Robh
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to a hareware effect. What are the options? Can a track like a guitar track be sent to an aux send and then on to a mixer to fire a effect, then out to the mix? Is sending all the other tracks out mono to the left side and the one track to the right side and thru the effect then summed at the mixer the best way?
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rharv
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This is best handled by a multiple input soundcard.
Otehrwise you will end up with a 'mono' sounding mix doing it as described, since you are essentially handling the mix as a single track and the effected track as a single track.
Can you send it out and record it back in on it's own track? That would likely be a better way...
Mute the other tracks, and play that track out thru the FX, then back in to get recorded.
You'll have to separate or otherwise control the volume of the incoming signal so it does not feed back around again ...
Unless you have a multiple channel soundcard, then it is much easier.
Send it out one of the other outputs and back in on the main inputs to be recorded.
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Robh
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What i am trying to do is to feed the audio output of a midi guitar track into a Harmonizer pedal, and until i can upgrade my sound card i will have to improvise. Right now i have a delta 24/96 card, and i am trying to think of a way to utilize the S/PDIF output for the harmonizer. I am thinking of buying a used Delta 44 then feed the harm unit with outputs 3/4 and the rest of the mix to 1/2.
I wonder if i could use the built in card for this purpose only a until then? hhhmmm I know there might be clock issues, but if all it did was feed the TC helicon unit i might get by for now.
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jim111
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Hi Rob,
You may want to research this to make sure, but I'm pretty sure you can lock two Delta cards together. If you look on the hardware page of your delta control panel, over on the right hand side you'll see a heading --select pci card--, under that your card listed. When you have two cards, I thank they both show up there. I'm not sure how it's done but I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere they can be locked together. If so, your ideas should work. What I would recommend tho, is finding some plugs that suit you. There's several out there--a lot of them free. What effects do you use most in the TC helicon?
Later
Jim
Edit: I should have read a little closer. lol . Let me change my question. Do you want to harmonize the guitar part, or use chord recognition to harmonize voice?
Jim
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If it is a MIDI guitar track -- is there no way to simply feed MIDI to your harmonizer?
Does your harmonizer have a Spudiff input on it?
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Robh
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Jim i bought a Harmony G for a pretty good price and i want to use it. Now i realize that the HG unit works off the guitar not midi, but i was trying to send the audio output of a midi guitar track to it to see how well that would work. Since i play the guitar i can just use the live guitar, but there are some songs i do not play a steady track, but noodle around a bit.
Mac it does not have SPDIF, and that is a small problem. I am looking at whether you can also use the built in card with RB, at the same time as the Delta card, like you can with some programs. I know that is problematic timing wise, but might be a short time solution. What i think i might do is pick up another Delta 24/96 card and have two stereo inputs. They are only $99 so not a huge deal. I wonder if i install another card will it take up another IRQ or will it share with the existing card? Does that cause more problems?
I also looked in to a SPDIF to RCA convertor, there are hints of them on the internet, but i could find nothing locally. They seem to run around $60 so for a little more i have two more inputs. Or buy a nice delta 44 and have 6 inputs.
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rharv
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Rob, I thought you had an external synth available..
send midi to that and let the synth send audio to the harmonizer
Jim
Delta cards sync the clock thru the spdif connection, one is master clock and the rest are 'single and in-sync'
It took me a while to figure out, since they also can use word clock, and I was trying to use that connection at first.
On the 1010lt's there is a way to shortcut connect (card to card) and leave the spdif available, but that is not for beginners.
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Mac
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You don't need multiple audio inputs, you need one more OUTput.
The internal soundcard idea might work out, RGB and PT can indeed address more than one soundcard at a time.
As long as the internal soundcard isn't sharing an IRQ with the M-Audio card, you have a chance there.
I would route the internal soundcard for use with the harmonizer, saving the AP for the stuff people actually hear, it likely being the better audio situation.
And you may have to experiment with how to output that signal, whether stereo or mono in RB and hookup arrangement (2 cable stereo or just he L channel perhaps as mono).
The idea of Spudiff to RCA analog converter is a darn good one, too, but I qwouod wait until I had exhausted the use of the internal sound card for that might just do the trick with no cash expenditure.
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Robh
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Mac, how would i get RB to see the other card, i can't find the setup for that. I have looked under audio and midi, but it only shows one card, the delta. I know the other card is intact cause it works for other things.
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Mac
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Try using Tracks View, Rightclick in the area below the trackname and peruse the popup there. You should see the ports for audio for any installed soundcards and you pick them there, by the track, not in the default Prefs section. This is how those of us who use multichannel soundcards have to route things also.
I used to use the Creative Live! card alongside the AP 2496 like that. at 48KHz for all, but you should be able to run the internal soundcard and the AP at 44.1 in this instance.
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Robh
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Thanks, i will giver her a try
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Find yourself an old Creative SB Live 5.1 Card. Don't use the creative drivers. DL the KX drivers and you'll have all kinds of fun. That's what I used to use but now I use a lappy with a Creative Audidgy 2 ZS Notebook also with KX. It gives me 4 pairs of WDM outputs. No messing with ASIO to get multiples. I use out 0,1 for the "band", out 4,5 for drums, and out 2,3 as the effects return. The input of the card audio from the AUX send of my HW mixer. Yes I use the Audidgy as an effects unit as well as the output device and recording device. Want to know more let me know. KX is not for the faint of heart though.
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Robh
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I am thinking if buying a delta 44 and that will give me 1/2 out on the 24/96 card and 1/2 nad 3/4 out on the 44. And i will still have the spdif outs. The Delta 44 are around $149 these days unless you find a used one. I hear the deltas link together real good, and that will save $149 worth the aggrevation. The creative idea could be cool as well. Or Spend $199 and get a delta 1010 and have four stereo or 8 mono outs and ins, plus the 24/96. hmmmm. I have a couple days before the G harmony comes in to figure it out.
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silvertones
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I had a Delta 1010. That's an awesome piece of gear.
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