I put a wishlist request in so when a user types in mMaj7 chord their browser will open up at this thread that they can read all through to work out how to get that chord.
I put a wishlist request in so when a user types in mMaj7 chord their browser will open up at this thread that they can read all through to work out how to get that chord.
Is this chord chart from a specific song you are trying to cover in BIAB?
Yes it is from a song called "Too Late Now". I'm not trying to cover it, but rather get it close to the organ part in a Wes Montgomery recording. I'm just aiming to use it for practice. You can hear the song if you follow this link:
I confirmed your assessment based on looking at the notation versus the chord chart. No surprizes here for me, especially since this falls into a Jazz category. The RT takes a lot of liberties. Many in this thread have acknowledged this.
If Andrew or any other PGMusic tech came right out at the beginning and said this, then I would have taken it for the answer and stopped pursuing this. But no one did. In fact Andrew gave what he considered to be the solution. I am discovering that his solution does not actually work. At least not for jazz RealTracks, which is the only thing I am interested in with BIAB.
I think I know what the problem is. If I'm correct there won't be a solution forthcoming any time soon. I have a bunch of questions that I am preparing wrt RealTracks, soon to be posted. Someone has to take the recordings the RealTrack artists make and categorize them. It's likely the artists themselves or a designated PGMusic employee. Whoever it is that is categorizing the recordings, needs to have a fantastic ear, or problems will arise. If the person miscategorizes chords, then we would arrive at a situation I am facing now. The RealTrack artists record hundreds of chords in all different genres. For genre 'X', Cm9 chords need to put in their correct 'bin'. The same goes for Am7b5 and D7#9 etc. etc. Because when a song is regenerated, chords need to be sounded for the chord that was typed in. For each chord there will likely be numerous takes, inversions etc. of the chord. But if someone has miscategorized chords, then they will not match the chord that was input by the user in the chord entry screen.
I confirmed your assessment based on looking at the notation versus the chord chart. No surprizes here for me, especially since this falls into a Jazz category. The RT takes a lot of liberties. Many in this thread have acknowledged this.
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How do you tell BIAB to play specific chords and not stray from them? Is there a setting in BIAB for this?
By the way, the answer to your question is NO. I do have my own personnal workaround for this. One way is to use the "Chord Track" to send to a VSTi which has more control over chord voicing and extra notes, as I indicated with the Toontrack sessions organ (but you have to be working in your DAW). Or I use Scaler which voices the chord exactly as I specify. Good luck.
In MultiPicker, I found a feature called "lauch stylepicker showing style with selecte......" when selecting Realtracks. However, this feature is not available in midi super? So I wonder why this is? Is this very difficult? If it's already designed, why not implement it all? It's like I designed a building with an elevator. But the elevator is only available on the first floor. Elevators are not allowed on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th floors. Isn't that strange?
I'm mainly looking for funk styles, honestly. There are a ton of good ones, except I feel like PG Music has a set definition of funk guitar that has to be a wah pedal. Almost anything without the same Funk Wah sound would do for me. I can certainly take a style that I like, such as _FUNKS16 and apply RT 4230: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm SoulFunk70sCool SW16 090 to the Guitar part. Perfect. However, how can I now Save As Favorite Style?
... This is what we mean when we say take a year off from adding 50+ new features and "fix BIAB as is". In other words, the so-called 50+ new features are all workflow/bug related.
Exactly. I certainly would rather see 50 improvements rather than another 50 new features while existing ones don't work properly.
Great original and quirky piece, to the point I'd say it was quirkier than a quirky thing on a very quirky day. Oddly - or quirkily - right after it began I visualising a quirky squirrel hopping from branch to branch and tree to tree in its quest find the quambrosia and quectar of the squirrel gods. To put it another way it was a really enjoyable and a fun listen. It would work brilliantly as a cartoon soundtrack.
Thanx for listening and commenting. I'm glad that it quirked your interest!
Hi, I am a new BIAB user but have some familiarity with it from a few years back. I currently have BIAB 2021 (that I am finally getting a chance to use regularly) and am currently using it to produce backing tracks based on midi files I have used to import chords from. I am using a midi controller to play along with the backing track for learning songs and then recording/videotaping myself. Being a huge Ellington fan, one of my favorite ballads is "Mood Indigo". I have a midi file of Mood Indigo that basically plays the piano chords melodically throughout the entire song. I have imported the chords into BIAB and have selected a Slow Jazz Ballad style to use as a backing track. What I would like to do next is to create a soloist track for piano and use it in maybe the 2nd or 3rd chorus of the song (I would just play the chords in the first), but I would like it to be closely based on the melody. That way I could learn it and play it as a solo myself in the 2nd or 3rd chorus and then record it. I have previously tried to generate a piano solo in BIAB using the "Select Soloist" feature, while selecting the "Around Melody" option in the "Solo Mode" section, but melodically, it is not what I want. Is there a more correct way of accomplishing this? Is there a hidden feature or setting I am missing that would help accomplish this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, demitch256
I *think I have them on a 1 TB external USB drive sitting beside me, but I didn't bother to check it. Glad to know I have sources to turn to if I can't find them some day. Or even more importantly, if Allanah needed a copy!
Just to clarify we are listening only to that Organ RT which has no notation right? I have the chords playing on Utility #1, but that is just my default. So I will mute those which by the way does have notation and is spot on.
Yes that is correct. I was just focusing on the Organ track. I had a midi bass track, but for some reason it wasn't playing on my system. I just added a Super Midi Bass track for our next go (see below).
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That specific organ RT sounds like a Hammond B3 with draw bars which intentionally add upper harmonies such as the 9th and 13th - it is just the nature of that beast. I have recently been playing a B3 and it is a marvel at what extra sounds are added based on setup of the draw bars.
Yes it's possible that could explain some of the extraneous notes.
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If I am correct, than if you substitute a Piano RT for the Organ you should see everything settle down in your chord notes. I know you want the Organ, but you may just have to settle. Or perhaps you could try new Toontrack B3, where you can edit the beejeebiz out of the instrument and eliminate the draw bars. Just a thought.
For the purpose of this exercise I have substituted a Piano RT for the organ as you suggested. You are correct I do want an organ sound (although it could be another organ RT) but for now I just want to hear the chords played properly, so the test continues. Piano 743 is what I am using now. Unfortunately it is actually worse than the organ! Here are the results: C > Cadd9 CMaj7 > OK now FMaj7 > F69 F > FMaj7 Fm > Fm9 Fm7 > Fm9 Abm > Abm9 EbMaj7 > EbMaj7 Eb6 EbMaj9 > EbMaj7 Eb6 Ebm9 > OK now Bbsus > Bb9sus Bb7sus > Bb9sus Ab7b9 > AbAdd9 Ab7#9 > Ab13 Cm6 > Cm9 Only two chords were corrected. Many stayed the same and a few more bad 'translations' occurred. Some real 'standouts' are: Ab7b9 > AbAdd9 Ab7#9 > Ab13 Cm6 > Cm9 Maybe PGMusic can add this as one of their 50 new features next go around? They could call them 'Real Standouts'. Here's the file: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1qdsqjqvyvsbo4sevzijw/Chords-NA-disabled-Piano-743-Super-Midi-Bass.SGU?rlkey=iihoef29276x8k05rahh4h056&dl=0
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