMS ANYMORE. That`s why they only have real old versions or new versions without Realtracks. Nobody downloads 80GB from a torrent not knowing if they get the parts all together, if it is offered at all. In this matter I think the stolen Software is like a Demo which helps pirates getting in touch with a programm they usually start buying months or years later.

I think that`s why PGmusic doesn`t have a copyprotection. They just don`t need it, they convince us with quality. If you want the Realtracks you need to buy it anyway. So I congrat PGmusic for their decicion (I know its a money issue also to put a copyprotection on;-) not to bother us with USB dongles, register licencing like Adobe, which never works and you have to have a stolen serial to make the legal bought copy work again, or other unnessecary stuff like that.

I tell my students to buy it and they do, cause they hear how good it is. I also have a link with a recommondation from my website. Man, i should get paid for the advertising, LOL.

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#99511 - 12/30/10 01:20 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: Sandra Sherman]
Pat Marr Offline
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I think PGmusic has a great tactic with copy-protection etc. EVER SINCE THE REALTRACKS GOT THAT HUGE, PEOPLE CAN´T DOWNLOAD FROM TORRENTS OR FILESHARING SYSTEMS ANYMORE. That`s why they only have real old versions or new versions without Realtracks. Nobody downloads 80GB from a torrent not knowing if they get the parts all together, if it is offered at all. In this matter I think the stolen Software is like a Demo which helps pirates getting in touch with a programm they usually start buying months or years later.

I think that`s why PGmusic doesn`t have a copyprotection. They just don`t need it, they convince us with quality. If you want the Realtracks you need to buy it anyway. So I congrat PGmusic for their decicion (I know its a money issue also to put a copyprotection on;-) not to bother us with USB dongles, register licencing like Adobe, which never works and you have to have a stolen serial to make the legal bought copy work again, or other unnessecary stuff like that.

Sandra




excellent point, Sandra. ALthough I'm sure some die-hard pirates WOULD take time to download the whole thing. But the size probably does slow down the efforts of most casual pirates. I have friends from Peru who tell me that there you can buy warez at the mall! The kiosk has a computer set up and they copy from their stash to CD as the customer waits... but even in that case, they wouldn't make much money filling up a huge number of CDs or providing a USB drive at pirate prices...

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#99512 - 12/30/10 02:19 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: Pat Marr]
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Good point, however you know that down the line some hacker will break up those 80 gigs into manageable pieces that can be downloaded. They’ll probably separate the program from the RT’s and divide them into smaller DLs. I just wish these hackers would put their expertise to better use!

I have never known anyone who pirates software actually go out and buy it. After all they got it free. Pirates could care less about integrity and/or whether or not a company goes out of business. Look what they have done to the CD industry!

For the record I do not have any pirated software on any our computers. Nor do I have any illegally Dled music. I’m a firm believer against that. If I suspect that anyone asking a question is a pirate I will not respond.

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#99513 - 12/30/10 03:21 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: MarioD]
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I'm thinking there is more of a likelyhood that a pirate would burn copies for his friends, more often than buy the program. I'm sure there are exceptions.


The steady stream of improvements keeps PGMusic ahead of the game.
The steady stream of new technology makes old versions obsolete pretty quickly too.


I can't honestly say I don't have any cracked software, but the single one I have was sent to me by the company I originally bought it from (when their agreement with iLock terminated.. and they couldn't get me a response for it when I re-installed Windows)
So I don't feel like I pirated anything; I actually paid for it first!
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#99514 - 12/30/10 05:25 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: rharv]
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I can't honestly say I don't have any cracked software, but the single one I have was sent to me by the company I originally bought it from (when their agreement with iLock terminated.. and they couldn't get me a response for it when I re-installed Windows)
So I don't feel like I pirated anything; I actually paid for it first!




This is sort of what I meant when I mentioned LETTER OF THE LAW vs SPIRIT OF THE LAW

The spirit of most laws is to protect the rights of somebody. For example, a stop sign exists so people won't threaten the safety of somebody by driving through a busy intersection. But the logic gets muddy at 3 am when there's nobody on the road and you pull up to a stop sign on an icy hill. Do you stop because the letter of the law says stop? Or do you honor the spirit of the law, knowing that driving through a deserted intersection at 3 am puts nobody in danger? (I like to think that the anal retentive types will stop anyway, but the rational thinkers will proceed cautiously. But for the record, even at 3 am the police will give you a ticket if you fail to stop. Don't ask how I know this)

Likewise for downloaded music. In the past you bought lots of albums. The copyright law allowed you to make a backup of the music you bought... but there was no convenient media with which to make your backup. So, if you're like most people, you bough the same music multiple times on different media.

If you later downloaded somebody else's MP3 backup of a song you already bought 4 times on vinyl, 8 track , cassette and CD, are you a pirate? By the letter of the law, yes... but by the spirit of the law you are accessing a backup of the song that you already bought, and you are entitled to have a backup by law. The law doesn't say you had to be the person who burned the backup.

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#99515 - 12/30/10 06:00 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: Pat Marr]
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spirit of the law--- continued


This is basically the same discussion as whether it is better to get married or shack up. The answer you get will depend on how the person views the laws, and how they balance the topics of accountability to others vs. personal liberty


There is no law against knowing what you want and buying it up front

But it raises eyebrows if you experiment, then commit to it later (either because you like it or because you feel guilty)

case most likely to make you guilty by law or by public opinion is to use the merchandise indefinitely without paying for it

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#99516 - 01/04/11 07:31 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: Sandra Sherman]
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EVER SINCE THE REALTRACKS GOT THAT HUGE, PEOPLE CAN´T DOWNLOAD FROM TORRENTS OR FILESHARING SYSTEMS ANYMORE. That`s why they only have real old versions or new versions without Realtracks.




Sorry Rachael, not true or maybe partially true. I went to just one of many BitTorrent sites my assistant showed me and entered "band in a box" and up popped 2010.5 in about 5 seconds, there were a bunch of old versions too and further down the list was a 12G file of Real Drums. 12-15G is the size of one season of a TV series in HD like the Sopranos or Lost. He's told me he can set that up before he goes to bed and it's done in the morning. I didn't see any RT's but I'm pretty sure if I were to really try, maybe get him involved we would find them. One thing occurred to me though. These sites are primarily used by young people. They're not interested in jazz, country, Irish folksongs, classic rock, accordians and the like. If it's not grunge, hip hop and loops they could care less and as soon as they try Biab and realize it's for mostly serious musicians, they probably just blow it off. There's some who really use it but I'll bet it's a small percentage of the kids who download it without knowing what it is.

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#99517 - 01/08/11 03:02 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: John Conley]
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How often do you say, 'contact customer support' and then eventually the user gets it sorted out with a little help from an aider or abetter?







John,

Just for the record I am 1,000 percent against stealing anything ... software or otherwise.

And I have paid for every single PGM product I use (many times over).

But I will also add that, in my experience, members of this forum know the BiaB software much, much better than anyone I have ever spoken to at "customer support."

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#99518 - 01/08/11 04:40 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: FirstBassman]
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But I will also add that, in my experience, members of this forum know the BiaB software much, much better than anyone I have ever spoken to at "customer support."





I doubt that the forum folks know more than the support folks... but the forum folks are working in their free time, and therefore we have a much more leisurely opportunity to consider a question, play with it a while to see what's up, try some things, then shoot back an informed response. And we can choose to answer only the questions we already know the answer to, or not reply at all.

Whereas the paid support person is probably dealing with multiple complicated scenarios at the same time... every single day.


Edited by Pat Marr (01/08/11 04:57 PM)

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#99519 - 01/08/11 05:06 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: Pat Marr]
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I suspect support is very busy with people who don't understand their computers, operating systems, terminology, and often, music itself.

I shudder at the thought.

Ah, I plugged the black thing in somewhere's here but thars nuttin happenin.

"What does it say on your screen?"

Ah, Toe she ba.

"Where does it say that?"

Right where I'm a readin' it.

OK, does a menu come up?

Whats a menu?

Does it want to load the DVD?

DVD? I'm not watching a movie..man..it's the box band. My son got it and this puter for me at Christmas!

What operating system?

Silence..

Is it xp? Vista? Windows 7?

How would I know?

It's one of those lap tops, but it's on my desk, should I plug it in now?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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#99520 - 01/11/11 07:37 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Thieves and Band in a Box [Re: John Conley]
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I have 'stumbleupon'. I use it for an hour or so every day. Music sites, philosophy, Linux, software development.

Yesterday it served up another file share thing. Showed band in a box 2010.5, all of it. Just download it. Then hang out here for free support.

It's time for a serial number. Not to enter, but when pgmusic finds someone who bought and is giving away say 2010.5 for Mac, which I saw on there a bunch of times, they can check who's it was and send a lawyer after them. Or go after the service that is doing the distribution. In my experience those companies pull the links when confronted.
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PG Music News
RealBand 2018 Build 5 Update Available!

RealBand 2018 customers can download the latest free patch update here: http://www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#2018_5

Summary of Changes for Build 5
Added: When generating the input file for saving as an MGU/SGU SongMode128= is saved to the input file.
Added: Localization support for 2018.
Added: flyby hints to new dialogs.
Fixed: Save As with a filename greater than 128 chars could cause an error 123 plus access violation.
Fixed: Rebooting RealBand after a filename with 128 chars was saved could cause an access violation.
Fixed: Pressing the Change button in the Event List Window could result in an access violation if an event was not a Note event.
Fixed: When running in Win 10, and using BBW or PT to generate audio harmonies, an error would occur saying that you need BB 2011 or PT 12 to generate audio harmonies.
Fixed: Midi Thru Method was not being saved to the .INI file. It always reverting to Track-Specific when booting up RealBand, even if the user manually changed the setting to Global in the Midi Thru Settings dialog.
Fixed: Delete All Notes on This Peg menu item in notation window right-click menu was missing.
Fixed: Potential crash on exit (having to do with the DLL attempting to free up a dynamic array that was passed to it).

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Build 512 Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows customers can download the latest free patch update here: www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#512

Summary of changes for Build 512 since 510 (Feb 15 2018):
Fixed: "Load SoundTrack Song" and "Load song with RealDrums Audio" buttons in the Sound Track dialog were not working.
Fixed: After returning Band-in-a-Box to factory settings the File Open dialog would default to the bb\Data\Lib directory.
Fixed: Choosing a custom chord sheet font would ignore any color choice made in the font selection dialog.
Fixed: Drum names were sometimes truncated in the RealDrums MultiDrums and Quicklist dialogs.
Fixed: Exporting a MIDI file might cause the error, "MIDIConv.exe no found".
Fixed: Mixer changes were not undoable, and would not cause user to be prompted to save their song when exiting.
Fixed: Static in RT2438 and other various RealTracks fixes.
Fixed: StylePicker database various updates. Some styles were displaying the wrong feel (swing/even) in notation. A few styles incorrectly showed missing Drums.
Fixed: The audio latency setting would increase every time leaving the Windows Audio Devices dialog.
Fixed: The Download Manager folder name defaulted to 2016 instead of 2018.
Updated: Help file.

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is Here!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is here! PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 includes many new features and enhancements:

Windows Audio (WASAPI) driver support. This allows for low latency audio recording/playback without requiring ASIO. Note that this supports 1 stereo input plus 1 stereo output at a time. For multiple inputs/outputs, you should continue to use either MME or ASIO.

ABC Notation format support. You can save a track of notation in a popular ASCII text format to import into other programs, or you can paste this format into a user forum as a way of sending the track (usually the melody and chord symbols) to other users without having to attach a file.

The built-in Audio Chord Wizard detection in the Chords window automatically detects the chords of the song, based on the audio data from all non-muted audio tracks. This works similar to the standalone Audio Chord Wizard, except that it uses the current bar lines of the existing song.

Notation Enhancements:
-X/8 time signature support. This is a special method of displaying 6/8, 9/8, or 12/8 time signatures in the Notation window.
-The Duplicate previous chord in notation right-click menu lets you quickly duplicate the previous chord (group of notes on same peg) without having to reenter it.
-Delete highlighted notes in notation right-click menu lets you delete all highlighted notes.
-Delete all notes on this peg in notation right-click menu lets you delete all notes on the nearest peg that was clicked on.
-You can now enter Section Numbers. Previously, you could enter letters (A-Z) only, but now you can also enter numbers (1-9).

...a full list of the new features in PowerTracks Pro Audio 2018 is available at http://www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.features.htm

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Xtra Styles PAKs were such a hit... we couldn't stop making them! Since their introduction, we've released 3 more PAKs with a total of over 600 Xtra Styles in all!

Want to hear what other program users are doing with their Xtra Styles? Visit our Xtra STyles Contests forum to hear all the songs submitted during previous song contest we've had: http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=102&page=1

Learn more about Xtra Styles PAKs and listen to their demos at http://www.pgmusic.com/xtrastyles.php?os=win.

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"Love Band-in-a-Box. As someone who played professionally for 20 years and retired from live performing years ago, I still love music. Band-in-a-Box allows me to create fun arrangements which I can sing over or play over. There are THOUSANDS of different variations plus you can enter any chords you like and create any chart. It's also great for creating background tracks for videos and audio content for websites, training etc. And like everything else in the world . . . it may not be right for everyone. For those who love music and don't have the time to shed five or six instruments it's way cool."
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"The premiere reason for me for buying this program; it has given me the freedom to fully complete the foundation for my songs without the confinement of limited minded musicians. After the song concept is complete, it can then be presented those musicians to play as a cover song. Also writing a song with a band gives them partial ownership of your idea... not cool... especially since they may have fought your idea every step of the way.. Every member of an organized band should own a copy of this program to compose or to even give legitimate composition alternatives to the original songwriter."
-Paul V.

Thanks everyone!

Support for ABC Notation Format in Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows!

ABC notation is the simple text-based notation system used by musicians worldwide to store chords, melody, and lyrics of songs. Now with Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows you can open and save songs in ABC notation format!

To save the song in ABC notation format, press the [Save As] toolbar button and choose Save as ABC notation file from the menu. Once opened, select a track that you want to save and choose your other criteria - The [Copy to clipboard] button will copy the file to the clipboard (that you can then paste it into other programs). The [Save as File] button will let you type a name and select the destination in your hard drive.

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If you tried to search for a popular song and this feature didn't offer you any listings, we'd love it if you'd let us know in our Wishlist forum here.

Posting your requests to this forum really does work - we used it to increase the database with the Band-in-a-Box® 2018 release!

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